Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Wietse Venema put forth on 2/7/2011 1:05 PM: > getpwnam() is not a good example because Postfix uses proxymap from > inside the jail, but you get the idea. Here's a good example Wietse, one you helped me figure out/fix a couple of years ago. Before Lenny (Released Feb 2009), Debian didn't create

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Daniel Bromberg put forth on 2/7/2011 12:39 PM: > Finally, how does one use Postfix properly in the possessive? "Postfix's, > Postfixs', Postfix', and Postfixes" all look wrong. Go the Romance language route and use "of". Example, instead of using Postfix' smtpd_foo_restrictions use smtpd_foo

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Wietse Venema
Mark Alan: > On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:21:39 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema > wrote: > > > Except for all those beginners that get into trouble because they > > use someone elses cookbook instructions instead of their own > > expertise. > > And instead of being continuously consumed by same beginner que

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:21:39 -0500 (EST), Wietse Venema wrote: > Except for all those beginners that get into trouble because they > use someone elses cookbook instructions instead of their own > expertise. And instead of being continuously consumed by same beginner questions, wouldn't it be easi

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread mouss
Le 07/02/2011 12:06, Mark Alan a écrit : >[snip] > > No disrespect intended neither towards Stefan, nor towards his > friends. > > But, to us, it would be difficult to use a Postfix repository that > includes changes whose rationale we are not able to understand like, for > instance, the followin

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Wietse Venema
Christian Roessner: > >> For the sake of curiosity and education, why is running chroot'd Postfix > >> complicated? > > > > Late binding. Cyrus SASL may dynamically load plugins. Table drivers may > > dynamically do hostname lookups, CA certificates may need to retrieved, ... > > > > The more fe

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 08:15:49PM +0100, Christian Roessner wrote: > But I also could say: The more features you enable, the more experienced > you probably are. You could also say something just to disagree or make the last point. -- Viktor.

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Christian Roessner
>> For the sake of curiosity and education, why is running chroot'd Postfix >> complicated? > > Late binding. Cyrus SASL may dynamically load plugins. Table drivers may > dynamically do hostname lookups, CA certificates may need to retrieved, ... > > The more features you enable that use externa

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Wietse Venema
Mark Alan: > A quick google search shows that, for years, Wietse have been answering > questions related with users trying to use chrooted parts of Postfix. > > But, I wonder, in his machines does he use chroot or not? Wietse: > > Indeed I do, helped by an OS that requires few files in the postfix

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Daniel Bromberg wrote: > For the sake of curiosity and education, why is running chroot'd Postfix > complicated? Late binding. Cyrus SASL may dynamically load plugins. Table drivers may dynamically do hostname lookups, CA certificates may need to retriev

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository -- general chroot question

2011-02-07 Thread Daniel Bromberg
On 2/7/2011 1:22 PM, Wietse Venema wrote: Mark Alan: A quick google search shows that, for years, Wietse have been answering questions related with users trying to use chrooted parts of Postfix. But, I wonder, in his machines does he use chroot or not? Indeed I do, helped by an OS that require

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository [SOLVED]

2011-02-07 Thread Wietse Venema
Mark Alan: > A quick google search shows that, for years, Wietse have been answering > questions related with users trying to use chrooted parts of Postfix. > > But, I wonder, in his machines does he use chroot or not? Indeed I do, helped by an OS that requires few files in the postfix jail (etc/

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository [SOLVED]

2011-02-07 Thread Stefan Foerster
* Mark Alan : > On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 17:49:38 +0100, Stefan Foerster > Apparently you did so just to cope with the novice user that does > not know how to use MySQL with Postfix chrooted services. Believe me, nothing is more annyoing than seeing other people suffering from chroot related problems.

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository [SOLVED]

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 17:49:38 +0100, Stefan Foerster wrote: > [chroot disabled] > ... and the mysql client libraries > will then try to use the unix socket. This socket is, of course, not > present in the chroot.> > Now I know there are better ways around this - use proxymap(8), e.g., > but frankl

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread /dev/rob0
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 05:49:38PM +0100, Stefan Foerster wrote: > * Mark Alan : > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 22:22:52 +0100, Patrick Ben Koetter > > wrote: > > > > > If there are "significant differences that are not Debian > > > related" Stefan certainly has had reasons to add them. > > > > That's

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Stefan Foerster
* Robert Schetterer : > whatever, i use this debs they are up and running, > in ubuntu lucid You should not use these packages on Ubuntu - they lack some of the necessary triggers like e.g. ufw. Cheers Stefan

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Stefan Foerster
* Mark Alan : > On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 22:22:52 +0100, Patrick Ben Koetter > wrote: > > > If there are "significant differences that are not Debian related" > > Stefan certainly has had reasons to add them. > > That's certainly a way to view things and I respect your opinion. > > But it is hard to

[SOLVED] Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:52:15 +, Mark Alan wrote: > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > newest Postfix 2.8? [SOLVED] For now we will use Christian Roessner's http://mysourceco.de Ubuntu repository. Our servers run on Ubuntu 10.04 & 10.10, so to install/upgrade to Pos

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 23:42:39 -0600, /dev/rob0 wrote: > If you're capable of determining that Stefan is unreliable, you > should also be capable of building your own reliable package, or > that's what I'd expect, anyway. I am. We are. But as you very well know, one of the first rules of Open So

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 22:22:52 +0100, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > If there are "significant differences that are not Debian related" > Stefan certainly has had reasons to add them. That's certainly a way to view things and I respect your opinion. But it is hard to see the rationale in, for instan

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Alan
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:40:16 -0500, Victor Duchovni wrote: > Debian Postfix has significant integration enhancements, dynamic > loading of table drivers, Debian-specific SASL configuration > directory, hostname setting in external file, ... Debian users should > probably not build directly from un

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 06.02.2011 21:51, schrieb Mark Alan: > On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:01:17 +0100, Robert Schetterer > wrote: > >>> Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the >>> newest Postfix 2.8? >> >> http://debian.incertum.net/ > > Thank you, but the emphasis in my question was in 'reliable'. >

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-07 Thread Christian Roessner
Hi, > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > newest Postfix 2.8? http://mysourceco.de Is my repo. Clean patches to Postfix. It is in fact cloned from the Debian 2.7.0, but with review! It also has Dovecot 2.09+Pigeonhole in it. Regards Christian --- Roessner-Network-S

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread /dev/rob0
> * Mark Alan : > > > > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > > > > newest Postfix 2.8? > > > > > > http://debian.incertum.net/ > > > > Thank you, but the emphasis in my question was in 'reliable'. And that was the answer you got. > > A quick diff between the 2.8 sources

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 10:14:13PM +0100, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:51:55 +, Mark Alan > wrote: > > > As such and for now http://debian.incertum.net/ must be seen as its > > latin name implies incertum (=uncertain, irregular, unreliable) > > make a bump version request o

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Patrick Ben Koetter" wrote: >* Mark Alan : >> > > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the >> > > newest Postfix 2.8? >> > >> > http://debian.incertum.net/ >> >> Thank you, but the emphasis in my question was in 'reliable'. >> >> A quick diff between the 2.8 sources and p

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Mark Alan : > > > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > > > newest Postfix 2.8? > > > > http://debian.incertum.net/ > > Thank you, but the emphasis in my question was in 'reliable'. > > A quick diff between the 2.8 sources and patches at > http://debian.incertum.net/ an

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:51:55 +, Mark Alan wrote: > As such and for now http://debian.incertum.net/ must be seen as its > latin name implies incertum (=uncertain, irregular, unreliable) make a bump version request on debian lunchpad, but maybe only freebsd and gentoo supports it unpack source

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Mark Alan
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:01:17 +0100, Robert Schetterer wrote: > > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > > newest Postfix 2.8? > > http://debian.incertum.net/ Thank you, but the emphasis in my question was in 'reliable'. A quick diff between the 2.8 sources and patches at

Re: Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 06.02.2011 19:52, schrieb Mark Alan: > Hello, > > > Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the > newest Postfix 2.8? > > Regards, > > M. http://debian.incertum.net/ -- Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer Germany/Munich/Bavaria

Ubuntu/Debian Postfix 2.8.x repository

2011-02-06 Thread Mark Alan
Hello, Do you know any reliable Debian/Ubuntu repositories for the newest Postfix 2.8? Regards, M.