Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Mark Hancock
I do have some understanding of the packager vs. developer situation, yes, but didn't know there was a known bug in 0.8.5 that is so serious in Windows, so the explanation is very appreciated. Just to be clear, I'm not actually advocating recommending 0.8.5 specifically (I thought that's what the

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 03:42:08PM -0600, Alan Mead wrote: > On 3/2/2016 1:35 PM, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > > Am 02.03.2016 um 20:26 schrieb John Darrington > > : > > > > On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > > > > 2 Then, as a first post-release task, let's repla

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Alan Mead
On 3/2/2016 3:48 AM, Matej Kovacic wrote: > I mean this is not a decision for a dice. It is a decision the project > manager shoud do. There should be no democracy here. Sorry to be late in responding, I didn't see Friedrich's OP (about using dice to settle the concern about the labeling of untes

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Alan Mead
Mark, Maybe you understand this very well, but I think a better way to think about this is that the PSPP team releases a release of PSPP (which is source code) and then platform-specific "packagers" release binaries for their platform, possibly making decisions along the way. For example, Friedri

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Alan Mead
Harry, this is helpful Thanks! -Alan On 3/2/2016 3:53 PM, Harry Thijssen wrote: > Hi > > First I don't want to be part of the ongoing discussion. > Just to inform you: > > The MSWindows installer displays a readme file on the screen during > installation. > > The second line in this readme b

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Harry Thijssen
Hi First I don't want to be part of the ongoing discussion. Just to inform you: The MSWindows installer displays a readme file on the screen during installation. The second line in this readme box states: *This is a new MSWindows build of the PSPP master branch as of the date this binary was

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Alan Mead
On 3/2/2016 1:35 PM, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > Am 02.03.2016 um 20:26 schrieb John Darrington : > > On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > > 2 Then, as a first post-release task, let's replace the existing splash > screen with an startup window > which must be ac

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Mark Hancock
I've attached a screenshot of what I think is a much better solution (to change the website). I think this simple change would alleviate the need for any messages in the application (though still wouldn't object to "(unstable)" or "(development)" in the title bar, just not a long instructional mess

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Friedrich Beckmann
> Am 02.03.2016 um 20:26 schrieb John Darrington : > > On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > > 2 Then, as a first post-release task, let's replace the existing splash > screen with an startup window > which must be acknowledged. Then we don't need to have any

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread John Darrington
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > Am 02.03.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Ben Pfaff : >> >> Why can't the user see it at startup? >> >> The output window is (at least on the window manager I use) below the data window, unless >

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Friedrich Beckmann
> Am 02.03.2016 um 20:00 schrieb Ben Pfaff : >>> Perhaps PSPPIRE should raise the output window, then. >> >> That would then be the first really negative functional impact of this >> warning that John planned. >> There are good reasons why the windows are raised as they are today. > > What are

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Fábián Zoltán
+1. I agree with every each point of Matej. (I have no such eloquence as Winston Churchill had.) Cheers, Zoltán On 2016-03-02 10:48, Matej Kovacic wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, What do you think? Yes, but is it a really true random number generator behind? What

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Friedrich Beckmann wrote: > > > Am 02.03.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Ben Pfaff : > >> > >> Why can't the user see it at startup? > >> > >> The output window is (at least on the window manager I use) below the data > >> window, unless > >> explicitly rai

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Friedrich Beckmann
> Am 02.03.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Ben Pfaff : >> >> Why can't the user see it at startup? >> >> The output window is (at least on the window manager I use) below the data >> window, unless >> explicitly raised. Typically, a user will only raise that window, when she >> explicity >> has i

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 06:09:16AM +0100, John Darrington wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 03:46:52PM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 06:37:49AM +0100, John Darrington wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:00:41AM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > > > I su

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Friedrich Beckmann
Hey Matej, > Yes, but is it a really true random number generator behind? What kind > of algorithms are used? Or is it used hardware based RNG? If so, which > provider? you may convince yourself...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyH41QXFbUU and we could watch it via livestream next saturday at

Re: Warning on unreleased versions.

2016-03-02 Thread Matej Kovacic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, > What do you think? Yes, but is it a really true random number generator behind? What kind of algorithms are used? Or is it used hardware based RNG? If so, which provider? :-) I mean this is not a decision for a dice. It is a decision the pr