On Friday, 1 May 2015 13:34:41 UTC+1, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
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> > So... I don't know how to fix this, but I do now know why it fails, and I
> > have a satisfactory answer for why it is acting differently on the Linux
> > server (and that is just
or some reason or other. I think the hoops we need to jump
through to ensure that the dumping and loading environments match up are too
high relative to the cost of switching to JSON or similar, especially if we
might need to load the data from something other than Python in future (god
forbid).
On Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:45:05 UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Ben Sizer wrote:
> > 1) There clearly is a module named OMDBMap, and it's importable - it's
> > there in the 2nd line of the traceback.
> >
> > Does anybody
whichever way you look at
it), or there's something wrong with the Linux configuration that means it
somehow cannot find this module (despite it already having found it to get this
far).
Does anybody have any suggestions on how I can go about debugging this? Or
refactoring it to avoid whatever is happening here?
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On Thursday, 7 March 2013 00:07:02 UTC, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:56:09 -0800, Ben Sizer wrote:
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> > I need to be able to perform complex operations on the object that may
> > modify several properties, and then gather the properties at the end as
objects and probably expensive to
calculate the differences that way too. Performance is important so I would
probably just go for an explicit function call to mark an attribute as having
been modified rather than trying to do a diff like that. (It wouldn't work for
rollbacks, but I can a
ts: eg. if one of the attributes is a list and I append to
it, this system won't notice. Is that something I can rectify easily?
Any other comments or suggestions?
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On Jul 13, 7:29 am, cjrh wrote:
> You can just extract the windows pypy 1.5 distribution to any folder and run
> "pypy.exe" from there as if it was called "python.exe". This is how I have
> been using it. In fact, pypy has been the default python for my portable
> eclipse for a good while now
asy enough, but what about getting setuptools and
easy_setup working to install various packages for it? Is there a
virtualenv-based method I can use here? (And is pip a decent
replacement for setuptools on Windows yet?)
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HTML namespace'. Therefore I don't see how the
example Python code given could work on a proper xhtml file, given
that there should always be a namespace in effect but the code doesn't
allow for it.
That's my excuse anyway! :)
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On Jul 3, 11:12 pm, Ben Sizer wrote:
> >>> for el in root.getiterator():
>
> ... print el
> [much output snipped]
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml}a at d871e8>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml}a at d87288>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml}script at d87300>
ript tags to be found, considering
iterating over the whole lot found at least 2 at the end there.
What am I doing wrong?
>>> import sys
>>> print sys.version
2.6.4 (r264:75708, Oct 26 2009, 08:23:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
I will upgrade to 2.6.5 ASAP, but I don't see
so simple for beginners. So, whether it is or has been
> planned the core Python implementation of *scanf()* ? (prefered as a
> batteries included method)
Perhaps struct.unpack is close to what you need? Admittedly that
doesn't read from a file, but that might not be a problem in mo
On Jan 14, 4:37 pm, Ivan Illarionov wrote:
> On Jan 14, 1:49 pm, Ben Sizer wrote:
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> > No, I don't want to do anything with sys.path apart from see it. I
> > just wanted my original question answered, not a guess at my intent
> > and a solution for something I&#
ally do, though.
I also wonder if this is something specific to the sys module, since
it's already been shown that there are some specific C API functions
for it. I will try with other modules and see if they exhibit the same
symptoms.
And I'm still wondering about the sys.path[0] q
On Jan 14, 1:55 am, Ivan Illarionov wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > What am I doing wrong?
>
> What are you trying to achieve?
> If you want to modify sys.path I suggest using Python/C API directly:
No, I don't want to do anything with sys.path apart from see it. I
ies Python looks into for modules and source
files:
2
Python error: Unhandled Python exception from script.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 13, in
File "", line 7, in debug_path_info
NameError: global name 'sys' is not defined
[12532 refs]
(Incidentally, the Stackless references are because I was originally
trying to embed Stackless, but I reverted to vanilla 2.5 to see if it
was a Stackless specific issue, which it appears not.)
Another interesting thing is that sys.path[0] doesn't appear to be the
current working directory, despite several sources online suggesting
it should be.
What am I doing wrong?
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oesn't exist. I've
not tried to run the example, but it certainly confused me when trying
to work out how Circuits works.
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27;s crashed. It just means it's not servicing the message pump.
Chances are high that the program is still running just as normal.
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On Jul 23, 1:19 pm, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > You should put the extern block around the #include call
> > rather than individual functions, as surely the C calling convention
> > should apply to everything within.
>
> Hel
're not using managed code in your app,
disable it in the project/build options. If you are, then perhaps you
just need to specify that you're not with this DLL, though I've never
had to deal with anything like that myself.
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look on this collection helps
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules
Yeah, I saw that. I hoped some people might have some more, but
perhaps not.
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On Jul 16, 3:31 pm, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > make my development a lot easier.
>
> Knowing what kind of development you do might help, of course. Some
> libraries are excellent in some contexts and suck badly in others...
Sure. Mostl
lopment a lot easier. Any
suggestions?
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he locale, but I am not sure.)
Often it's best to specify why you want to do something, as when using
a new language there is often a better way to achieve what you want
than the first way that occurs to you.
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ow how easy it is to reflect them onto a second database.
I'd just like some advice and pointers from anybody who's tried
something similar to this or who knows the packages well enough to
point me in the right direction.
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On Aug 10, 5:13 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/10/07, Ben Sizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On 10 Aug, 15:38, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Last I checked, multiple processes can run concurrently
be a large degree of waiting for the other processes to respond,
and you have to develop the protocols to communicate. Apart from
convenient serialisation, Python doesn't exactly make IPC easy, unlike
Java's RMI for example.
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or them and
delete them? It seems like there are several different copy functions
in the module and it's not clear what each of them do. What's the
difference between copy, copyfile, and copy2? Why do the docs imply
that they overwrite existing files when copytree skips existing
files?
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On 20 Jun, 11:40, Justin Ezequiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Jun 20, 5:30 pm, Ben Sizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I need to copy directories from one place to another, but it needs to
> > overwrite individual files and directories rather than just exi
ooking for?
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On 30 May, 16:20, Ben Sizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 30 May, 15:42, Frank Millman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On May 30, 4:15 pm,BenSizer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > I've been looking for a Windows version of a library to interf
On 30 May, 15:42, Frank Millman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 30, 4:15 pm, Ben Sizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I've been looking for a Windows version of a library to interface to
> > PostgreSQL, but can only find ones compiled under Python versio
I've been looking for a Windows version of a library to interface to
PostgreSQL, but can only find ones compiled under Python version 2.4.
Is there a 2.5 build out there?
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On Feb 10, 8:42 am, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hendrik van Rooyen wrote:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> Ben> Python extensions written in C require recompilation f
On Feb 10, 6:31 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:39?am, "Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Hopefully in the future, some of those convoluted steps will be fixed,
> > but that requires someone putting in
ructure of complex types across
the boundary. The same may well go for the multitude of macros that
make assumptions about the structure of a PyObject.
It's not really much to do with the maturity, since functions don't
seem to be getting regularly removed from the API. It's m
ns when you upgrade the
application.
Winamp is one application that comes to mind which has kept plugins
working across many upgrades. I doubt they're still compiling with
Visual Studio 6. Perhaps it works because they have a more restrictive
API that isn't passing non-primitive types
On Feb 9, 1:48 pm, "siggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> @Ben Sizer
Lucky I spotted this...
> As a Python (and programming ) newbie allow me a - certainly naive -
> question:
>
> What is this time consuming part of recompiling an extension, such as
> Pygame, fr
On Feb 6, 3:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
> Ben Sizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >It would be great if someone could invest some time in trying to fix
> >this problem. I don't think I know of any other languages that require
> >recompilation o
binary API between extensions and Python changes every
couple of years or so. That's why I run 2.4 anywhere that needs
extensions.
It would be great if someone could invest some time in trying to fix
this problem. I don't think I know of any other languages that require
recompila
iciencies
in certain areas when compared with other languages.
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nd out precisely what form the API takes.
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Python has taken note that there's a
new use of that object - your C code. It means it won't delete that
object, even if no more Python code refers to it, because it knows your
C code holds a reference to it. Therefore, when your C code no longer
needs to access the object, you call Py_DECREF.
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ding problem with Python really,
requiring extensions to always be recompiled for newer versions. I
usually have to wait about 6 months to a year after any new release
before I can actually install it, due to the extension lag.
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's my output, with Python 2.5 built in debug mode on WinXP, no
modifications:
[7438 refs]
[7499 refs]
[7550 refs]
[7601 refs]
[7652 refs]
Is this normal? It doesn't look very promising to me.
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going for
now. Are there any glaring errors I've made (apart from perhaps
assuming sizeof(pointer) <= sizeof(long), that is)? And is there
anywhere else more appropriate that I should be asking this question,
given the lack of responses to this and my other embedding topic so
far?
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the method.
(Google doesn't find any instance of "PyCFunction_Call" on
docs.python.org. This might explain the Cookbook's comment that "one
hardly ever sees Python class objects built in C extensions"!)
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hon class for this (as in
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/54352)?
I'm not interested in wrapping whole C++ objects at this stage, and
libraries like Boost::Python aren't currently an option. I just need a
few pointers on doing it the low-level way for now.
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Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> Ben Sizer schrieb:
> > Firstly, that solution only works for actual Python scripts; it doesn't
> > solve the utility scripts that are often installed to the /scripts
> > directory.
>
> Those packages should install .bat files into /scrip
Chris Lambacher wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 09:08:41AM -0800, Ben Sizer wrote:
> > Chris Lambacher wrote:
> > > The python part of the 'python setup.py install' idiom needs to be
> > > omitted on
> > > Windows, but that does not mean that
Chris Lambacher wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:55:09PM -0800, Ben Sizer wrote:
> > Yet many scripts and applications require parameters, or to be executed
> > from a certain directory. For example, setup.py. Or the various
> > turbogears scripts. Or easy_install.
>
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> At Saturday 30/12/2006 21:55, Ben Sizer wrote:
>
> >python setup.py install
> >
> >On Unix, you'd run this command from a shell prompt; on Windows, you
> >have to open a command prompt window (``DOS box'') and do it there;
lem with Windows users being forced to jump through unnecessary
hoops that Unix and MacOS users don't have to endure. And I think the
default should be to edit the PATH and allow you to explicitly disallow
this: changing from the current behaviour is the right thing to do
because the curren
robert wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > My opinion is that this is not as big a problem as some may feel that
> > it is. Unlike Unix systems, the PATH variable is rarely used.
>
> It is a big problem.
>
> It is not less than the majority of Python users (at least those who
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> Ben Sizer schrieb:
> > I've installed several different versions of Python across several
> > different versions of MS Windows, and not a single time was the Python
> > directory or the Scripts subdirectory added to the PATH environment
> >
Ross Ridge wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > I've installed several different versions of Python across several
> > different versions of MS Windows, and not a single time was the Python
> > directory or the Scripts subdirectory added to the PATH environment
> >
n", it won't do anything on a plain Python
install on Windows. Try it on Linux, and probably Mac too, and it'll do
something useful.
Similarly, if you install a Python package that adds to the scripts
directory, you can typically expect to run those scripts from the
command line witho
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Gabriel Genellina wrote:
> At Friday 20/10/2006 12:20, Ben Sizer wrote:
>
> >I'd like to be able to drag a file onto a Python script in Windows
> >Explorer, or send that file to the script via the Send To context-menu
> >option, so I can then process that file via sys.
e."
defines.py is in the same directory as the batch file, but cannot be
executed like this. Double-clicking on it works, as expected.
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p it in a batch file, but encounter a problem, where
that batch file is able to execute the Python file if I double-click
the batch file, but if I drag a file onto it it says it can no longer
find the Python script.
Are there any simple and workable solutions for this sort of thing?
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> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I'm a compiler newbie and was curious if Python's language/grammar
> > > can be handled by a recursive descent parser.
> >
> > I believe a recursive descent parser can ha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm a compiler newbie and was curious if Python's language/grammar
> can be handled by a recursive descent parser.
I believe a recursive descent parser can handle any grammar; it just
depends on how pure you want it to be.
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y implies failure of a previous explicit
condition, yet in this case, it's executed by default, when the
previous clause was successfully executed. It would seem more natural
if the else clause was triggered by 'bar' being empty, or even if the
loop was explicitly broken out of, thoug
Steve Holden wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > A simple question - can anybody give a short example of how these work
> > and what they are good for? I've read PEP 342 and the associated bit in
> > the What's New section and it's still all Greek to me. The latte
o it doesn't
aid the understanding too much.
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the Python community, I'm happy to
> announce the FINAL release of Python 2.5.
Any chance the docs links could be fixed?
The link on the front page still goes to 2.4.3 on docs.python.org, and
the link from /download/releases/2.5/ goes to 2.6a0.
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Bryan Olson wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > It's not a crackpot theory. It's a completely reasonable theory. SQL is
> > based on relational algebra, which provides a mathematical set of
> > operators for grouping data that is stored in separate sets. That data
> >
Michele Simionato wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> > I agree that the Python docs aren't quite as effective as reference
> > material due to the lack of simple function and method lists though.
>
> http://docs.python.org/lib/modindex.html, pydoc and ipython are more
> tha
ily on inheritance like Java does.
Instead, it is used in just a few places, more like the C++ standard
library than the Java library.
I agree that the Python docs aren't quite as effective as reference
material due to the lack of simple function and method lists though. I
don't kno
ke much to say that the module
implements a subset of SQL but stores ignores data types.
> What are the chances that anything I send in as a bug report
> will simply be ignored? Kind of like the Emporer's New Clothes, eh?
> It would be an admission of ignorance and stupidity on the pa
nnections.
It may also be that it implements part of its own TCP/IP stack, and
accessing the ethernet card directly, but I don't know how practical
that is for you. Ethereal and nmap appear to do this; you might want to
browse their open source code, and/or ask on their mailing lists or
foru
sn't
appearing for some reason. I've had that myself sometimes.
There is an unofficial OS-level patch for this behaviour at this
address: http://www.lvllord.de/?lang=en&url=downloads
No idea if it works or if it's safe, but many people use it.
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her applications, you have a separate download. With
sqlite, you don't, on Windows at least. Surely all the 'included
batteries' should have local documentation, especially with the type
conversions.
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which you can
make connections at the OS level; this will show up as event 4226 in
the Event Viewer if it affects you.
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oogle search.
I think you're very mistaken... it's a little over-complex, but
everything you need is up there, on the installation and download
pages, and the only other .dlls you need are the OpenGL ones which the
original poster will already have.
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I think you still
need to get it into .wav format first, though this can apparently be in
memory rather than on disk.
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<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/resources/qanda/nov04/hey1103.mspx>
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ainly not in just 12 or 13 months. The PEP does suggest that it
isn't likely to be around any time before 2008 at the earliest.
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d? It might be as simple as this:
# sample data
table = [
("item1", 10, 100),
("item 2", 15, 300)
]
out = file("my.csv", "w+")
for row in table:
out.write(",".join(str(item) for item in row) + "\n")
And my.csv will look like:
item1,10,100
item 2,15,300
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t of those
> reallocations take place while the vector is still proportionally
> quite small.
Math.log(4, 2) is not a small number when talking about a
relatively expensive operation such as memory allocation and
deallocation. And the superfluous copying amounts to probably an extra
2^1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > > When I put the content of the run and input functions in the main
> > > thread, it's working, why not in the thread?
> >
> > Because event handling needs to be done
ule, try to keep all your PyGame functions in the main
thread and push your other processing into background threads, if you
really need them.
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erved to be the 'next' anything anyway. It was
sold on hype and has never lived up to it. I can see your point from a
business perspective but I like to think Python is sold on its merits
and not on being the new panacea for middle managers to deploy.
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t such laws there would be little incentive to create any such
works that were non-trivial. No-one is going to pay you up front for
it, so you need a way of protecting future potential income. Since that
future income is typically strongly linked to the quality of your work,
it's arguable that this is in fact a fairer business model than being
paid a normal salary.
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:18:12 -0700, Ben Sizer wrote:
>
> > Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
> > that did something quite innovative,
>
> And imagine that you found a money-tree in your back yard...
>
&g
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> >
> > Imagine if you were the single-person developer of a small application
> > that did something quite innovative, and charged a small fee for your
> > product. Now imagine you were practically forced to make your algorith
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> >
> > It's worth remembering that there is a massive amount of software that
> > has nothing to do with 'infrastructure', that won't need to be
> > maintained, or upgraded. Examples include most retail soft
nclude most retail software for the
home or small office, and most entertainment software. Developers of
such software often have understandable reasons for making it
inconvenient to examine the algorithms at a high level.
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e polled (eg. to handle
input, AI, graphics, etc). Previous threads there will give you some
hints on all these matters.
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that go into turning a fresh, clean spot on your hard drive
> into an application, what you've done is reinvent TurboGears rather than
> develop your application.
However, at least whatever you come up with would be better documented
than TurboGears. ;)
(I reserve the right to amend t
s, which is advisable anyway.
> The hosting service formerly known as
> python-hosting has been doing this
> for years.
Would you need one instance per user? Is it practical to run 1000s of
Apache instances on one server?
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Paul Rubin wrote:
> "Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Another perfectly good reason is that PHP pages are much simpler to
> > deploy than any given Python application server. Just add the code into
> > your HTML pages as required and you're do
nd who played what move etc..? Any suggestions on this.
Use whichever is easiest for you. Why do you need to save the data to
disk anyway? If you definitely need to do that, the shelve module is
often a good choice for basic needs. But it depends on what you need to
do with the information after you
Vincent Delporte wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2006 07:05:27 -0700, "Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Typically you run PHP as a module in your webserver, so there should be
> >no process startup overhead. mod_python provides the same sort of
> >functionality
d the same thing for PHP? Or is this handled
> differently there?
Typically you run PHP as a module in your webserver, so there should be
no process startup overhead. mod_python provides the same sort of
functionality for Python, but is not as popular or widely installed as
the PHP Apache module.
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Terry Reedy wrote:
> "Ben Sizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > PyGame was barely maintained for a year, and is based on SDL which was
> > also barely maintained for a year, and which hasn't kept up with
> > hardw
Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Ben Sizer enlightened us with:
> > PyGame was barely maintained for a year, and is based on SDL which
> > was also barely maintained for a year, and which hasn't kept up with
> > hardware advances at all.
>
> Still, ID Software and Epic both
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Ben Sizer wrote:
> >
> > Even C++ comes with OpenGL in the standard library.
>
> Which standard library?
Sorry, it was a long day, and I used entirely the wrong term here. By
that, I meant "typically shipped with each compiler". I've nev
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