Re: [opensource-dev] Leapmotion and Second Life

2013-06-25 Thread Robert Martin
i would think that if it sends standard keystrokes it should work as well as any version of this tech. Im not sure if the hooks are still in place but there was at one time baked in support for a 3d controller in the client code. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Laurent Bechir wrote: > Hello, >

Re: [opensource-dev] Not all Open Source developers are honest...

2013-06-01 Thread Robert Martin
i see the confusion the date stamp for the message is all the way at the bottom left 2013-06-01 16:22:34 On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:40:16 +0200, Martin Fürholz wrote: > > > Hi Henri, > > I'm curious: > > why are you posting a link to this mai

Re: [opensource-dev] lack of respectful communications on opensl and other viewer irc channels

2013-04-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM, glen wrote: > It seems that all discussion happens at the inworld meetings > that not everyone can attend and I believe that's just as bad as it's > still a barrier to participation. > or worse meetings that are being held 98% in VOICE (and of course no recordin

[opensource-dev] Current status on non-biped/giga|micro mesh avatars

2013-01-10 Thread Robert Martin
What is the current status on how SL handles mesh avatars that are not quite "standard"?? as an example if im using a Dire Wolf mesh avatar (and its properly rigged) will it work with quad animations?? Please do not just link to some semi random LL wiki page only link if it covers large/small and

[opensource-dev] Paging Marine kelly || SL should have an offical version of RLV

2012-09-12 Thread Robert Martin
First off could MarineKelly please email me directly?? (i have some RLV questions i want to ask the source) Also a lot of the "we won't implement X because its 'unsafe'" type things could be solved quickly by having an Advanced Actor Actions API. I would suggest having the current RLV API used as

Re: [opensource-dev] ok this may sound dumb but what is the llphysicsextention package

2012-08-08 Thread Robert Martin
Could somebody hit the Jira with this so it can be hopefully properly handled by The Lindens??? (in lue of the normal Voting as required by "my" Rules of Order [wolf grin]) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here:

Re: [opensource-dev] New HTTP Library & Project Viewer

2012-08-03 Thread Robert Martin
One side bar to this is the problem of what order textures are being fetched Is the order still by oldest texture first or has that been fixed to nearest texture first?? ( it would help the expedience if the avatars textures were loaded first and then the stuff near to the avatar was loaded [follow

Re: [opensource-dev] Tutorial needed on TPV viewer-side AOs

2012-04-13 Thread Robert Martin
The only real thing that HUD AOs have that a client side AO can do is the various "buttons" for different things. I normally (back when i was inworld) used a Dire Wolf this has a bunch of different functions (different animations and recoloring things) also will we ever get a way to do a true Quad

[opensource-dev] MakeHuman and Mesh Avatars

2012-02-19 Thread Robert Martin
Recently MakeHuman gained the ability to use "custom" rigs as a test of this feature the first custom rig created (by my request) was a SecondLife compatible rig. This means that MakeHuman is about 89% of the way to being able to create Mesh Avatars. Could Somebody Linden see about getting them a b

Re: [opensource-dev] Questions on Mesh Avatars

2012-01-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Stickman wrote: > Robert, > > You know, I don't even know what mailing list this should go to. I > don't think there is a "general creators mailing list" for SL. Just > scripting. > the lack of a decent list for this is why i punted to the developers general list

[opensource-dev] Questions on Mesh Avatars

2012-01-25 Thread Robert Martin
Okay first off let me say that the documents on Mesh Avatars (unless they have been updated in the last week of so) are either outdated or partly fictional. Does anybody have access to a decent and complete spec as to what is needed to make a Rigged Mesh Avatar?? 1 mesh Complexity should be below X

Re: [opensource-dev] "Standard Human Mesh Avatar"???

2011-12-12 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Mike Chase wrote: > On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 10:25 -0700, Moriz Gupte wrote: >> Or to save some time, get the blender files from the link I provided >> earlier ... and examine the mesh files in blender >> R > > Yep, Gaia's project is very relevant. It include 2 meshes

Re: [opensource-dev] "Standard Human Mesh Avatar"???

2011-12-12 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Dahlia Trimble wrote: > The MakeHuman mesh is probably far too complex (vertex count) to allow > reasonable real-time  performance for many users with less than the best > graphics cards. There's probably other meshes available on other 3d content > sites which are

Re: [opensource-dev] "Standard Human Mesh Avatar"???

2011-12-10 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Moriz Gupte wrote: > Hey there may be something here > http://blog.machinimatrix.org/avatar-workbench/ > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Robert Martin > wrote: >> >> Does anybody have (and would like to share) a Normal Human Mes

[opensource-dev] "Standard Human Mesh Avatar"???

2011-12-10 Thread Robert Martin
Does anybody have (and would like to share) a Normal Human Mesh Avatar?? As part of playing with MakeHuman i would like to be able to use it to make Mesh Avatars but i need to sort out the right workflow. things that are currently NOT DOCUMENTED 1 what should be the maximum number of vertexes in

[opensource-dev] Standard Reference Mesh Avatars anybody??

2011-09-06 Thread Robert Martin
given that the Mesh docs seem to be a dogs breakfast does anybody have interest in creating a set of "reference" Avatars (with Clothing maybe??)? Im thinking that it would help say the Make Human project if they had something to look at to see where they would need to end up (if they wanted to supp

Re: [opensource-dev] ok wtf is this?

2011-09-06 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Nicky D. wrote: > As strange as this might sound, 6/12 GB might be too much. > > There are a lot of casts down to U32. There might be a hidden overflow there, > turning some counter into a very small number. > ___ it may

[opensource-dev] Current status of Mesh??

2011-08-31 Thread Robert Martin
Does anybody know of some sort of documentation on the ins and outs of mesh?? And before you say the SL wiki everything there is one or more of 1 Outdated 2 FICTIONAL 3 without any actual details (unless of course its been massively updated in the last week or so) Questions i have 1 what is the c

Re: [opensource-dev] [JIRA] Proposal - Default Search settings on jira.secondlife.com

2011-08-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, opensourceobscure wrote: > Currently, if you search multiple keywords on jira.secondlife.com > you get result that include at least one of the keywords > in Summary OR Description OR Comments fields. > actually i would like to see ALL KEYWORDS set as default on all

Re: [opensource-dev] Please Edit Subject Line and referenced message

2011-08-17 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mimika Oh wrote: > On 2011-08-17, at 17:42, Daniel wrote: > >> ... As somone who typically has 7 viewer versions >> installed for testing, I would be gun-shy of logging in with any of them >> if it means losing my accounts. > > +1 > > (or maybe +7?) If it is found

Re: [opensource-dev] Question about DD philosophy.

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Martin
What i would think should happen is 1 a very clear set of controls (a set of sliders with a number input box would be good) 2 a way to control any kind of auto set function (min max and OFF maybe) 3 a very clearly stated wiki page on this function to explain what is going on btw it is a function

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Review viewer -- draw distance slider

2011-06-14 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:59 PM,   wrote: >  But one thing i don't think i've > seen in the discussion, wouldn't it be a good idea to have an auto-reset > take place on every tp?  Have it go to some standard value that works > pretty good most places, and it'll save forgetful or excited people > p

Re: [opensource-dev] question SL tracking data

2011-05-26 Thread Robert Martin
My thoughts on this revolve around maybe coding the needed "triggers" into the viewer and then require each device to have a map of its controls to what the viewer is expecting. we would need triggers for 1 Primary Secondary and Tetrary "buttons" 2 plus and minus translate for each of the X Y Z ax

[opensource-dev] Mesh support current status???

2011-04-16 Thread Robert Martin
Does anybody have a WORKING link to what the current state of mesh is? Im particularly interested in what work has been done on Mesh based avatars. Bonus if somebody has an idea as to if we will have mesh on the main grid before say third quarter this year. -- Robert L Martin

[opensource-dev] Wild idea on building an install platform

2011-02-19 Thread Robert Martin
As a sidebar to the whole autobuild system it would be cool if somebody could download a program and then verify that they have a Valid install platform (bonus points if it could also download the missing parts (i suppose that you could only pop the webpage for MS VStudio). -- Robert L Martin ___

Re: [opensource-dev] FW: Using 'autobuild' to build the viewer

2011-01-27 Thread Robert Martin
Just tossing this out if you have any kind of .edu address then MS Dreamspark is a way to get the full Visual Studio legitimately. So what this will enable somebody to yank down the source and then without doing File Voodoo do a compile run?? -- Robert L Martin __

Re: [opensource-dev] from debug to prefences

2011-01-24 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Trilo Byte wrote: > Perhaps the experimental/developer-related debug settings should be > accessible from the Developer menu (further removing it from casual users).   > Then an 'Advanced Preferences' floater could be made available from the > Advanced Menu.  Thi

[opensource-dev] Why no single axis resize on linked prims??

2011-01-09 Thread Robert Martin
Does anybody know of a good reason why when you are resizing a set of linked prims you do not have the single axis resize?? (also could we get a way to resize a linkset with 0.001 meters as a floor not as a locking measurement?) -- Robert L Martin ___ P

Re: [opensource-dev] https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SH-489

2011-01-09 Thread Robert Martin
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Ponzu wrote: > Can someone give a cheap estimate of how hard this will be to fix? > if it is easy to fix, I agree that it should be done soon. i would say that a full audit of the hover text submodule would be in order (say 4 hours of junior grade programmer??)

[opensource-dev] not quite off topic how to have server switched to an RC channel??

2010-11-13 Thread Robert Martin
Im part of an rp and we have a problem that one of our sims is on the release channel and the rest are on magnum how can this be fixed?? -- Robert L Martin the problem is that walking from this sim to the rest is about impossible ___ Policies and (un)su

Re: [opensource-dev] Infinite loop in viewer-development?

2010-11-10 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: > See the archive for my rant on using the word "latest". in short please For The Love Of The One True Prim please give the repo tag/build number of which viewer you are talking about. -- Robert L Martin ___

Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin

2010-10-28 Thread Robert Martin
getting back to what i said 1 the uninstaller should state that it is removing the profile data (best thing to do would be to zip it and put it in a folder on the desktop) 2 TPVs should by default not use the default secondlife profile folder (i would bet that 40% of SL/TPV problems could be solv

Re: [opensource-dev] Files deleted by uninstaller don't appear in Recycle Bin

2010-10-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:51 PM, SuezanneC Baskerville wrote: > The uninstaller asks if you want to delete files left in the SL program > files folder and then if you answer yes it proceeds to delete not only files > in the SL program folder, it also deletes files in the Application Data and > Loc

[opensource-dev] Updating the Meshes and Morphs to export to DAE format possible??

2010-10-23 Thread Robert Martin
Since the Jira got stomped during the last upgrade i was thinking at this point if we wanted to update the meshes and morphs dialog (which has been picked up by a few TPVs) we might as well have it export the avatar as a .dae package. This will allow folks to base a Mesh avatar on the "legacy" mesh

Re: [opensource-dev] FW: STORM-255 Project Build posted

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, WolfPup Lowenhar wrote: > Thank you Oz for doing that. > > > > Fellow OS dev’s please let me know of any changes that might be need. And > also translations would be helpful as well. > > err a bit of a doc bug "Both Linden Lab and Thrid Party Viewers (TPV) may post

Re: [opensource-dev] As a content creator, I would like...

2010-10-18 Thread Robert Martin
I think the only way to do this would be for LL to have (maybe as a Premium benefit) some sort of webstorage to save assets then you would seen to run a sync program to link a local folder to the webstorage (and then to the asset farm) -- Robert L Martin _

Re: [opensource-dev] Jira Issue Resolution Issue

2010-10-11 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Kent Quirk (Q Linden) wrote: > If the reason is that we can't use the issue the way it's written, then > please don't reopen it, write a new and better one. Just make sure on the Linden side we have a few things laid out 1 if a linden closes a jira then there sh

Re: [opensource-dev] How is the XUI part of the interface designed?

2010-10-06 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Rob Nelson wrote: > There's a GUI editor, but last I checked, only LL employees and a select few > really know how to use it;  The manual is still in some LL wiki somewhere. > > Rob oh really could Some Linden please put both on the public wiki somewhere?? -- Rob

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Unity 3D as possible base / 2.x Codebase plugin capable?

2010-10-04 Thread Robert Martin
-- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Martin Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unity 3D as possible base / 2.x Codebase plugin capable? To: Frans On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Frans wrote: > I really hope LL is not going to add a Mesh Editor

Re: [opensource-dev] 2.0 Absolute Dealbreaker - script count feature request

2010-10-02 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM, miss c wrote: > THANK YOU, what he said.  Why lie and make up some weird inaccurate number > to leave people guessing, just give us a script counter, LOL. > what i would suggest is 1 have a way to see TOTAL scripts LSL scripts and Mono scripts 2 if any ARC type num

Re: [opensource-dev] crazy land idea

2010-09-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Rob Nelson wrote: >  How does the server figure out when the user's fallen off the terrain and > correct accordingly?  What about water fog effects?  How much of a > performance hit are we talking about?  Will this allow users to fly > underneath the terrain and h

[opensource-dev] crazy land idea

2010-09-25 Thread Robert Martin
I just wondering how complex an idea it would be to create an "exclude land/water from interior" flag on a prim. basically you could rez a prim sink it into the ground/water and suppress the ground mesh from the inside (or water depending on how low your prim is) any thoughts Jira entries or whate

Re: [opensource-dev] Mesh?

2010-09-25 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:27 PM, JB Hancroft wrote: > If it were renamed and some of it's "heritage" obscured, I could use it in > some business situations where it would be nice to have the functionality. > As it... can't go anywhere near RLV. > > Regards, > - JB > actually if the RLV api was ren

[opensource-dev] a Thought on fixing mega prims

2010-09-17 Thread Robert Martin
Im just dartboarding this but would it be possible to have some sort of secondary center marker on the ends of prims to enable showing that a prim encroaches on a neighboring parcel?? (primary center would be the geometric center of the object and the secondary centers would be the ends of the X Y

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: > We all seem like intelligent adults that could come to an agreement on how > to add priority to the issues that we would like to see addressed.  And yes > i work in an Agile dev software shop so im sorry about the lingo. > Opinions, and ideas o

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Martin
The things that i see as problems 1 folks seem to more or less "sleepwalk" through the newbie portal so that we folks in Help areas (i stalk NCI Kuula myself) get asked questions that are answered in the newbie portal. 2 folks seem to tp into the area and have no clue where they have arrived at (

Re: [opensource-dev] Encrypted chat & third-party servers

2010-08-25 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Has anyone spent time looking at the encrypted chat feature included in some > third-party viewers? you mean like THAT VIEWERs OTR feature?? 1 its badly broken anyway 2 it does not have a keyserver all keys are current session only (even t

Re: [opensource-dev] Malicious payloads in third-party viewers: is the policy worth anything?

2010-08-22 Thread Robert Martin
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, JB Hancroft wrote: > If the TPVP really matters, we'll see Emerald shut down from the TPVP > program, because of this accumulated nonsense. > If not, then it confirms that it's all just a paper chase. actually lets see whats going on here 1 the whole texture thin

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Martin
my thoughts are 1 the 2.* BACKEND is great (but needs to have some sort of SDK) 2 meetings should have Voice turned off just for performance reasons (plus the problem of getting a good record of what was actually said using voice) 3 SnowStorm is findable in the wiki but that link is a bit "off" 4

Re: [opensource-dev] list for builds from the new snowstorm viewer-development repository?=

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: >  Would it be useful if I set up a one-way mailing list for > announcements of build results for the new viewer-development repository? > > How does the name  viewer-development-bui...@lists.secondlife.com sound? > > Given that we

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Viewer Development Announcement

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote: .. > This change in how we do viewer development is a result of taking a good > hard self-critical look at what was working and what wasn't, and trying to > find a better way.  It was clear that: > > Viewer 2 would have benefited

[opensource-dev] Build notices missing change data??

2010-07-24 Thread Robert Martin
Is there any way to see what changed from build to build?? also does it seem like the build farm is triggering way to many times a day?? -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSo

Re: [opensource-dev] VWR-20006

2010-06-27 Thread Robert Martin
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > I know that part of this would require LL to contribute, i'm bringing > this up in the OSD list because i know somtimes an outside in approach > is possible, perhaps some developers

Re: [opensource-dev] voice morphing missing from viewer-external?

2010-06-11 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Kent Quirk (Q Linden) wrote: > Just getting the export process together. Sorry for the delay -- it should be > there today. > >        Q > > On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:17 AM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> after seeing the 2.1 announcement on the wiki I checked

Re: [opensource-dev] the last press release...

2010-06-10 Thread Robert Martin
What im seeing is something similar to the search for Altantis LL is thrashing about trying to get "The Big Score" and does not seem to know that they are going in the wrong direction (and besides Stargate: SG1 and Stargate: A gives us the "fact" that Atlantis is not "here"). What they are searchi

Re: [opensource-dev] icesphere

2010-05-27 Thread Robert Martin
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Dzonatas_Sol/Icesphere seems to be what website is availible hint for the developer 1 could you please get a website for this and not have your stuff scattered across 5 different sites 2 a patched build would be a good thing -- Robert L Martin _

Re: [opensource-dev] Banning by client

2010-05-01 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Glen Canaday wrote: > > [15:05] GC Continental: Compile it yourself - use the svn sources > [15:05] zFire Xue: but being that I have IDed Snowglobe over 2800 times > with the system, and then there is you, and 2 others... it doesnt look > good that you are such a ra

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV directory ?

2010-04-29 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:30 AM, wrote: > Henri Beauchamp wrote .. > >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:41:50 -0700, Rob Nelson wrote: >> >> > This is a bad idea, as the TPV violators would merely migrate to a >> > non-blacklisted viewer. >> >> If they do, and after some time, the only non-blacklisted vi

[opensource-dev] kindof OT but .. Teens on the Main grid (linden response only please)

2010-04-26 Thread Robert Martin
If i have run into a person that is on the main grid but is underage not including doing an AR is there a "nicer" way to have the account ported to the teen grid? Bonus if there is a Linden that exists on both grids that can handle it. -- Robert L Martin __

Re: [opensource-dev] Fwd: [gnu.org #566095] Possible Licensing Conflict

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Gigs wrote: > Ron Festa wrote: >> Not really. If you're a user basically that means you have to stop using >> that viewer if you want to continue access. If you are a developer it >> means you have to remove the ability to connect to SL. Again as per the >> FSF rul

Re: [opensource-dev] Quiet amendments of TPV (again)

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Joe Linden wrote: > Boy, > > There was nothing quiet, or "in the background" about it, believe me.  This > update is the topic of conversation at the noon PDT brown bag I'm hosting > today.  The changes were pushed live ahead of the meeting, so there would be > no

Re: [opensource-dev] Requesting Linden Response: Please move TPVP Topics to a different mailing list

2010-04-15 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: > A quick note on that - this is not the whole meeting, some of the > start was missing > suggestion for the next meeting MAKE IT TEXT CHAT ONLY. how much of the meeting was lost to overhead related to voice links getting garbled or relaying i

Re: [opensource-dev] impending lawsuit?

2010-04-14 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Ambrosia wrote: > He's supposedly going after rival products. > and the big problem is how he is defining "rival products" hes claiming copyright on any gesture In the form of dd 0 wait 1 dd 4 wait 1 dd 8 wait 1 .. dd 64 (or whatever the set normal draw distance

Re: [opensource-dev] Viewers in the directory are being impersonated already

2010-04-13 Thread Robert Martin
Dusting off an old statement The 3PVp will be a semi joke until LL decides to put up a compile farm and begin creating "signed builds". Even not using proxies and other cloaking all somebody has to do is get the source for a listed viewer and then hack and recompile. Oh and They can't wait until

[opensource-dev] Mutli-layer images (RFC)

2010-04-11 Thread Robert Martin
With all this talk over changing how clothes work i was thinking Why don't we code for Multi-layer images? Leave the clothing layers as numbered but include support for having multiple layers in a texture. an example of how it could work (and yes it would be very complicated so we may need to targ

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Semi-transparent UI, other modifications to viewer 2 UI (was: Two Worlds)

2010-04-11 Thread Robert Martin
-- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Martin Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Semi-transparent UI, other modifications to viewer 2 UI (was: Two Worlds) To: Boroondas Gupte On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > On 04/11/2010

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-09 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Argent Stonecutter wrote: > Holding the meeting in voice already excludes people. The last time I > tried to enable voice for a meeting with a Linden I couldn't actually > get it to work. The dot came up, and my computer was receiving data > because his dot was sho

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

2010-04-09 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: > Would Skype be an option? > --piping up from the peanut gallery... > 1 not every stake holder even has skype 2 still has the not recordable problem 3 would it even scale to the needed level?? -- Robert L Martin __

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

2010-04-09 Thread Robert Martin
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:37:00 +0200, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > >> Voice is a no-no for me. Being French, I can't speak and understand >> spoken English (and worst, American English...) well and fast enough >> to hold a conversation in voice. > also unless im not mistaken holding it in Voice also gu

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV: The status of the Viewer Community

2010-04-09 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Boy Lane wrote: > Viewers partly ceased/unsure: > OMV, some code removed (full/text) > Emerald, no statement (full) The Emerald Developers have stated that they will have a complient viewer out by the deadline. -- Robert L Martin

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-08 Thread Robert Martin
As a sidebar to this is the documents on how to compile the viewer actually current?? If somebody would be willing to walk me through this i could help find out what is correct (note i have Mandriva 2010) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscri

Re: [opensource-dev] Soft body physics

2010-04-07 Thread Robert Martin
What may be a stopgap would be to have different "levels" of collision detection so if you have say 4 levels of detection then do the lowest level on the server and work with the other 3 levels client side (have a skirt bounce back from the legs but leave exactly which way it bounces on clientside

[opensource-dev] question on settings for the 2.0 built-in browser

2010-04-05 Thread Robert Martin
Some of the noise surrounding 2.0 concerns the lack of adblocking and other privacy enhancing things that can be used with the browser. so if somebody could point me to the answers for the following questions that would be "spiffy" 1 the BiB is htmlkit/safari correct? 2 how could a person install

Re: [opensource-dev] So you don't like the new TOS and wanna move to the OS grid?

2010-04-04 Thread Robert Martin
The "problem" with patches not making it to the core opensim server is that recently they went ripping through the server to enforce a better order to things so you could write a patch that did solve a problem but was useless to the CURRENT code. I think most of the core functions has become stable

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Martin
The big problem can be stated as Tivoization The GPL allows you to make any changes you wish to the code (and require you to allow folks to change you code). The Third Party Viewer Policy creates a Huge list of things that you can't do with the code (and connect to SL) especially if you include t

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-03-31 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Morgaine wrote: > Tayra, I don't think you understand how law works. > > TPV developers cannot appear in a court of law and tell the judge, "Judge, > I'm not liable to this plaintiff, because Tayra Dagostino's interpretation > of the TPV says that it doesn't apply

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-03-30 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Morgaine wrote: > Marine, you raise a good question, but it's hard to give a reasonable answer > to a "what if" question about a totally unreasonable TPV policy.  :-) > > The fact that the TPV document places the burden of liability for LL's own > bugs (and many ot

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extendingavatarwearables

2010-03-26 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Argent Stonecutter wrote: Doing this right (ie, starting from a clean slate, or going to 'new type' clothing with legacy wearables mapped to the new scheme when edited): 1. All tops would have a lower part. It would just be empty for many wearables. 2. The defaul

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-23 Thread Robert Martin
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Nyx Linden wrote: >  The current iteration of the appearance floater needs to go away. The > current implementation has been held together with chicken wire, bubble > gum, and duct tape. It works for now, but it won't hold up to the > addition of multiple wearable

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-22 Thread Robert Martin
While you are working in this area one killer feature would be to have a way to create a "base outfit" list colors and then have the program create copies with each color (looking at the xml export files this would be just a matter of UUID patching and flipping 3 fields in the data) Bonus points

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-21 Thread Robert Martin
While i agree that this maybe could have been phrased better if you look the GPL Violation due to liability concerns may not actually be valid #include standardIANAL.h the liability tree goes LL is liable for the servers being fit for purpose and is also liable for Gross Negligence for as distribu

Re: [opensource-dev] Proposal: Howto add a new feature to snowglobe.

2010-03-18 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Carlo Wood wrote: > In what respect did I miss this? > > Are you implying that it should be possible to add new features > that Linden Lab *disagrees* with? > > If not, and as you say they don't disagree with VWRAP, then I don't > see the issue. VWRAP compatibility

Re: [opensource-dev] oh give me a break

2010-03-15 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Lawson English wrote: > Tigro Spottystripes wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> People can still simply sell the L$ for a fraction of the market price >> directly to other people, without ever going thru an exchange service, >> that's h

Re: [opensource-dev] oh give me a break

2010-03-14 Thread Robert Martin
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, k\o\w wrote: > .. OpenSim will never be a replacement for what the Linden grid > provides, and is a wonderful tool that I hope a lot of client devs are > using to enhance their development process. ... And of course since OpenSim is dirt cheap a company that is th

Re: [opensource-dev] "Bookmark" other residents

2010-03-12 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > On 03/12/2010 07:49 PM, Martin Spernau wrote: > > A bit like a LM really, only for a profile > > This sounds suspiciously like calling cards. Maybe we should allow to create > them by other ways than only by giving your own to someone? > >

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

2010-03-12 Thread Robert Martin
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Martin Spernau wrote: > Am 12.03.2010 um 17:47 schrieb Soft Linden: >> With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be >> signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. > > Which is why my feeling is that it makes more sense to add

[opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

2010-03-01 Thread Robert Martin
Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) SecondLife 2.0 viewer?? (aka what did they fix and whats newly broken) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-03-01 Thread Robert Martin
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > set the media url to something that is not an url to a video, but the url of a > script that exploits something in quicktime to gather data about the client > requesting that url, and poof you have all kind of cans of worms wide open. > > >

[opensource-dev] question on SL/SG 2.0 avatar backend

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Martin
ive been trying to get somebody to code an editor for SL clothing and one of the things ive found is a file deep somewhere in the tree that has the parameters of the avatar in a nice neat list. The question is since i seem to have dumped the original could somebody remind me where this file is in t

Re: [opensource-dev] Client-side scripting in Snowglobe

2010-02-18 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Morgaine wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Dahlia Trimble > wrote: >> >> To me, an environment such as SL or the web in general tend to attract a >> few malicious developers, or more so, companies and individuals who are >> interested in collecting persona

Re: [opensource-dev] Client-side scripting in Snowglobe

2010-02-18 Thread Robert Martin
My suggestion would be to in cases where policies and such are being decided that LL not have an office hour (or a couple office hours) but an office DAY and yes im suggesting that a linden or lindens put in a full 12 hour time where folks can discuss the subject. Even if Y'all did it tag team sty

Re: [opensource-dev] SecondLife 2.0 beta download????

2010-02-17 Thread Robert Martin
ive noticed that there is a link on the secondlife.com dashboard to download sl 2.0 (with a target of http://secondlife.com/beta-viewer/) is this a case of released to soon or what?? -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information av

Re: [opensource-dev] step by step guide to compiling snowglobe

2010-02-17 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Mike Monkowski wrote: > Seems like you're looking for a shortcut.  The main Snowglobe page says >> The Get source and compile page gives general information about how to >> compile the source. For a quick step-by-step instruction for building on >> Linux, see Co

[opensource-dev] edit appearance dialog where is the code??

2010-02-08 Thread Robert Martin
I have an idea for a program that would just about need to reimplement the edit appearance dialog and i was wondering how self contained is the code for the dialog (bonus round question what files are used?)? I would need just the settings sliders not the thumbnails or any of the rendered views. A