Worryingly
I was hacking away at some x86_64 assembler today
when I found myself obsessively indenting my code
by EXACTLY 4 spaces or (multiples thereof)
Who'd have thought it.
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What is the largest Python project you have experience of, you can use
any metric you want, a simple KLOC, function point or cost analysis will
be fine.
This is a genuine enquiry and not designed to 'diss' Python in any way.
Many thanks
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On 23/08/12 17:44, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/23/2012 04:19 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
Well we don't want to turn this into a language comparison thread do we,
that might upset too many people but I can't remember ever writing a
method that took an Object as argument, you just can'
On 23/08/12 14:59, Ben Finney wrote:
lipska the kat writes:
On 23/08/12 05:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I think that's uncalled for.
[…]
Excellent advice as usual, but I'm more than capable of looking after
myself thank you.
As is usual, it's not all about you; Ste
On 22/08/12 22:31, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/22/2012 02:45 PM, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 20:03, Evan Driscoll wrote:
Second, this concept isn't *so* unfamiliar to you. If I give you the
following Java code:
void foo(Object o) { ... }
looking at this method declaration I ca
On 23/08/12 05:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:19:49 +, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:43 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
Well I'm a beginner
Then maybe you should read more and write less.
I think that's uncalled for. Lipska isn't t
On 23/08/12 02:19, Walter Hurry wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:46:43 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
Well I'm a beginner
Then maybe you should read more and write less.
Really ? I read all the responses to my posts and learn more from them
in less time than I ever have from readin
On 22/08/12 20:03, Evan Driscoll wrote:
On 08/22/2012 12:46 PM, lipska the kat wrote:
If you can show me a 'type' that cannot be assigned to
a
in the same scope then I would be most interested to know, I haven't
found one yet.
[snip]
Second, this concept isn't *so* u
On 22/08/12 19:07, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 18:06, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 17:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 17:10, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Maybe
On 22/08/12 19:15, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, lipska the kat
wrote:
If, in a language, I find I am able to say
a = 1
[snip]
You're conflating "strong typing" with "static typing". Strong typing
does not refer to restrictions on what t
On 22/08/12 18:01, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 8/22/2012 10:59 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
There is no real enforced concept of information hiding, no binding of
type to variable in fact no concept of typing at all as far as I can
see.
Given that type(valid_name) always returns a type(class), that
On 22/08/12 17:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 22/08/2012 17:10, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Im very new to python and the object orientated feature doesnt seem
to be as well put together
On 22/08/12 16:58, MRAB wrote:
On 22/08/2012 15:59, lipska the kat wrote:
On 22/08/12 15:13, shaun wrote:
[snip]
Im very new to python and the object orientated feature doesnt seem
to be as well put together as Java. Can anyone help with this problem?
From one Java head to another I
pport
here and on the mailing list ... and it supports Unicode :-)
I like it, give it a chance and you will probably like it too.
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>>> int(x, 2)
30
>>>
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[
Surely the first check is your filing system to make sure that you've
paid the utilties bills so you've got gas and or electricity to apply
the heat. Either that or you hire Ray Mears to produce the spark needed
to light the fire :)
I was wondering how long it would be ...
lipsk
On 19/08/12 11:19, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM, lipska the kat
wrote:
The date stamp is different but the Python version is the same
Check out what 'sys.maxunicode' is in each of those Pythons. It's
possible that one is a wide build and the oth
u ~]$ python3.2
Python 3.2.3 (default, Jul 17 2012, 14:23:10)
[GCC 4.6.3] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> s = chr(0x + 1)
>>> a, b = s
>>> a
'\ud800'
>>> b
On 09/08/12 20:45, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 8/9/2012 1:39 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
socketserver.BaseRequestHandler
[snip
On 09/08/12 20:07, Peter Otten wrote:
lipska the kat wrote:
If there isn't how does one go about
contributing to the documentation.
http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/bugs.html
A similar link should be right there in the footer of the socketserver
documentation.
It is indeed, than
On 09/08/12 19:55, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 09/08/2012 19:37, lipska the kat wrote:
On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
socketserver.BaseRequestHandler
So far as I can tell, all RequestHandler
On 09/08/12 18:39, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:15:33 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
in the examples in this chapter we see usage examples for
socketserver.BaseRequestHandler
So far as I can tell, all RequestHandler
the case and anyway, how many other
potentially useful classes are lurking undocumented in the library
This is NOT intended as a criticism but it is frustrating.
many thanks
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On 09/08/12 03:59, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:31:57 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
[snip]
If a "node" is a father or mother, and it takes one of each to
produce a "leaf", your "tree&qu
On 08/08/12 17:42, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:51:45 +0100, lipska the kat
declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
The point I'm obviously struggling to make is that words convey concepts
The word Person conveys a whole lifetime of experience of Peopl
On 08/08/12 14:50, S.B wrote:
On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 3:48:43 PM UTC+3, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 14:32, S.B wrote:
[snip]
Thank you so much !
The examples are very helpful.
What happens if I have a regular text file I want to send via the network.
Do I need to read the file
nstructive comments but I will be working on this
more to help me understand exactly what is going on
http://pastebin.com/iFzK7fuk SpaceTravellers.py
http://pastebin.com/TdqPwMGi NetworkPickler.py
http://pastebin.com/DF5DtYRZ NetworkUnpickler.py
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On 07/08/12 22:57, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:00 AM, lipska the kat wrote:
I'm still undecided over the whole 'User' thing actually,
[snip]
This makes little sense to my mind. If you can have a "class User:",
why can you not have a "clas
On 07/08/12 16:04, rusi wrote:
On Aug 7, 7:34 pm, lipska the kat wrote:
Never thought so for a moment, good to know you can be reasonable as
well as misguided ;-)
Well Lipska I must say that I find something resonant about the 'no-
person' thing, though I am not sure what.
You
On 07/08/12 15:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:19:31 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
But what *really* gets me is not the existence of poor terminology. I
couldn't care less what terminology Java programmers use a
On 07/08/12 14:12, Ben Finney wrote:
lipska the kat writes:
The ONLY concept that you should never try to encapsulate is/are
human beings or their aliases.
You stated this in absolute, dogmatic terms. I thought at first you were
being hyperbolic for effect, but the situation that you
On 07/08/12 12:21, S.B wrote:
Can anyone provide a simple code example of the client and server sides?
Working on it
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On 07/08/12 10:44, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:23:19 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 13:19, rusi wrote:
I suggest this
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.in/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-
nouns.html
http://bpfurtado.livejournal.com/2006/10/21/
Unfortunatel
On 07/08/12 06:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:55:24 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
[snip]
The clue is in the name 'Object Oriented' ... anything e
On 07/08/12 06:35, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:24:10 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
er, the point I was trying to make is that when you say 'interface' it
could mean so many things. If you say 'facade' everyone knows exactly
what you are talking about
On 06/08/12 13:19, rusi wrote:
On Aug 6, 12:46 am, lipska the kat wrote:
On 04/08/12 16:49, Jean Dubois wrote:
I'm looking for a good introduction to object oriented programming
with Python.
snip
I suggest this
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.in/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns
On 06/08/12 13:19, rusi wrote:
On Aug 6, 12:46 am, lipska the kat wrote:
On 04/08/12 16:49, Jean Dubois wrote:
I'm looking for a good introduction to object oriented programming
with Python.
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our
On 06/08/12 09:55, lipska the kat wrote:
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
snip
Well as you seem to be so concerned with terminology I'd have to
disagree with you here. An interface (in computing) has any
On 06/08/12 01:22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:46:23 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
Object Oriented programming is a mindset, a way of looking at that
particular part of our world that you are trying to encapsulate in
computer language. The language you use is (shou
ere you will gain enlightenment.
It does take a bit of application though.
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t piece of documentation in the entire software project
jeez
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ould be able to implement the patterns in Python
although I must admit I haven't tried that yet
Learn Python by all means, the interactive mode is particularly fun,just
try and get a good idea of what OO is all about before you start.
Just my opinion
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On 04/08/12 00:29, Cousin Stanley wrote:
lipska the kat wrote:
I can now create, debug and test a simple IRC server
written in Java and an IRC Bot that I am attempting
to build in Python
For a bit of inspiration python-irc-bot-wise
you might look at supybot
Yep, it&#
On 03/08/12 17:40, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:51:26 +0100, lipska the kat wrote:
I can write a
Python class and call it Foo and save it in a file called Bar and it's
no big deal (at least Eclipse doesn't get excited) If I try that in Java
the sky falls in
On 03/08/12 14:54, rusi wrote:
On Aug 3, 4:34 pm, lipska the kat wrote:
A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for
python, well I just downloaded and installed the latest version of
Eclipse for Java (Juno) followed by the Python plugin.
Thanks Lipska for reporting
On 03/08/12 13:40, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 13:23, lipska the kat wrote:
On 03/08/12 13:10, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 12:34, lipska the kat wrote:
A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for
python,
snip
it's like trying to
run a le
On 03/08/12 13:10, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 03/08/2012 12:34, lipska the kat wrote:
A while ago someone asked me what I thought of the Eclipse plugin for
python,
snip
My opinion of Eclipse is unchanged by your words, it's like trying to
run a legless carthorse in the Grand National o
mple IRC server written in Java
and an IRC Bot that I am attempting to build in Python side by side in
the same IDE simply by switching profiles (click one button). Astonishing.
You might like to try it
Just FYI so please don't tell me off (again).
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On 01/08/12 09:06, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 01/08/2012 00:31, David wrote:
On 01/08/2012, lipska the kat wrote:
On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote:
[1] as in beer
[2] for research purposes
There's one (as in 1 above) in the pump for you.
Great, more beer => better research => \o
On 31/07/12 14:52, David wrote:
On 30/07/2012, lipska the kat wrote:
On 30/07/12 14:06, Roy Smith wrote:
These days, I'm working on a fairly large web application (songza.com).
"We are very sorry to say that due to licensing constraints we cannot
allow access to Songza for
time
writing.
snip
"We are very sorry to say that due to licensing constraints we cannot
allow access to Songza for listeners located outside of the United States."
Arse :-(
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to say
it's growing on me.
The questions I have are ...
How is python used in the real world.
What sized projects are people involved with
Are applications generally written entirely in python or is it more
often used for a subset of functionality.
I hope this is an acceptable question
On 24/07/12 06:13, rusi wrote:
On Jul 22, 10:23 pm, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Heh heh, Nothing to do with Eclipse, just another thing to get my head
around. For work and Java IMHO you can't beat eclipse...
at the moment I'm getting my head around git,
Bumped into this yesterday. Se
On 23/07/12 12:16, David wrote:
On 23/07/2012, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Hello again pythoners
[snip]
> Any help much appreciated.
Hi Lipska
Glad you got it sorted.
In case you are not aware of this:
Tutor maillist - tu...@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tu
On 23/07/12 11:22, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
The PYTHONPATH ev is set to /home/lipska/python/dev/mods:.
in .bashrc
Did you export it? Show us your .bashrc, or the relevant line in it
exactly. (And make sure that it isn't defined mul
On 23/07/12 11:19, Dave Angel wrote:
On 07/23/2012 06:02 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Hello again pythoners
snip
That line isn't the way you showed it in the source. You showed us
source as fibo.fib(1000), and the error message shows it as fib(1000)
So you're either cutting&
script (or the current directory).
PYTHONPATH (a list of directory names, with the same syntax as the
shell variable PATH).
But apparently the additional locations I specify in .bashrc are not
being added to sys.path
I also have an empty file __init__.py in the mods directory
Not sure
On 22/07/12 17:18, rusi wrote:
On Jul 22, 2:20 pm, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Well I have to say that I've used Eclipse with the myEclipse plugin for
a number of years now and although it has it's moments it has earned me
LOADS of MONEY so I can't really criticise it.
Ive probab
://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/index.htm
that looks like it could be worth reading
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On 22/07/12 11:17, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/22/2012 3:37 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Many in
the Linux world seem to use git.
snip
Use source control now; you'll reap the benefits later!
from sudo apt-get install git to git add
x27;old fashioned way' again.
I'm going to do 'proper OO' version of the shell script to learn about
wiring different modules together ... I find the official documentation
hard to navigate though.
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On 21/07/12 21:10, Dave Angel wrote:
On 07/21/2012 03:08 PM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Greetings Pythoners
A short while back I posted a message that described a task I had set
myself. I wanted to implement the following bash shell script in Python
snip
A totally off-the-wall query. Are
lineCount = inCount
except IndexError:
#just catch the error and continue
None
for c in range(lineCount):
t=l[c]
print(t[0], t[1], sep='\t', end='')
Thanks
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On 19/07/12 07:09, rusi wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:34 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:40:00 +0100, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Object Oriented programming is all about encapsulating human concepts in
a way that makes sense to human beings. Make no mistake, it is NEVER the
case t
On 18/07/12 16:32, Ethan Furman wrote:
Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 18/07/12 14:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Even with a break, why bother continuing through the body of the
function
when you already have the result? When your calculation is done, it's
done, just return for goodness
On 18/07/12 16:09, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Lipska the Kat
wrote:
hmm, I've been using tabs ...
snip
We must meet half way, you know.
Seems reasonable to me, I'll let you suggest it ;-)
As to tab vs spaces: I'm a fan of tabs, mysel
On 18/07/12 15:34, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2012-07-17, Lipska the Kat wrote:
and what's this obsession with 'correct' indentation of code ???
If you can explain to us Java's obsession with 'correct' placemnt of
curly-braces, then you've explained inden
footprint then there is a case for conciseness over readability but even
then it has to be maintainable
Python looks like an interesting language and I will certainly spend
time getting to know it but at the moment it seems to me that calling it
an Object Oriented language is just plain m
On 18/07/12 01:46, Andrew Cooper wrote:
On 17/07/2012 19:36, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 19:18, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 18:29, Ethan Furman wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
snip
Take for example a Linux system call handler. The
On 17/07/12 20:39, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 20:29, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 18:07, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
snip
How easy was it to write max, or a universal sort in Java?
Well java.lang.Math.max() (or min() depending on what you
On 17/07/12 18:07, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Well 'type-bondage' is a strange way of thinking about compile time type
checking and making code easier to read (and therefor debug
snip
How easy was it to write max, or a universal sort in J
On 17/07/12 19:18, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 18:29, Ethan Furman wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 10:23 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Well 'type-bondage' is a strange way of thinking about compile time
type
checking and making code easier to read (and therefor deb
On 17/07/12 18:24, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 7/17/2012 8:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 09:45, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Pythoners
Python 2.7.3
Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS
I've been taking a brief look at Python.
snip
>>
Well I've set myself a task.
I have a text file cont
On 17/07/12 17:26, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 17/07/2012 15:23, Lipska the Kat wrote:
On 17/07/12 14:52, Roy Smith wrote:
snip
Still, I'm sure you're only kidding around with me :-)
Kidding around on a Python mailing list, never, how dare you Sir, simply
wouldn't be cricket :
On 17/07/12 15:16, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 9:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Wow, that was a blast from the past
Just downloaded, unzipped, untarred, configured, made and installed
python 3.2.3 ... it's YEARS since I've done this, makes me feel young again.
Most Linux distributi
On 17/07/12 14:52, Roy Smith wrote:
In article<-8sdnvrxgqie25jnnz2dnuvz7qkdn...@bt.com>,
Lipska the Kat wrote:
I'm not used to using variables without declaring their type
If you truly wanted to recreate this type-bondage style of programming
in Python, it's easy enou
On 17/07/12 12:37, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 6:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
snip
On a side note, I would highly recommend learning Python 3 (3.2 is the
latest stable version) unless you have an explicit need for Python 2
(some major 3rd-party libraries have not been ported yet). Python
On 17/07/12 09:45, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Pythoners
Python 2.7.3
Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS
I've been taking a brief look at Python.
snip
Well I've set myself a task.
I have a text file containing a list of stock items
each line contains the number in stock followed by a tab follo
On 17/07/12 12:37, Andrew Berg wrote:
On 7/17/2012 6:01 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Anyway, I'm looking at Python as a rapid prototyping language.
snip
"Pythonic" is (or at least should be) a word you encounter frequently in
discussions of Python code. Learn what is consider
On 17/07/12 11:03, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Lipska the Kat wrote:
Is Python truly OO or is it just one way to use the language. I see some
documentation relating to classes but nothing on instantiation .. in fact
the documentation appears to say that classes are
On 17/07/12 10:30, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
Welcome!
Am 17.07.2012 10:45, schrieb Lipska the Kat:
I was expecting (hoping) to see in depth documentation relating to Class
construction, extension mechanisms and runtime polymorphism.
In addition to this forum for direct help and discussion, two
ced.
Is there a previous discussion in the group that I could read.
Many thanks
Lipska
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