On Jan 29, 4:10 am, Ben Finney wrote:
> Note that Raymond is speaking specifically in the context of free
> software, where the license is by definition permitting free
> redistribution of the source code.
It is an obvious necessary condition that for code to be opened it
should be open (source)
On Jan 27, 10:47 pm, Grant Edwards wrote:
> So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
> nor presumably in communication itself?
A Goedel-ian meta-recursion problem here Grant:
You want to communicate the need for communication to one who does not
see the need/value o
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[Jack Diedrich]
> I think you overestimate how common it used to be to carry around the
> sourcecode for the software you use compared to now; In the past it
> wasn't even always possible - if the Sun cc compiler core dumps you
> have no recourse to code.
You're right of course. For the Python w
Jack Diederich writes:
> I think you overestimate how common it used to be to carry around the
> sourcecode for the software you use compared to now; In the past it
> wasn't even always possible - if the Sun cc compiler core dumps you
> have no recourse to code.
Note that Raymond is speaking sp
Ian,
> A google search for "python topological sort" returns lots of results.
Perfect!! That's exactly what I was looking for but couldn't manage to
put a name to.
Cheers,
Malcolm
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> I hoping a new trend will start with dev's putting direct
> source code links in their documentation:
>
> http://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/open-your-source-more/
>
> I'm looking for more examples of projects that routinely
> li
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:29 PM, wrote:
> Wondering if there's a Python library or algorithm for determining the order
> in which a group of calculations should be performed when some calculations
> reference the result of other equations. I don't need anything as fancy as a
> spreadsheet engine,
Wondering if there's a Python library or algorithm for
determining the order in which a group of calculations should be
performed when some calculations reference the result of other
equations. I don't need anything as fancy as a spreadsheet
engine, however I do need to detect recursive equations a
Raymond Hettinger writes:
> I hoping a new trend will start with dev's putting direct
> source code links in their documentation:
>
> http://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/open-your-source-more/
That's a good article overall.
I have a quibble with the framing:
> The rest of the blame lie
On 1/25/11 12:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:24:24 -0800, Robin Dunn wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:03 pm, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:57 pm, Robin Dunn wrote:
BTW, on behalf of the wxPython community I'd like to apologize for
the havoc caused by the flaming troll escaping f
Rick:
> Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
> exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
> many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
Tyler:
> You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
Yes i do, and i
Thanks, everyone, for your suggestions.
-Che
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On Jan 28, 2:34 pm, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> It's not that people don't appreciate your help.
First: Thanks for the reasonable response.
> It's that the mailing
> list is not the appropriate place for this type of discussion.
Actually i see you point but there is a good reason behind me bringi
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:42 PM, bansi wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:52 pm, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, bansi wrote:
>> > On Jan 28, 9:46 am, bansi wrote:
>> >> On Jan 26, 8:31 pm, MRAB wrote:
>>
>> >> > On 27/01/2011 00:57, bansi wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Jan 26, 6:25 pm,
On 1/28/11 12:35 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> The fact remains.
The word "fact" does not mean what you think it means.
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>Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
>exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
>many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
On 1/28/2011 1:35 PM, rantingrick w
On Jan 28, 2:37 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > "Get the library and its documentation included in the core Python
> > distribution, so that truly cross-platform GUI applications may be written
> > that will run on any Python installation, anywhere."
>
>
Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> Have any of you all seen other examples besides
> the Go language docs and the Python docs?
Wasn't doxygen developed with that in mind?
Rui Maciel
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On Jan 28, 1:52 pm, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, bansi wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 9:46 am, bansi wrote:
> >> On Jan 26, 8:31 pm, MRAB wrote:
>
> >> > On 27/01/2011 00:57, bansi wrote:
>
> >> > > On Jan 26, 6:25 pm, Ethan Furman wrote:
> >> > >> bansi wrote:
>
> >> > >>
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
> > people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
>
> I strongly disagree with this statement.
Whether you agree or disag
On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Terry Reedy"
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets
*as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility
of each
Raymond Hettinger writes:
> http://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/open-your-source-more/
>
> I'm looking for more examples of projects that routinely
> link their docs back into relavant sections of code.
> Have any of you all seen other examples besides
> the Go language docs and the Python
On Jan 28, 9:52 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
> [plonk]
Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
actually care?
[zing]
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> Why don't you instead thank me for helping out instead of jumping to
> irate conclusions? It would *seem* that if YOU cared about the future
> of Python you would be more *accepting* of my help.
>
But you have not, in fact, helped out. You'v
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 28, 8:52 am, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
>
>> Why don't you file a ticket on the bug tracker instead of wasting
>> yours and other people's time here by making appear another rant
>> against Tkinter as a bug report?
>
> Why don't you instea
2011/1/28 Raymond Hettinger :
> I hoping a new trend will start with dev's putting direct
> source code links in their documentation:
>
> http://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/open-your-source-more/
>
> I'm looking for more examples of projects that routinely
> link their docs back into relav
On Jan 28, 2:23 pm, Robert Kern wrote:
> Send the (pickleable) factory and the arguments used to construct the
> instance,
> not the unpickleable instance itself.
>
> def g(factory, i):
> cls = factory(i)
> print cls._x
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
>pool = mp.Pool(2)
>
On Jan 28, 8:52 am, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
> Why don't you file a ticket on the bug tracker instead of wasting
> yours and other people's time here by making appear another rant
> against Tkinter as a bug report?
Why don't you instead thank me for helping out instead of jumping to
irate conclus
Dear Room,
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On 1/28/11 1:25 PM, Daniel Urban wrote:
Only classes defined on the top level of a module are picklable (see
http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/library/pickle#what-can-be-pickled-and-unpickled
). The collections.namedtuple class factory function works around this
limitation by setting the __module_
What is the output?
2011/1/28, Alan :
> Can the below example be fixed to work?
> Thanks,
> Alan Isaac
>
> import multiprocessing as mp
>
> class Test(object):
> pass
>
> def class_factory(x):
> class ConcreteTest(Test):
> _x = x
> return ConcreteTest
>
> def f(cls):
> prin
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 20:02, Alan wrote:
> Can the below example be fixed to work?
> Thanks,
> Alan Isaac
>
> import multiprocessing as mp
>
> class Test(object):
> pass
>
> def class_factory(x):
> class ConcreteTest(Test):
> _x = x
> return ConcreteTest
>
> def f(cls):
> prin
On 1/28/11 1:02 PM, Alan wrote:
Can the below example be fixed to work?
Thanks,
Alan Isaac
import multiprocessing as mp
class Test(object):
pass
def class_factory(x):
class ConcreteTest(Test):
_x = x
return ConcreteTest
def f(cls):
print cls._x
if __name__ == '__
Can the below example be fixed to work?
Thanks,
Alan Isaac
import multiprocessing as mp
class Test(object):
pass
def class_factory(x):
class ConcreteTest(Test):
_x = x
return ConcreteTest
def f(cls):
print cls._x
if __name__ == '__main__':
pool = mp.Pool(2)
pool
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, bansi wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:46 am, bansi wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 8:31 pm, MRAB wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 27/01/2011 00:57, bansi wrote:
>>
>> > > On Jan 26, 6:25 pm, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> > >> bansi wrote:
>>
>> > >> > First namelookupWrapper.py running und
On Jan 28, 9:46 am, bansi wrote:
> On Jan 26, 8:31 pm, MRAB wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27/01/2011 00:57, bansi wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 26, 6:25 pm, Ethan Furman wrote:
> > >> bansi wrote:
>
> > >> > First namelookupWrapper.py running under Python 2.6 accept arguments
> > >> > from stdin and use
I hoping a new trend will start with dev's putting direct
source code links in their documentation:
http://rhettinger.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/open-your-source-more/
I'm looking for more examples of projects that routinely
link their docs back into relavant sections of code.
Have any of you all
On 28/01/2011 08:34, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
what >JAWS
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them.
I am sure
On 1/28/11 6:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
>> Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
>> on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind was
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
> > people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
>
> I strongly disagree with this statement.
>
(BTW, Kevin, Congrats on
On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
I strongly disagree with this statement.
--Kevin
--
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Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
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Back9 writes:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to set up a http server to handle a single POST request.
> That POST request is to upload a huge file and the server is supposed
> to handle it with the just POST request.
> With my python sample code, multiple post requests are working well,
> but that is not my
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Grant Edwards"
>> A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
>> and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
> I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with
> WxPython and I have posted here what I found,
The
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Stephen Hansen"
>> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
>> Tkinter just to spite him.
>
> Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good
> and normal one, right?
Good? No.
Normal? Yes.
I'm b
On Jan 28, 8:18 am, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
> > Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
> > Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
> > on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind w
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> How can we talk about etiquette when exactly this etiquette is the one that
> needs to be changed?
Huh?
> As you say, the etiquette is in favor of the preferences of the majority,
> but how should react someone, what he/she should say in order to make th
2011/1/26 rantingrick :
>
> I just installed Python 3,0 on my machine. I cannot use 3.0
> exclusively yet however i was interested in just poking around and
> acquiring a taste if you will. I was happy to find that the new
> Tkinter module names now follow convention and are placed correctly...
> e
On Jan 26, 8:31 pm, MRAB wrote:
> On 27/01/2011 00:57, bansi wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 6:25 pm, Ethan Furman wrote:
> >> bansi wrote:
>
> >> > First namelookupWrapper.py running under Python 2.6 accept arguments
> >> > from stdin and uses csv reader object to read it i.e.
> >> > r=
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> Well i tried searching for "Tkinter" issues on the tracker and just
> got annoyed quickly and left. It seems far to complicated to do
> searches with this software.
>
You should apply some of the persistence that you show on the mailing list
On Jan 27, 3:49 pm, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
> >Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
> >won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
> That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
> diverting it into your own meaning fo
On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
> Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
> on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind was very
> important for. But no more!
Well Steph
On Jan 28, 2:33 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> From: "Terry Reedy"
>
> > For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
> > gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
> > accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessib
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
>won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and diverting
it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
>Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
>actually cared about before and thought was important.
When I told about what the community of the blind from my country
From: "Stephen Hansen"
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him.
Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good and
normal one, right?
Octavian
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From: "rusi"
Its quite clear to everyone here that
-- Octavian has no interest in a 21st century snazzy-looking toolkit
Oh well I am interested, but with the condition that toolkit to be
accessible, however Tkinter is not.
Is it too much to expect from a "21st century snazzy-looking toolkit" to
>Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
>won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
diverting it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
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26.01.2011, 12:59, "Xavier Heruacles" :
> I have do some log processing which is usually huge. The length of each line
> is variable. How can I get the last line?? Don't tell me to use readlines or
> something like linecache... --
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Well, it's
>Exactly what I said. They are doing the same mistake as I did 20 years
ago.
and are still making now... Lack of English and grammar isn't the
problem...
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:32, Alan Franzoni wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Daniel Urban wrote:
>
>> Actually it can. You don't have to modify the object, just check for
>> the desired methods/signature/whatever. See for example the
>> implementation of collections.Hashable.__subclass
I'm looking for some help coming up with an algorithm to produce lists which
meet the following criterion (you don't need to know music to get this):
In musical pitch-class set theory, "prime form" is defined as the most tightly-
packed-to-the-left rotation of a set's interval structure. Prime fo
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Daniel Urban wrote:
> Actually it can. You don't have to modify the object, just check for
> the desired methods/signature/whatever. See for example the
> implementation of collections.Hashable.__subclasshook__ in _abcoll.py
> and the abc.ABCMeta.__instancecheck_
From: Vaduvoiu Tiberiu
> Well, to quote firefox: this is embarrassing. I've realized the dictionary
initialization is wrong, as [] means its a tuple, I should use {}. That's why I
> don't like working nights..it's only in the morning when you start seeing
things better. I apologize for the ma
From: "alex23"
"Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib.
I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members
start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they
may
be thinking that I don't want to
From: "Grant Edwards"
I think there are a lot of people who think that including a GUI in
the standard library was a mistake and the best solution would be to
get rid of Tkinter and replace it with nothing. If I were Guido and
thought that, I'd probably keep mum about it as well. :)
[I'm not c
From: "Terry Reedy"
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
(from http://www.wxpython.org/quotes.php)
Of course, that is
From: "Corey Richardson"
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
Oh, how can Guido say this about that bad WxPython that
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are you
trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider not
equal to a group of "healthy" people?
What do you mean
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
what >JAWS
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them.
I am sure *nobody* will tell you that thing even though
From: "Grant Edwards"
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with WxPython and I
have posted here what I found, hoping that there will appear a Tkinter-based
app t
From: "Giampaolo Rodolà"
...
py2exe offers the following installation kits, depending on the Python
version. If you know, please tell me why there are different packages for
different versions of Python?
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.5.exe
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.4.exe
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.3.exe
py2e
From: "Terry Reedy"
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility
of each of those set?
Thank you for telling about th
From: "Grant Edwards"
You said that you don't care about convincing anybody either that
accessibility is import or about convincing anybody to do anything
about it. To me that means you don't care about accessiblity.
And you are wrong. If you don't try to convince someone that Python is a
go
From: "Grant Edwards"
So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
nor presumably in communication itself?
No, I don't want to say that, but I want to say that if it is obviously that
the others don't care about the main issue discussed, then the communication
just fo
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