Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
"Want to know? Pay the dues." i.e keep the barriers to entry high. This restricts the popularity of languages to those people who are determined to pay the dues no matter what. This is why Pharo language has popularity equivalent to Lasso language's. I'd rather lower the barriers to entry, and

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
Personally, I prefer names like SUnit and JUnit. And these provide counter-counter examples. :-) On 8 December 2015 at 23:25, Robert Withers wrote: > Wait. Kafka is a part of Hadoop, now? Getting some Love! There's a good > match right there. Makes for a very good lambda architecture. They need

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread Robert Withers
Wait. Kafka is a part of Hadoop, now? Getting some Love! There's a good match right there. Makes for a very good lambda architecture. They need a meta. Hello squeak!!! Somebody just needs to build a kafka interface and a spark callback interface. Get squeak with caching to start grinding data,

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

2015-12-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Thierry Goubier wrote: > Le 08/12/2015 16:53, Christophe Demarey a écrit : > >> yes, we miss a package initialize method ... >> > > FileTree, GitFileTree and probably Monticello have support for a package > initialize method. > > mm package initialize method i

Re: [Pharo-users] Fuel Slow?

2015-12-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > I'm serializing about 20MB of data with Fuel and it takes about 45 seconds. > Is that normal? No, it's not. > Can anything be done to speed things up? > > Can I reproduce it? If true, tell me exactly how (if you give me the image and t

[Pharo-users] Fuel Slow?

2015-12-08 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
I'm serializing about 20MB of data with Fuel and it takes about 45 seconds. Is that normal? Can anything be done to speed things up? Thanks! - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fuel-Slow-tp4866161.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archiv

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Whoever works with Hadoop tech would find names like: Hadoop Spark Cassandra HBase Accumulo Hive Pig Impala Oozie YARN Kafka Flume Sqoop ... Go datascience and you'll get: R Shiny Jupyter Pandas Bokeh D3 And in JS: Node Angular Express descriptive names? Not at all. What matters is not the n

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread Robert Withers
Well, it seems I've more to say though I wouldn't want to test your patience . If folks have NO idea what they want, then Meno's Paradox would apply. People tend to have a descriptive ability, or a gut feeling at the least. "It kinda needs to be a camera that like hovers to longer observation t

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

2015-12-08 Thread Thierry Goubier
Le 08/12/2015 16:53, Christophe Demarey a écrit : yes, we miss a package initialize method ... FileTree, GitFileTree and probably Monticello have support for a package initialize method. Now, when I was doing my browser, I wondered about giving access to such code... turns out nobody uses i

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread Robert Withers
On 12/08/2015 04:20 PM, Robert Withers wrote: I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third possibility exists through communa

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread Robert Withers
I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? ;-) I'

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like these is "Meno's Paradox" On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM wrote: > "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd > > I agree. > > I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
"I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd I agree. I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to [small]talk. I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and "Gar

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

2015-12-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
What about slots ? Do they have any special initialiazation ? On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 at 17:54, Christophe Demarey wrote: > yes, we miss a package initialize method ... > > Le 8 déc. 2015 à 16:35, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : > > Dimitris, > > Relying in class side initialize is not very cool. Mos

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
I think it's potentially could be provided using Monticello as a basis, rather than "technically already available through Monticello", In many ways, you are describing the Catalog Browser / Configurstion Browser of Pharo, which is built on top of Monticello, Metacello, and Versionner. On 7 Dec

[Pharo-users] Roassal: Multiple Nesting

2015-12-08 Thread Leonel Merino
Hi all, I want to visualise three nested levels of a model. I am not sure if I am doing it right, since I had to add a reference to the view to the nested elements manually to make it work. The problem I face now is that elements in the deepest level do not react to interactions. In the example be

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

2015-12-08 Thread Christophe Demarey
yes, we miss a package initialize method ... Le 8 déc. 2015 à 16:35, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit : > Dimitris, > > Relying in class side initialize is not very cool. Mostly, because it's hard > to know EXACTLY when Monticello will send it. For sure it's the first time > you load that class.

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

2015-12-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Dimitris, Relying in class side initialize is not very cool. Mostly, because it's hard to know EXACTLY when Monticello will send it. For sure it's the first time you load that class. But then it could be if such method changes again. But maybe too if you clear some Monticello caches... Also, you m

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:11 AM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Sounds like Marea which never saw the light of day as a part of a Pharo > release/official package. > > http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/Marea > http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2013_01/article2.pdf > > As sometimes happens with research,

Re: [Pharo-users] About GTSpotter matching

2015-12-08 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Christophe Demarey < christophe.dema...@inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > By the way, is it possible to have exact match now? > At least, I expect to have expect match on the top of the result list. > +1 > A simple use case, > >- open Spotter >- search number >

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal Performance Issues when applying layout

2015-12-08 Thread Ben Coman
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Peter Uhnak wrote: > On 12/07, Alejandro Infante wrote: >> Hi, >> It is really difficult to help you just with a profile and without looking >> at your code. >> Even though, I have noticed that most of the time is used on calculating >> properties related to Compo

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
whats the diffirence ? On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:23 PM EuanM wrote: > Again, you seem to be using "the image" mainly to mean "the .image file", > and only occassionally to mean the actual image itself. They are distinct > (albeit tightly related) things. > On 7 Dec 2015 22:09, "Dimitris Chloupis

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread EuanM
Again, you seem to be using "the image" mainly to mean "the .image file", and only occassionally to mean the actual image itself. They are distinct (albeit tightly related) things. On 7 Dec 2015 22:09, "Dimitris Chloupis" wrote: > And this "victory of dead code and date" that files usually promot

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Sounds like Marea which never saw the light of day as a part of a Pharo release/official package. http://rmod.inria.fr/web/software/Marea http://www.jot.fm/issues/issue_2013_01/article2.pdf On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: > Hi Kilon, > > I think what you are describing a

Re: [Pharo-users] About GTSpotter matching

2015-12-08 Thread Juraj Kubelka
Hi Christophe, Not yet, but this is definitely way to improve Spotter. Thanks for the comment, Juraj -- Juraj Kubelka 8. 12. 2015 v 5:10, Christophe Demarey : > Hi, > > By the way, is it possible to have exact match now? > At least, I expect to have expect match on the top of the result list

Re: [Pharo-users] #storeOn: question

2015-12-08 Thread stepharo
Thanks Werner! Stef Le 3/12/15 13:00, Werner Kassens a écrit : Hi Stephane, there are 89 senders of #storeOn: minus around 30 implementations of #storeOn: minus around 10 tests, also things like the PharoChangesCondenser use it. then there are 26 senders of #storeString (essentially the same

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
yes it got lost in my many and long posts. I am already working with Fuel and as I said I am very happy with it. I completely agree that whether its files or flying elephants as long as it does the job in a simple and flexible enough way its a good choice. To summarise for those not wanting to r

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
:) Ironically all this discussion is something I have done already with myself to find a good way to be productive with the problems I try to solve with pharo. So by all mean, do so , and share ;) On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:50 AM Ben Coman wrote: > Fair enough ;p > Now I'll get back doing somet

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Kilon, I think what you are describing as a need for you is the ability to directly load into an image chunks of image memory space, containing already initialized images and code (i.e. live objects stored one way or another). Fuel could be an answer to that (wasn't that Tanker, the Fuel for co

Re: [Pharo-users] Stop Thinking in Terms of Files

2015-12-08 Thread Ben Coman
Fair enough ;p Now I'll get back doing something productive cheers -ben On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > You could not ask the worst case person even if you wanted :D > > But here we go ... > > Will depend , let take my ChronosManager for example > > To modify the existi

Re: [Pharo-users] About GTSpotter matching

2015-12-08 Thread Christophe Demarey
Hi, By the way, is it possible to have exact match now? At least, I expect to have expect match on the top of the result list. A simple use case, open Spotter search number dive into implementors category The exact matches are lost in the middle of hundreds of other selectors. This way, it is ve