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only way to get rid of trolls is to ignore them.
Let the barrage of posts continue for a few more days; if he doesn't get
replies he will get fed up eventually.
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array and check that the colour
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: > Either way, the assumption that your system will not be handled by
: > idiots is only reasonable if you yourself is the only user.
:
: Nonsense. How do y
timates the
: intelligence of lay people and over-estimates the difficulty of
: understanding recursion.
Could we then say that «recursion is a technical word that should
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: > Now Mac OS X has maintained the folder concept of older mac generations,
: > and Windows has cloned it. They do not want the user to understand
: > recursive data structures, and
methods do not help on that step. It takes
more than a non-idiot to avoid misunderstandings on the interface
betweeen professions.
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Obviously, if you were implying
that no system passes the lower levels, then of course they won't pass
the higher levels, but then, if that's the case, we would all know that
we cannot even design /seemingly/ secure systems. And nobody has
suggested that so far.
¹ e.g. Dieter Gollmann
out what it takes to do it, before spend the resources
barking up the wrong tree. For each successful attack, there probably
is a number of failed ones.
Thanks for the reference.
BTW. That's not the only attack on MIFARE. I cannot remember the
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: operations, a single parent pointer may not be sufficient.
Que? What tree operations do you have in mind? We have covered
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: > But then, nothing is secure in any absolute sense.
:
: If you're talking security and not philosophy, there is such a thing
: as a secure system. As a devel
times the
node is visited.
This node requires no stack. The only state space is constant,
regardless of the size of the tree, requiring just the two pointers
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and thereby provides some level of security.
Obviously, if your threat sources are dedicated hackers or maybe MI5,
there is no point bothering with obfuscation, but if your threat source
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ing the top floor,
and still much less than the concrete engineer.
And the main difference here, is that the civil engineers have a much
better language to share information. The best programmers have is
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: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT), alex23
: >wrote:
: > : On May 12, 7:24 am, harrismh777 wrote:
: > : > We need to move away from 'canned apps' to a new day whe
typewriters and entertainment theatres does in no way reduce the
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Only very narrow-purpose applications can be created by one of
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: > Hans Georg Schaathun wrote:
: >>If both are numbers, they are converted to a common type. Otherwise,
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: > Revolutionary indeed, so why don't we exploit the revolution
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:
: Where do you draw the line, though?
I said that, "as poss
On 11 May 2011 21:47:27 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
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: > One principle of object oriented programming is to bestow the objects
: > with properties reflecting known properties from the domain being
: > modelled. Lis
stitute functional/logical/whatever for imperative.
You would not be completely clueless moving to
ada/fortran/C/pascal/simula. There may be new concepts,
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That's fair enough. You know your code, so it is probably true.
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: I may not have made the point well, but I cannot see any advantage
: for trying to program for the lowest common denominator.
Common to what? I'd try the lowest common denominator of
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That depends on the purpose of that particular paper, but the real
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without specialising in talking to the computer.
: This discussion is giving me some insight into some of the crap
: programming I see these days.
I wonder if you would do a better job at programming the software
to crack equations from quantum physics th
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What could elif mean other than else: if?
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The audience I am concerned about is the ones who are over-educated
into using and having used a score of different meanings of the same
symbols. They will be used to their intuition being wrong when they
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oping ideas in a large
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is not an option, because half the community do not normally use that
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of an arbitrary object as a boolean
is peculiar for python. An empty list is a real, existing object, and
the supposition that [] be false is counter-intuitive. It can be
learnt, and the shorthand may be powerful when it is, but it will
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haskell or ada)?
I think there are too many meanings and too few words ...
That's why some languages support overloading.
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the information could be passed through the return value instead.
Exceptions is a very flexible, but also rather expensive means of
communications. You can, actually, write any program using raise
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Analogies, even imperfect ones, are good when we are clear about the
fact that they are analogies. Using C pointers to illustrate how to
use bound names in python may be useful, but only if we are clear about
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7;t perfect, is that it creates the illusion
that references are boxes (objects) just like data objects, leading
the reader to think that we could have a reference to a reference.
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You cannot reference nor manipulate a
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:
: A value is memory (not an address).
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the better result, but
relying on human input when the work can be automated is ridiculously
expensive.
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function.
Well, call-by-name is not the same as transmission by name either.
Transmission by name is what most posters here call call by
reference, and transmission by reference is what this thread calls
object sharing or call by object.
No wonder I started off confused :-) It is better now.
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As long as one is aware that this is just an example, one approach out
of many, then it enhances understanding. If one blindly extrapolates
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: > In C it is pass by value, as the pointer
: > is explicit and do whatever you want with the pointer value.
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: You clearly are not a C programmer.
I am not really a programmer period. I am many
lid for that one
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inking in this model for years. Maybe
: I'm brainwashed. :)
You are. You explain Python in terms of C. That's useful when you
talk to other speakers of C.
If you want to explain the language to a broader audience, you should
use terminology from the language's own level of abst
sharing in Wikipedia. What Wikipedia
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n different ways.
Whether you use C or Simula, transmission by reference, that is what
python appears to be doing, seems to be the normal approach for any
composite data type. Thus python does not seem to do anything out of
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t my hand around exactly what this means:
Simula has three ways of transmitting arguments, namely transmission
by name, by value, and by reference. Is transmission by name the same
as call by object? Anyway, I have never seen anyone counting more than
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language for you.
It isn't the trade-off per se which bothers me, but certain features
which seem to make compilation harder without making development any
easier.
But then, it probably depeds on what kind of development you are doing.
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t it is not an issue. Sometimes it isn't,
but sometimes it is.
The other arguments are valid. And they make me lean more towards
more static, compiled languages without the excessive run-time
dynamism of python.
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