Re: Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread Michael Knepher
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 22:59, David Durst wrote: > > If you have the XFree86-tools package installed, you can quickly kill a > > windowed app using xkill. Hit Alt+F2 to bring up the Run Program dialog, > > and enter "xkill" (without the quotes). Your cursor will turn into a > > crosshair-like image

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Michael Fratoni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 December 2002 01:06 am, greg wrote: > > "kill app" always did something completely stupid - it called close() > > on the application's X server connection. If the app was stuck in an > > infinite loop or otherwise stuck, "kill app" wouldn

Re: Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread David Durst
> If you have the XFree86-tools package installed, you can quickly kill a > windowed app using xkill. Hit Alt+F2 to bring up the Run Program dialog, > and enter "xkill" (without the quotes). Your cursor will turn into a > crosshair-like image - just position it anywhere in the window of the > offen

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread David Durst
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:09:04PM -0800, David Durst wrote: >> >> It is not a bad thing, it is desired. But in a place I like >> to call reality 99% of the people on this planet will never >> be in the smart, wise or anything like that category. > > 94% of that group uses Windows, and for a rea

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread greg
On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 14:25, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:39:05PM -0500, Beartooth wrote: > > It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got > > hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the > > panel, whatever that's called, and along with choi

Re: Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread Michael Knepher
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 20:16, anthony baldwin wrote: > About that kill app function. > I have run "man kill" and it is not in any decipherable language resembling > english. I have, from time to time, had apps hang and not respond and the only >recourse I have found is to log out. I know that is

RE: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Keith Winston
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 19:06, Lanny Marcus wrote: > Possibly you can check your Printer Settings (LPRng or CUPS), to see if > that is configurable. I'm using CUPS and Printing is the one issue we > have with Psyche. It will, hopefully, improve, with future releases. > Printing from MS Windows is

Re: Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread Michael Fratoni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 December 2002 11:16 pm, anthony baldwin wrote: > About that kill app function. > I have run "man kill" and it is not in any decipherable language > resembling english. I have, from time to time, had apps hang and not > respond and the o

Re: Psyche-list digest, Vol 1 #739 - 13 msgs

2002-12-26 Thread anthony baldwin
well, There was some useful information in that post, for sure. I DID create desktop link to xkill and have now found it to be very useful. I think I may be one of those who falls between newbie and advanced user. I've been using Linux for about 9 months and can now accomplish most tasks. (still

Re: Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thursday 26 December 2002 20:16, anthony baldwin uttered: > I have run "man kill" and it is not in any decipherable language resembling > english. I have, from time to time, had apps hang and not respond and the > only recourse I have found is to log out. I know that is a weak way to > handle

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread hmc
Benjamin, I just tried shutdown -h now and it did not automatically shut down power... still need to shut power off manually. I did a standard load of RH8 and have not played around with APMD. Upon further investigation, ps -aux|grep -i apm shows apmd is not running. /etc/init.d/apmd start com

Kill app

2002-12-26 Thread anthony baldwin
About that kill app function. I have run "man kill" and it is not in any decipherable language resembling english. I have, from time to time, had apps hang and not respond and the only recourse I have found is to log out. I know that is a weak way to handle the issue, but I can ont figure for t

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 03:38:12PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > And there is no obvious/easy way provided to > continue to use GNOME without using Metacity. It's a simple two commands typed into a terminal, or a trivial text edit of ~/.gnome2/session. Documenting better how to switch WMs, or fi

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:39:05PM -0500, Beartooth wrote: > It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got > hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the > panel, whatever that's called, and along with choices like > Maximize, Minimize, etc., you got one for Kill A

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread Jim Christiansen
Thanks to another person who answered a similar question for me a while ago, all of our smp boxes will power down with the following... title Red Hat Linux (2.4.18-19.8.0smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-19.8.0smp ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi vga=0x305 apm=

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread Lanny Marcus
> Message: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:40:47 -0800 (PST) > From: hmc > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension > 4500 with RH8 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Lanny, > > Unfortunately, no one seems to respond to this query. Perhaps someone >

RE: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Lanny Marcus
> From: Bob Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: R F > Goodwin/W2BOD > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: RH8 Mozilla -- > Printing in Landscape? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I am using beonex 0.8.1 which I believe is using Mozilla 1.1 and the > selection for Portrait and Landscape

RE: Solved: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Lanny Marcus
> Message: 8 > Subject: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape? > From: David Colburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: > Date: 24 Dec 2002 18:26:40 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I am using Mozilla under RH8. When looking around the Print popup in > M

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:09:04PM -0800, David Durst wrote: > > It is not a bad thing, it is desired. But in a place I like > to call reality 99% of the people on this planet will never > be in the smart, wise or anything like that category. 94% of that group uses Windows, and for a reason. The

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread Benjamin Rich
Just curious but do you have APMD running and configured, when you issue a shutdown -h now instead of the -p option will it shutdown and poweroff. -Original Message- From: hmc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: poweroff

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread hmc
Lanny, Unfortunately, no one seems to respond to this query. Perhaps someone could recommend another list. I am surprised since Dell is a very popular brand and I would assume lots of RH8 running on the Dimension 4500, or other Dell models that seem to exhibit the same behavior, as you point out.

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 15:38, Derek Martin wrote: > I sincerely hope Red Hat is getting the message: One size DOES NOT fit > all, and people don't like GNOME2/Metacity. Not really. Many more people are very happy with what RH has done with 8.0 than not. However, if you want an alternativ

Re: iptables help

2002-12-26 Thread Ben Brown
Usually, you have to specify the interface. For example, I run a caching-only nameserver on my firewall that I don't want anyone to be able to query from outside the firewall, so I run this command: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 53 -j DROP Hope that syntax helps. Might also want to c

Re: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Rob Blomquist
> > I am using Mozilla under RH8. When looking around the Print popup in > > Moz I do not see an option to print in landscape, why is that? > > (Nothing helpful in Mozilla Help.) > > I verified this. The Print Windows that come up in Mozilla don't give a > Landscape option. > > Possibly you c

Re: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
Lanny Marcus wrote - "I verified this. The Print Windows that come up in Mozilla don't give a Landscape option." I am using beonex 0.8.1 which I believe is using Mozilla 1.1 and the selection for Portrait and Landscape is under File/Page Setup just above Print and Preview in the File menu.

Re: Much Slower than 7.2?

2002-12-26 Thread Ronald W. Heiby
Tuesday, December 24, 2002, 5:01:42 PM, James wrote: > I don't know how much of your work is proprietary, but it seems like > you want to notify the kernel developers. You are doing something > that is out of the ordinary for most of us on the list. Pretty much all of it. I can't imagine what I'm

RE: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape?

2002-12-26 Thread Lanny Marcus
> Message: 8 > Subject: RH8 Mozilla -- Printing in Landscape? > From: David Colburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: > Date: 24 Dec 2002 18:26:40 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I am using Mozilla under RH8. When looking around the Print popup in > Moz I do no

RE: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 with RH8

2002-12-26 Thread Lanny Marcus
> Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:53:55 -0800 (PST) > From: hmc > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: poweroff fails on Dell Dimension 4500 > with RH8 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Anyone know why poweroff fails (halt -p) with RH8 on Dell Dimension > 4500? Shutdown end

multiple distros/users (why no kill app)

2002-12-26 Thread chris
1. Power user or not, the command line is your way to computing freedom. 2. Ditto; we need users who can handle various configurations - otherwise you'd being using WIN 98 and XP, right? Hold your course with Red Hat Linux. Chris -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.

Re: Ciphers for loopback devices?

2002-12-26 Thread Gordon Messmer
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 11:47, David Soroko wrote: > I was wandering, what non trivial ciphers (XOR is a trivial cipher) are > available to 'losetup -e' in the standard kernel. It looks like the kernel contains support for AES crypto loop devices, but the losetup command does not. I think that if y

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:12:27 -0500 Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Red Hat has chosen to use Metacity as their default GNOME WM instead. > Why they did this, I have no idea, though I suspect most of the > reasoning has something to do with code maintenance, and nothing to do > with usabi

Re: Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Kent Nyberg
tor 2002-12-26 klockan 21.38 skrev Derek Martin: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:39:05PM -0500, Beartooth wrote: > > > > It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got > > hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the > >

Re: Psyche-list digest, Vol 1 #738 - 12 msgs

2002-12-26 Thread Donald G Wilson Jr
I can not believe some of the suggestions that redhat is incompetent because they did not provide a shortcut to this or that program on your desktop And then to suggest they should offer different distros w/ diff shortcuts for diff programs. this is the distro w/ a shortcut to gimp.. this dist

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread David Durst
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:32:06PM -0800, David Durst wrote: >> >> But there are plenty of people that are not newbies and are not >> experts that stand somewhere in between and don't want to be a >> expert. I believe I refer to them as POWER USERS. But I can not >> reasonably expect these peop

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:27:34 -0500 Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Changing your window manager to something other than Metacity in > GNOME2 is HARD... even for many experienced users. The process is far > from obvious (unless maybe you're very familiar with how such things > work). Fu

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 04:27:34PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > Changing your window manager to something other than Metacity in > GNOME2 is HARD... even for many experienced users. The process is > far from obvious (unless maybe you're very familiar with how such > things work). Furthermore, AF

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:32:06PM -0800, David Durst wrote: > > But there are plenty of people that are not newbies and are not > experts that stand somewhere in between and don't want to be a > expert. I believe I refer to them as POWER USERS. But I can not > reasonably expect these people to

Re: answering machine software

2002-12-26 Thread Justin Zygmont
try vgetty, with tkVoice as the frontend. I can't remember the link offhand.. On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Jochen Kaechelin wrote: > Does anybody know an answering machine software > for kde? > > I used vbox on my old SuSE 7.3 and it works fine for me. > But i do not want to install it again, because

install/package manager bugfix

2002-12-26 Thread Craig Toenes
Can anyone tell me what this comand is and how to use it to fix my open with/install, package management bug? The comand is %_? _ other. Can anyone fill in the question mark. Thanks in advance, Craig _

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread David Durst
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:15:13PM -0800, David Durst wrote: >> >> Wouldn't it be simplier if RH came out w/ multiple distros for >> different types of users? > > No it wouldn't. What we need is different types of users who can > handle simple, basic configuration. Merry xmas and may the fat man

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Hal Burgiss
On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 01:15:13PM -0800, David Durst wrote: > > Wouldn't it be simplier if RH came out w/ multiple distros for > different types of users? No it wouldn't. What we need is different types of users who can handle simple, basic configuration. Merry xmas and may the fat man be carryi

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:15:13 -0800 (PST) "David Durst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't it be simplier if RH came out w/ multiple distros for > different types of users? Well, if the user isn't a newbie, he/she should be competent enough to use a different window manager. Nowhere does it sa

Re: Why no 'Kill App'??

2002-12-26 Thread David Durst
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 02:39:05PM -0500, Beartooth wrote: >> >> It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got >> hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the >> panel, whatever that's called, and along with choices l

Re: Best way to reinstall XFree and KDE?

2002-12-26 Thread Donald G Wilson Jr
I am NO-WHERE near as knowledgeable as most of the guys here, but i must ask. Did you just try re-configuring X? ie: root# xf86config save your old file (/etc/X11/XF86Config , note upper case ) and try it. a lot of times its bailed me out when i couldn't make heads or tails out of the errors.

answering machine software

2002-12-26 Thread Jochen Kaechelin
Does anybody know an answering machine software for kde? I used vbox on my old SuSE 7.3 and it works fine for me. But i do not want to install it again, because it needs inetd. I use a FritzCard PCI ISDN-Device - no modem? Thanx. -- Jochen Kaechelin -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTE

Ciphers for loopback devices?

2002-12-26 Thread David Soroko
I was wandering, what non trivial ciphers (XOR is a trivial cipher) are available to 'losetup -e' in the standard kernel. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Psyche-list mailing lis

Why no "Kill App"??

2002-12-26 Thread Beartooth
It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the panel, whatever that's called, and along with choices like Maximize, Minimize, etc., you got one for Kill App. Very useful for us subtechnoids, who don't have command line

Re: Best way to reinstall XFree and KDE?

2002-12-26 Thread Peter Boy
Am Don, 2002-12-26 um 17.54 schrieb Derek Martin: > > Well, xfs isn't the prob: > > Not convinced that's the case... your X server logs indicate the > server was dying because it's not able to load the default font > "fixed" I booted RH 8 to run level 3 and started xfs according to the instruct

(no subject)

2002-12-26 Thread Banjo Donila
I cant access samba thru nautilus ive got gnome-vfs2-extra already nautilus echoes Nautilus cannot display smb:// but before my first installation of RH 8.0 it works flawlessly but now it aint. If you happen to need more details on what packages are installed please notify me... and oh by the way.

Re: [Fwd: Re: new kernel]

2002-12-26 Thread snoquad
Yes. Got it running w/ both 2.4.18-8.0 and 2.4.18-19.0 Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop w/ GeForce 4 440 64MB Had to use the src.rpm for 2.4.18-19.0 because architecture-specific kernel driver wasn't avaialable. 2.4.18-8.0 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.rh80up_2.4.18_18.8.0.i686.rpm NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191

IBM Thinkpad T23 + Red Hat Linux 8.0 = :) :) :) :)

2002-12-26 Thread Blaise Pascal
Hi, this is my first post to this list, a short story on using Red Hat Linux 8.0. I've been wanting to have Psyche exclusively on my IBM Thinkpad T23 ever since the OS was released. Try as I might, there were a couple of things I couldn't figure out: playing mpeg video, and playing DVD's. I foll

Re: Much Slower than 7.2?

2002-12-26 Thread Javier Gostling
On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 11:07:39AM -0600, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Monday, December 23, 2002, 2:38:57 PM, Ronald wrote: > > As an experiment, I've copied my raw data and compilation app to > > another system with 1 GB of RAM, a 4 GB swap partiti

Re: Best way to reinstall XFree and KDE?

2002-12-26 Thread Peter Boy
Am Don, 2002-12-26 um 05.10 schrieb Derek Martin: > Looks like the font server isn't starting... Check /var/log/messages > for hints about that. Well, xfs isn't the prob: <--> Dec 25 23:34:09 ibmLinux kernel: lp0: using parport0 (

Re: Developing Gnome Programs under RH8.0

2002-12-26 Thread Mark C
On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 07:49, John J. Boyer wrote: > Hello, > > I've just recently installed redhat 8.0, and I jould like to start > developing in gnome. However, it isn't quite clear to me what I have to > go. I am particularly interested in working with the gnome-print library. I would persona