repository
to the public http://use.perl.org/~nicholas/journal/24649 but is anyone else
working on the project? With the excitement of Perl6, Parrot, and Pugs I
wonder if Ponie is being neglected.
Inquiring minds want to know.
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, etc
without creating your own infix operator?
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On 4/4/06, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:16:23AM -0400, Joshua Gatcomb wrote:
>
Junctions are not intended for that use. We have Sets for that now.
Ok. So this will work out of the box if you use the right tool. Cool.
The cabal alrea
Anyone know what my problems is or is willing to work with me on this would
be most appreciated.
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h has
changed from nmake to mingw32-make along the way, which is bound to fail.
Perhaps this is the spot where it is appropriate to warn the user.
I don't mind writing the patch but as I have been away for 1.5 years I would
really like to hear the opinions of where is the best way to do it.
Chee
ake over nmake. Perhaps
that's wrong.
I don't think it is wrong but perhaps the order of hints/make should
change. I don't know that's why I am asking.
--
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run in Perl 5 today
without needing Pugs or Parrot.
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uated as it is
parsed while some require additional homegrown code to parse the resulting
parse tree (data structure).
I have not had a chance to look at Flavio's links yet. Since no one who
actually knows rules seemed to be inspired to write an example for me - I
will *eventually* figure it out on my own and post back to the list as an
FYI.
Paul Seamons
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ake it worth reading. While it has lost a bit of momentum - it is
still
being updated with new posts almost daily.
Allison
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ersion of cygwin1.dll)
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Here's the output of "make test" on my box.
Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed
---
t/codingstd/
On 3/28/07, Ron Blaschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joshua Gatcomb wrote:
> Really? No one on #parrot has been able to get parrot to work on Cygwin
> for months.
Interesting, didn't know about this.
The issue for the longest time was that miniparrot.exe would silently die
value can
change.
sub some_rourtine {
state $foo = 42;
return $foo++;
}
My apologies if this has been previously discussed or is documented
somewhere. I am still playing catch up. Ok, ok - it's true - I am
looking for a little instant gratification.
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dea of having mutator and non-mutator versions of chomp (and
other functions) have been kicked around the list.
Any definitive word yet?
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utoconvert but forget it ever
happened, and 1 would be an outright failure.
Ok - so could someone set me straight?
What should that code snippet do? Would it do anything different if
Int had been int?
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t know anything about unicode and leaving
the hard choices for doing the "right thing" up to you all. Whatever
the "right thing" is, will there be a way to do what my code snippet
showed?
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ite access to be limited to @larry
initially. The community posts patches where the bulk of the work is
done and @larry makes any necessary modifications and commits. If
even that work load proves to be too much, perhaps common mortals get
granted commit access on a case-by-case basis.
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that
patches had been requested with a volunteer to act as the approving
authority.
Hmmm. Thanks. I guess I will have to go back over the questions I
have asked and see if any decisions were rendered not relfected in
docs and be a pioneer.
>
> Pm
>
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On 6/10/05, Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmmm. Thanks. I guess I will have to go back over the questions I
> have asked and see if any decisions were rendered not relfected in
> docs and be a pioneer.
Ok, are there any guidelines for what should and should not be
lue i.e. $string.packed, comment about the
'packed' warnings/strictures pragma, and stick it the "right" place.
The patch to S09 has me stumped.
Is there any other reference material I can use to put together solid
frameworks that are closely representative to what @larry might
produce?
> Pm
>
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which is determined by previous read
In p5, you need to keep track of your offset and skip that number of
bytes each time. It would be nice if p6 could somehow make that
easier. Again, my focus is on the design docs and not on pack/unpack.
I just used it as a discussion point since it is what I was working
on at the time.
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On 6/17/05, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:56:50AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> :
> : my $x = 3;
> : my $y = \$x;
> : say $y + 10;
> : $y++;
> : say $y;
> : say $x;
> :
> I suspect people will find that counterintuitive. A more consiste
this in long tight running loops and found that the ways to achieve
it (as shown above) are worse then leaving the op in.
Michele
>
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alidate what I was
seeing. Parrot has changed considerably since then as
has Cygwin and gcc. I would suggest asking the list
if there is anyone interested in carrying on the
Cygwin torch by asking them to reproduce the problem.
I no longer have an environment to do so.
> Thanks,
>
al parameter that would specify behavior
-min (zip to the smallest list)
-undef (insert undefs as needed)
-error (blow up if the lists are not equal in size)
etc
Juerd
>
Just my 2 cents from the peanut gallery.
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of date.
We don't have a single source where people can go for relatively "up to the
minute" facts concerning the project.
Juerd
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On 10/24/05, Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 10/24/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > >Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about!
>
>
This really isn't a fear as much as it is a complaint. It has to do with
l experience they are
prevalent.
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>
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continuing maintenance?
And just to be clear for those reading at homejust
because I am asking doesn't mean I am volunteering.
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about being blocked from the list for about a year.
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--- "Clinton A. Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:34:05 -0500
> To: Joshua Gatcomb
he test
suite my prompt some one with tuits to fix this. It
may be that the fix itself is a design decision and
there is as of yet no ruling.
>
> Joshua Gatcomb should comment on whether or not this
> should be applied.
Apply away. I have held off making any modifications
waiting on anothe
> @array { ... }
is what I think it might be modeling it after the for
loop, but the closest thing I see in while is:
while =$*IN -> $line {...}
I am happy to write tests to get the appropriate
functionality in Pugs, but I am not sure what is
appropriate???
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> @array { ... }
is what I think it might be modeling it after the for
loop, but the closest thing I see for while is:
while =$*IN -> $line {...}
I am happy to write tests to get the appropriate
functionality in Pugs, but I am not sure what is
appropriate???
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to find out what, if anything, is the proper way
to do what I want. The worst that could happen is that I find out
there isn't a way to get a what matched from an any() eq any()
comparison.
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from
where I am sitting - you all are the ones that have done the hard
work. Having answered the questions enough times in p5 circles
though, it would be nice to have a real simple easy answer for p6.
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a coroutine", it is
clear there is more than one way to dictate behavior.
http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/blog/archives/000178.html
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On 5/4/05, Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/4/05, Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So without asking for S17 in its entirety to be written, is it
> > possible to get a synopsis of how p6 will do coroutines? I ask
> > because after re
On 5/4/05, Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/4/05, Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok - this isn't what I was expecting at all. That doesn't make it a
> > bad thing. Given something that looks a lot more like a typical
> >
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 2. All tests are now passing on Cygwin.
>
> Are signal and thread tests skipped or running?
No, they are both skipped. I am doing a bit more
research on this b
All:
While there are definately ICU issues on Cygwin, I
have gotten it to link to parrot both statically and
dynamically several different ways. The problem is
that the resulting parrot.exe coredumps upon
execution. I had always assumed that the problem was
related to ICU since it was immediately
blem?
>
> leo
Except for a few of the numbers changing, I get the
exact same results:
#4 0x004bd577 in enter_nci_method
(interpreter=0x100d1d28, type=26, func=0x47e040,
name=0x53d0f9 "thread1", proto=0x53d0f4 "vIOP") at
src/inter_misc.c:65
I am not sure where to go
th a bunch
of printf statements to see where variable values
deviated from my expectations.
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--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb wrote:
> > I am not sure where to go from here. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Ok, here is a sample debugging session:
>
> $ cat hello.pasm
>print "hello\n"
>end
>
> $ parrot
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb wrote:
> > (gdb) p *pool
> > $1 = {last_Arena = 0x1020, object_size = 32,
> > objects_per_alloc = 16382, total_objects = 2048,
> > num_free_objects = 2047, skip = 0,
> replenish_level =
>
be different.
> Anyway, the config system *should not* use perl5's
> types. Patches
> welcome. The same problem is, if perl5 is compiled
> with "long double"s.
>
> leo
I think this is something I could do if I knew what it
49.40 csys = 380.13 CPU)
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taking about 4 seconds.
parrot -j used to coredump
primes2.pasm with -j is now under 2 seconds.
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--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > parrot -j examples/benchmarks/primes2.pasm
> > exists_keyed() not implemented in class 'PerlInt'
>
> Ah. yep. Due to eliminating two vtable functions,
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > parrot -j examples/benchmarks/primes2.pasm
> > exists_keyed() not implemented in class 'PerlInt'
>
> Ah. yep. Due to eliminating two vtable functions,
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Working great now. Not sure why it took so long
before > I could see the update in CVS. Thanks and
please > disregard earlier message.
>
> Joshua Gatcomb
> a.k.a. Limbic~Region
Ok, I am an idiot. I didn't try the -j
t; Modified:build_tools jit2h.pl
This is really odd. I did "rm build_tools/jit2h.pl"
and then cvs update -dP and got back the same old
file. I made the 1 line change myself by hand. Now I
am getting
repeat() not implemented in class 'PerlInt'
> leo
or me. It picked up a handful of
changes. Then I verified that -j is now working.
I will shut up now. One should not be allowed to
operate computers when over tired without ample supply
of caffeine.
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okay.
make: *** [testj] Error 14
Not sure if this is expected or not.
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rrot_jit_debug_stabs
(interpreter=0x100d1d80) at src/jit_debug.c:348
348 fprintf(stabs, ".stabn " N_SLINE
",0,%d,%d /* %s */\n", line,
(gdb)
WRT arithmetics_26 that coredumps, but I can
debug/trace with JIT - what should I look for?
WRT trans_9-12,17,18 that does no
I am trying to nail down exactly how Cygwin behaves
with the various options turned on. I noticed that
testg does not have the -g option it should. I am on
my way out the door or I would provide a patch (I just
modified the Makefile directly for my testing).
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checkout each day I am
gainfully employed and ensure that new stuff only
makes this better and not worse. Hopefully it won't
take me too long to learn C though I have been using
Perl now for almost 2 years and I still feel like an
infant.
Cheers
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--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ... This is
> > the result of running 'make testj'.
>
> > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List
> of
> > Failed
> >
>
--- Jeff Clites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you run it in a debugger (gdb or whatever), you
> should be able to
> see where it's crashing.
Ok, after spending about 5 minutes figuring out what
gdb was and how to use it (did I mention I was
clueless) it looks like it isn't ICU at all
Pro
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (gdb) bt
> (gdb) p pmc
> /gdb) p *((Dead_PObj*)pmc)
> would be good.
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00419f6c in new_pmc_header (interpreter=0x100d1d68,
flags=1024) at src/headers.c:251
251 *((Dead_PObj*)pmc)->aren
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Above error is only possible, when ARENA_DOD_FLAGS
> is turned on. This
> switch relies on the presence of a working memalign
> function. The
> C<--gc> option isn't related to this. But you can
> turn off
> ARENA_DOD_FLAGS in include/parrot/pobj.h li
lieve this has anything to do with parrot
but I can't be sure since I needed to do it for
IO::Socket::SSL to work properly much earlier on.
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> Google around, if you can find signs of a broken
> memalign function on
> your system.
I am not exactly sure what to be looking for.
Everything, including parrot, was working fine prior
to April 7th. I returned from vacation and parrot was
no longer working. Nothing on the system
, 98.16% okay.
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owner = interpreter;
+MUTEX_INIT(PMC_sync(pmc)->pmc_lock);
+}
+}
+else
+pmc->pmc_ext = NULL;
+PObj_flags_SETTO(pmc, PObj_is_PMC_FLAG|flags);
pmc->vtable = NULL;
#if ! PMC_DATA_IN_EXT
PMC_data(pmc) = NULL;
#endif
-pmc->p
vironment WRT this being a problem with Win
ME or something that has changed within the last week.
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The FAQ at http://www.parrotcode.org
Also - is there any reason why some messages I send to
the list don't make it? I am not sure who does
maintenance on the list but the message I sent today
in regards to JIT on Cygwin did not make it.
Hopefully this one gets through
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> n
4 print N3
gdb> p N3
$2 = 4.4942328371557898e+307
If both N1 and N2 are not set prior to cosh, then
everything works fine. I am not sure how to debug
further than this though I have a week of C under my
belt now ;-)
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--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 4 print N3
> > gdb> p N3
> > $2 = 4.4942328371557898e+307
>
> > If both N1 and N2 are not set prior to cosh, then
> > everything works fine
work correctly while in
some cases (dependent on order) it does not.
Per our off-list conversation - I have googled for
problems with Cygwin and the math libs to no avail. I
hate to sound like a broken record, but I have no idea
where to go from here.
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myconfig versus the perl
-V for 5.8.4 that I built myself.
>
> leo
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it is relavent
let me know and I will send the outputs.
>
> leo
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when
converted to double, and zero when converted to
float.)
*/
I tried very unsuccesfully to get parrot to compile
using mingw btw.
> leo
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and failed miserably because of the Cygwin
math library problem. I began seeing syntax errors in
source files that weren't there before using the mingw
compiler option.
>
> jens
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d to be compiled with the same compiler"
type problem. The gcc is recent though compiling the
latest from the source is an option I am willing to
try if someone thinks it will work.
>
> jens
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Cygwin no longer requires --intval and --opcode size
changes in the Configure process to work correctly.
Additionally, the benchmarks appear to be running a
bit faster too.
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oblem fixed
since I seem to be the only one regularly using Cygwin
- so no rush - just figured I would point it out as
soon as possible.
I can also produce some JIT debugging if someone
thinks that will help:
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flag appears to have
fixed the JITed problem (though the handful of math
ops are still failing under Cygwin/JIT).
so in summary: From 2004-07-16 until something
changes, if you want to build on Cygwin with and have
JIT work using gcc 3.0 or higher, add
--ccflags=-mno-accumulate-outgoing-args
T
incidently - things are running much slower now using
--optimize and -j -O2
so how much is "much slower"
for primes2.pasm it was taking on average 2.15 real
seconds and is now taking on average 2.9
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--optimize --icushared='-licuuc -licudt'
--icuheaders=/usr/local/include
Obviously change your architecture and your ICU flags
accordingly - but that makes parrot really fly ;-)
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to a system ICU we do that.
C. Have someone volunteer to strip stuff out of the
3.0 version and start bundling that.
There are likely other options but as George pointed
out - we appear to be spending an awful lot of effort
making the old ICU work when upgrading would solve all
our problems (my
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All:
> > The ICU that is bundled with Parrot is old.
>
> > George Rhoten, an ICU developer, has suggested we
> > start shipping version 3.0 because:
>
Ok - so which way do we go?
A. Leave it as is
B. Upgrade to a bare bones 3.0
C. Upgrade to a full version of 3.0
D. Improve the config/gen/icu.pl with any of the
previous options
E. Something else entirely?
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table version of ICU source, build it, and note
anything "special" they needed to do to get it
working. Those things should make putting a newer
version into CVS a realistic possibility. I am
volunteering for Cygwin (yeah I know - big surprise
there).
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It is also a very quick hack because I was on my lunch
break.
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benchmark
Description: benchmark
if I can't
get back to what I was seeing before.
Either way - I think it is a good thing to keep track
of our performance impact when making changes -
perhaps I will get more motivated and make the code a
bit more robust and use parrotbench instead of my
homegrown stuff.
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data collection script and the script to make it
into a web page.
I don't know what kind of layout/data would be useful
to people so let me know if you want something else.
I will update every Tuesday morning.
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--- Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Here is the modified parrotbench script along with
> the
> new data collection script and the script to make it
> into a web page.
>
> I don't know what kind of layout/data would be
> useful
> to people so let
Much greater control using ini configuration
3. Output is "pretty"
4. Lots of bugs squashed (probably more introduced)
5. POD updated
6. Multiple regexes allowed for benchmarks to be run
7. Multiple regexes allowed for benchmarks to be
skipped
8. Probably some stuff I am forgetting
> Additionaly, maybe later it would be better to just
> drop the sqlite database and ue rrd directly?
I still have a few ideas for improving parrotbench.pl.
When I am done with those, I will confer with you on
getting the storage format worked out.
> Regards,
> Jerome
> --
> [EMA
2.78% 20
2 tests and 53 subtests skipped.
Failed 2/120 test scripts, 98.33% okay. 29/1828
subtests failed, 98.41% okay.
make: *** [test] Error 14
Not that you need to ask, but Cygwin ;-)
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--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > t/pmc/nci.t28 716835 28 80.00%
> 1-27
>
> strange.
>
> > t/pmc/perlhash.t1 256361 2.78% 20
>
> Only that one is
--- Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Enhancements:
> 1. Should be platform independent now
> 2. Much greater control using ini configuration
> 3. Output is "pretty"
> 4. Lots of bugs squashed (probably more introduced)
I found a few and have erradicat
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gatcomb wrote:
> > This might help shed some light:
> >
> > $ cd t/pmc
> > $ parrot nci_1.pasm
>
> Not really. bash: parrot: command not found ;)
> You got an old parrot around somewhere in the
pe = const_string(interpreter,
< PMC_struct_val(lib_pmc) ? "Ops" :
"PMC");
< }
< /*
< * call init, if it exists
< */
---
> /* get init_func */
298,299c314,316
< if (init_func)
< (init_func)(interpreter, lib_pmc);
---
&g
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think I could track it down. It wasn't strictly
> NCI related, though.
I guess you didn't need me to track down the CVS
changes as this fixed the problem - THANKS.
Cheers
Joshua Gatcom
result
is different:
loaded runtime/parrot/dynext/libnci.so
vs
loaded libnci.so
Before I started digging around I was wondering if
someone might want to whack me with the clue stick.
Cheers
Joshua Gatcomb
a.k.a. Limbic~Region
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is b0rk. I would think
portability is a good thing but don't go changing
things on my account yet. When I get the time, I will
investigate.
Cheers
Joshua Gatcomb
a.k.a. Limbic~Region
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Divorce internals from interface.
2. Add what's missing.
3. Fix what's broke.
4. Delay optimizing working code in favor of 2 & 3.
Since the usual purpose of a point release is to have
features finished and bugs squashed, it may be a good
time for another release.
What say you?
Cheer
gwin
** You need to enable the signal tests by adding
cygwin to t/pmc/signals.t
*** The only failing tests are if you enable the
threading tests as annotated above
> leo
I used to have Win ME to test but no longer so I don't
know what 9x/ME would turn up
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