I think people should assume that opensolaris as you know it is over.
opensolaris is a consumer desktop os developed by sun, and that has no place in
the oracle future.
I assume oracle will accelerate the transition of solaris to the opensolaris
code and build systems, and it will remain o
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10187181-1.html
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/apple-airport-extreme-time-capsule-updated/
[i]But the feature that really has us grinning is Guest Network. It allows
owners to set up their own computers, as well as a secondary network for
visitors to
> I'm not a developer, just a Sys Admin with an appreciation for good
> technology. Not communicating with the community is quite off putting.
I agree, OPENSOLARIS is a misleading name at times
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> Few, but some
Hmm in that case it WOULD make sense for outside developers to know what is
going on. Maybe the opensolaris organization inside sun doesn't keep outside
developers up to speed because the development information is proprietary or a
trade secret.
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> Wouldn't making this information available on regular
> basis and in
> timely fashion provide a a valuable service to all
> the OpenSolaris
> developers ?
There are opensolaris developers outside of sun?!?!
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> Could there be a minimal install cd in time for
> OpenSolaris 2008.11 for people setting up servers,
> older PC's, installing on the eeepc, etc and
> otherwise have space requirements?
>
> I have seen a few requests on Help and I have
> suggested Milax Server. But Milax is not based on
> IPS. So
> One of the things I notice on the #opensolaris IRC is
yeah opensolaris has a lot of hands and none of them know what all of the
others are doing :)
> I believe that the way to go would be to have a separate #opensolaris-help
> channel
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> I have read about Solaris packaging projects that
> extend pkg, however I am not convinced of the
> effectiveness of building on a packaging system that
> demonstrates several limitations. To mention only
> two, are:
> - the lack of a standard package building method
> - the lack of dependencies
> When I used to install Solaris 8 I could create a
> minimal install of about 300MB.
>
> How can I do the same with OpenSolaris 2008.05 ?
>
> When I boot the live cd then click to install, it
> tells me the minimum is 3GB.
The closest distros to that right now are NexentaCore and MilaX. Nexent
> It's an interesting idea, but I think it needs some
> clarification. Do
> you mean organization within the OpenSolaris
> community itself or
> within Sun?
>
> If you mean the community, then we don't really have
> that yet. We
> have Members, Contributors, and Core Contributors
> (among other
> All (apologies in advance for cross-posting),
> I'd like to have a requirements gathering session
> with all of you and OGB,
I for one appreciate this inviting notice to the community!
I have a suggestion though. This comes from the fact that I don't know who you
are. :) Since I don't know
> Reggie wrote:
> > Some new features I would like to see would be a
> restart option in the quit menu, more packages
> included in the live cd yeah.
>
> The Live CD is the size of a full CD already - which
> packages would
> you like evicted from it to make more room for the
> ones you want added
> There are TONS of code that my System V packages run, in order to reach full
> hands-off automation.
>
> What am I supposed to do now?!?!?!?
You should tell the IPS developers what requirements you need met, that way
everyone can see if any sheep have been left in the pasture!!! :-)
This
> How to update Opensolaris 2008.05 to build 90
The short answer is that you can't.
You can only upgrade to the packages Sun puts in the pkg.opensolaris.org
repository, and they haven't updated those yet. They say they plan to update
them frequently, but as to when that will be, you guess
> Should I read that as "Sun doesn't really want to make Solaris a mainstream
> O/S?"
No, you should read that as Microsoft has 20x the market value of Sun, and that
is reflected in how much product development Sun can do, and how fast they can
do it...
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> While I'm all for fast, stable operating systems, this is 2008, there should
> be no excuse for not having even basic GUI interfaces for your installed
> hardware, drivers, versions, etc.
> Can SUN not even do that? I'm amazed.
Basically the answer to your question is yes, they can not do tha
> Here's a link to a recent blog entry of Jeff Bonwick,
> lead engineer of
> ZFS, showing him with Linus Torvalds, making
> mysterious comments in a
> blog post that's tagged ZFS.
>
> I hate to be a scaremongerer, but are we about to
> lose one major
> advantage over the "competition"?
>
> I mean
FYI NexentaCore and NexentaStor are two different distributions.
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> The .com forums run exactly the same forum software.
That is surprising to me given all the past complaints about jive!
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> Perhaps we should move to the opensolaris.com forum
> to help doing the debugging:
>
> http://forums.opensolaris.com/index.jspa
>
> (The new forum seems to be better designed and more
> functional than the 'ol Jiva forum, IMHO.)
This post is officially where opensolaris.org jumped the shark.
> 6. NexentaCP 1.0 (b82+)
FYI there are two Nexenta-branded distributions. The free and open source
NexentaCore, and the enterprise product NexentaStor. I believe both are based
on b85 today.
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> does anyone know about the chances of Solaris supporting these chipsets soon?
alanc gave you the most accurate answer.
But if I had to guess, I'd say the chance of Solaris support soon is 0% :)
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> 1. You can shut down an external graphic cards and only use the integrated
> graphic when surfing, showing highdef movies etc. And it uses very low power
> due to the 55nm.
Don't you think it will only work with AMD cards? 9800GT is made by Nvidia.
Besides, when modern video cards go idle o
> With Virtual Box on the scene, the OpenSolaris virtual solutions provide
> more and better ways to connect OpenSolaris to other environments.
I feel as though I'm reading a Sun Microsystems press release here.
I think it is an insult to Virtual Box (and the reader) to imply that Virtual
Box
> # zpool status
> pool: raid
> tate: UNAVAIL
> status: One or more devices could not be opened.
> There are insufficient
> replicas for the pool to continue
> functioning.
> ction: Attach the missing device and online it using
> 'zpool online'.
>see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-D3
> ru
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7886/dilogosolarisreflectedbyy5.png
Nice user name by the way!
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Ahh so NexentaCP is now called NexentaCore. Hopefully this is the last time
you'll have to change the name :)
I for one welcome our new NexentaCore overlords.
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John Weekley wrote:
> Someone from Sun told me a few years ago (ca. 2000 or
> so) that it cost Sun $17.00 per download, I don't recall how many
> successful downloads there were, but about the only money that flowed
> was from Sun to it's ISP's.
Bringing that up is FUD IMHO. Internet economics we
> Nexenta Core Platform (NexentaCP) RC3 is available
I find that NexentaCP has quickly grown into my favorite OpenSolaris
distribution. I believe it set out to be a basic "core platform", and it has
succeeded impressively at that.
I believe that it was the first to implement modern package man
> I searched arround but still not figure it out what
> app is equavalent to yum in linux and
> portsnap in freebsd? Just for purpose example update
> to latest firefox app etc.
> Thank you very much :)
PS: To get new apps you can use the Blastwave service which is graciously
provided by members
> I searched arround but still not figure it out what
> app is equavalent to yum in linux and
> portsnap in freebsd? Just for purpose example update
> to latest firefox app etc.
> Thank you very much :)
The short answer is "nothing yet."
The long answer is "http://opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/
> The irony of this thread when read in the context of
> understanding the code in build 81 is rather
> notable.
>
> Tim
Remind me again of what you are talking about
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> Have you tried installing the smb package?
>
> % sudo apt-get install sunwsmbsu
That definitely worked thank you :)
After enabling smb it reports some things, not sure if they are nexentacp
specific or not, if so I'll take it to a launchpad bug report.
svcadm: svc:/milestone/network depends
> have you disabled samba?
>
> svcadm disable samba
I did that and it didn't make a difference.
I'm sorry I didn't give you the full error text, I just figured I had run into
something obvious.
The full error:
# svcadm disable samba
# svcadm enable -r smb/server
svcadm: Pattern 'smb/server'
the nexentacp version missing some parts of 79 or...?
Thanks,
MC
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> I've just installed NCP 1.0test3 and
> updated/upgraded it with the
> unstable repository in apt.nexenta.org, but aftert
> rebooting, just
> after the kernel logo, the machine reboots.
> What can I send you to understand what's wrong?
> Thanks,
> Nico
Apparently to get NexentaCP going yo
> Here is information that NSA may have access into Windows Vista
Last I heard:
- The Bush administration has illegally wiretapped American phones.
- AT&T has allegedly let the federal government illegally tap their entire
network, which amounts to just about all internet traffic flow in the US
> Why can't we stick to OpenSolaris community and
> development issues rather than getting sucked into corporate politics?
I don't know what is true and untrue in this thread, but I think what these
guys are getting at is that if someone at Sun Microsystems can do this to
OpenDS: "Sun’s intenti
> Anybody have any additional facts
Someone in another thread said to wait until at least b79 before using the CIFS
server :)
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> > Martin Bochnig wrote:
> > > The funniest thing: I'm still only a plain
> > contributor in the xwin-community, so is Moinak
> > Ghosh!!!
> > >
> > Have you emailed the X Window System Community and
> > asked for core
> > contributor status? I'm sure you are more than
> > qualified.
> >
> >
> (It's one of several links I'd remove
> if I
> controlled the sidebar, along with the duplication of
> the
> "Portal" and "All Communities"/"All Projects" links.)
>
> --
> -Alan Coopersmith-
> - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System
> em Engineering
+1 to the p
> If Sun management has decided it wants to move from the democratic
> model of open source project to the benevolent dictator model, it
> needs to come out and say so.
Bold and underline this one, baby!
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> By the way (and not directed just at you), speaking of "Sun" as a
> decision-maker is unhelpful in my view. "Sun" is a legal fiction[1]
> and plenty of people with divergent opinions in this community work
> speak on its behalf. It is far better to name names when a decision
> is concerned - they
> I want to echo Mr. Murdock's sentiment: I really can't understand why the big
> fuss is > about. Linus writes no more than 5% of the Linux kernel, but, like
> it or not, he has > (at least used to have) absolute control over the release
> of and everything there is > to do with Linux.
If that
> I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Not in the least
> bit.
>
> -ian
That is unexpected for me, but it explains why things have happened the way
they've happened.
Simply put, there has been a public perception for years that "OpenSolaris" is
not just a mechanical arm of Sun Microsystems.
"Good work" to all those who contributed to making this release happen (and
happen on time!). I'm told this was no small feat!!! :)
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> We made a point that the distros should have a
> "minimum reference standard" at the least. If an ISV
> goes off and builds 'Solaris' packages, a common set
> of core libs and binaries should exist amongest all
> distro to be called "Indiana-compatible" or whatever.
>
> Kinda like Nvidia has a "
> If Project Indiana wished to rename itself
> "OpenSolaris", one of the
> CGs that sponsored Project Indiana should have their
> OGB facilitator
> make a request to the OGB to have a community-wide
> vote to allow
> Indiana to be use the name "OpenSolaris".
+1 :)
Or even better, Project Indiana
> The A C B ordering that's being used here is certainly novel.
Yeah. It's a problem because it makes the system look like a joke. And I
don't care about the system, but if you've got it, you better use it.
Otherwise you'll be patriots-of-convenience. Get busy using it or get busy
dissolvin
PS:
> Followups set to trademark-policy-dev at opensolaris dot org .
Web users following this discussion on jive cannot participate if the
discussion is not on jive. So I suggest you continue it out in the open on the
public general discuss or indiana lists/forums.
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> MC wrote:
> > Not that I care for bureaucracy, and not that I
> know what is happening here, but...
> >
> > I think if you strong-arm past the OpenSolaris
> community bureaucracy (and again, not saying you are,
> because I don't know much about it), it'll
Not that I care for bureaucracy, and not that I know what is happening here,
but...
I think if you strong-arm past the OpenSolaris community bureaucracy (and
again, not saying you are, because I don't know much about it), it'll be
archived forever and referenced in the future to show how Sun o
There is a supermicro controller mentioned here:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=161571
(PS: sort your searches by date instead of relevance ;))
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>>> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/advocacy/opensolaris_summit/2007/
Working now, thanks :)
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Those files still won't download for me. Maybe it would be good to host them
somewhere a bit more... independent? :)
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> I was hoping for b74 actually. When I downloaded the
> SXDE last night it was still showing as b70...
That is what it is, that is what it is supposed to be! :)
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> And I can tell you from first hand experience, in the server arena, *every*
> Linux dsitro is different.
You definitely have me there. :) But these differences are still just the
nature of the open beast.
The distros vary because the code licenses say they can, and because there is
no gove
>Others have answered your other questions, but I'd ask you... is Ubuntu
>NOT doing anything you need done?
>
>Changing to another OS, even to another form of Linux, is going to
>involve relearning a bunch of stuff, and if you're nervous about it or
>short of time, you'd probably going to start off
Also FYI, Vmware Workstation 6 has solaris guest tools... The install script
was successful for me when I tried it, and now the mouse detection works.
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> Is there any follow up to this? Is it confirmed you
> can build OpenSolaris from the developer edition?
The developer edition is just a well-tested community edition. Last I heard
here, the new version will be out in days or weeks. On building the source, I
clicked around and found this from
I hope they took a look around at the video and printer driver arena, realized
that it is a toxic failure, and decided to go open source for their primary
driver development just to see if it could do any better.
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> Thats kind of stupid to release it knowing full well there is a royal
> cockup in the distribution which will cause issues.
Every development build has problems though, it is just part of development.
Developers don't care if a past development build had problems, because they're
already onto
> Under normal schedules they would be testing
> the generated images now to make sure they install, and release those
> images internally to Sun later today and start the approximately week
> long process to get them posted as SXCE for public download next week.
That is an interesting amount of o
You are right that it isn't about the stock ticker. It is what the stock
ticker change means to the big picture.
Java is seen all over the internet. It is seen negatively much of the time
however.
Java is just one Sun technology. Saying that Sun = Java is very dangerous to
me. Especially w
> But the second approach is based on the wrong asumption that UDF is always the
best choice.
Sometimes you have to recognize that "good enough" is just as good as (or even
better than) "perfect" :)
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> > Either way you can create a
> > RAID5/raidz with the drives and use excess space
> as
> > non-redundant storage. So pick your poison!
>
> RAIDZ is NOT RAID5. The two are almost radically
> different.
>
> For example, RAID5 MUST have at least three disks,
> RAIDZ can work with only two.
>
>
> I wonder what it would take to change that crazy "small root, the rest for
> /export/home/" layout?
>
> I mean, what good is a "default" when it has to be modified as a rule and not
> an exception?
I think we need to find that "how should the file system layout be designed?"
thread and stick
> Hi there,
>
> I think I have managed to confuse myself so i am
> asking outright hoping for a straight answer.
>
> First, my situation. I have several disks of varying
> sizes I would like to run as redundant storage ina
> file server at home. Performance is not my number one
> priority, large
I think "New" in the url as short for "New Users" is pretty descriptive, myself
:)
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There is room for both support and general discuss forums. If the discuss
forum at the top is catching all the support requests, either A) the help forum
is too hard to find, and/or B) the help forum isn't as helpful as the general
forum.
In this case, the help forum is certainly hard to find.
> Keep in mind that if you are tracking sales records. Blizzard just made an
> all time sales record with a PC based game (The sequel to World of Warcraft).
I certainly keep that in mind, but it doesn't affect what I just said :) On
the MMORPG front, the same success could come on a console wit
> I thought I read somewhere (can't find the source) that the market
for PC games is shrinking and the market for console games is growing
(Wii/PS3/Xbox 360).
PC gaming makes much less money than console gaming right now, because of the
aforementioned advantages to the standardized console platfo
On games, I'm not sure everyone knows this, so I'll point it out. Games are a
"killer app" for PCs, and they have been for years. (They make people buy
computers.) There is a lot of money in this stuff, but it takes a lot of money
to get right.
Microsoft hasn't been steering the PC gaming
> At what?
Little old me probably can't help you if you are oblivious to why Windows is
the most successful personal computer software system of all time. You might
want to start looking at developer community and support, user community and
support, usability, system compatibility, and hardwa
rlhamil said:
> While I don't much like the notion of point-and-click (if it's not hard,
then you're not _learning_ anything, so why bother using up oxygen?)
mdemarco said:
> Leave the point and clickers behind.
> Command line is where we live! It is not dead and never will be. This is
> where th
> Most people use Windows because it came with their PC, not for any
technical reason.
It comes with their PCs because it is technically the best desktop OS. Dell
doesn't sell Windows PCs instead of OS/2 Warp PCs because of a coin flip.
Windows is simply the best. (Better than all the rest!)
I think there is something about the current installer needing more RAM than
the OS itself. If I recall correctly, that number is something more than 256mb.
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> Why are we still slaving to the notion that just
> because something is a server, it *must* be on the
> internet?
>
> Well, why must it be on the Internet?
> Can't we have a server that sits in a living room or
> in a closet or in the basement, which stores all our
> data on encrypted disks, cen
Hard to beat a job you're urgently wanted at :)
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> Hey,
>
> Stephen Hahn blogged awesomely about his thoughts on
> packaging - if you're
> interested in the discussion, you should probably
> subscribe to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and comment on
> things.
>
> [this mail is just a heads up, so that people don't
> feel like they're missing
> something -
No apologies necessary, it WAS broken for quite a while :)
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[i]The advantage[s] of a stable ABI are all mitigated when binary packages of
proprietary drivers are available. [/i]
http://www4.osnews.com/permalink?250425
Can someone smarter than me comment on that post? :)
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You guys are making good progress :) Question: Is Nexenta capable of updating
all of its systems from internet servers? I know you can update certain
packages you've made, but can this build be updated to say b70 of ON when the
time comes?
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> .profile, .login or .cshrc, places where such things are very easily
> spottable.
The missed point is well illustrated here. Easily spottable? Not by anyone I
know. That's what anti-malware software is for.
If you want to make the point that a Unix admin doesn't need software to help
him
> On 6/14/07, Gaopeng Chen - Sun China
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Fingerprint Authentication
> > ==
> >
> >
> > Project Overview:
> > -
> > The biometrics technology grows fast. Fingerprint
> authentication is
> > widely used in many situations. It'
PS: I eventually stumbled upon where they say which build is used in SXDE:
http://developers.sun.com/sxde/features.jsp
Not as hidden as I originally thought, but I'd still like to see the important
bits of information be more salient on the download pages. Like "SXDE 5/07
(b64a) with Sun Studi
> MC wrote:
> > Summary: it appears that SXDE 5/07 is b65,
>
> Build 64a.
>
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> em Engineering
^^See that response time? That's why Alan C is paid the b
> Is there a way to determine the build number without
> downloading the full VM Image?
>
> We are waiting for a build that has the cpu_caps
> feature. I believe they are in builds >= snv_61 per
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/rm/rctls/cpu-ca
> s/
Good question, I have no idea. Or, I ha
"The Best" desktop is not the same thing as the "As Much Java As Possible"
desktop. While an all-java desktop would be a neat novelty, that is apparently
not what JDS currently strives for.
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Pleading to future posters who won't see this will not help :)
The one way to fix what you mention is to place the "help" forum at the top of
the forum list above the "discuss" one. That will capture the tech support
posts.
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> While in the Network Monitor under GNOME, it does not save my configuration
> that I tell it too.
That happened to me too with the current SXDE. Call it a buggy old build and
wait for the next SXDE (or get the latest SXCE), I guess!
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NexentaCP and a new direction... I like the sound of that. Good work!
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> Keith M Wesolowski wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 10:09:38AM +1200, Glynn
> Foster wrote:
> >
> >> So, can we just do it? I have powers to create a
> mail alias to start getting
> >> some plans discussed [1] - should I just go ahead
> and do it? Some web space
> >> would be nice, but not ess
Optional files should definitely be stored exclusively with optional files.
But the question of multimedia codecs has already been answered, and the answer
isn't the command line interface. The real answer is "include by default all
the desirable codecs you can, and then make it easy to install
> 1. I think the way it is structured is perfect (what
> else could be easier than simply executing a one-line
> command?).
"Not executing a one-line command" is far easier :)
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> I'm interested in doing what needs to be done to move
> forwards and without
> losing those users that run Solaris 8 and 9 and 10.
> That is a bit of a
> challenge to say the least.
If Project Indiana had no Solaris 8-10 users and 5% of Linux users, it would
still be a success. Meanwhile Sola
> Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the
> Blastwave software
> bolted in because ALL of that happened with community
> people.
That would be great. And if that isn't what Ian's crew is looking for, both
could happen. Nothing stopping group x from doing that and group y from doi
> So what problem are you trying to solve here ? I just don't get it.
Try it this way: There is no community OpenSolaris distro that does what Sun
management wants. Sun wants many more kids and university students using some
form of Solaris. That is the problem Ian was hired to solve.
It is
> What is so special about the reference distribution that it can't be one
of the existing distros ?
1) The existing distros are pretty much Solaris 11 prototypes, and Solaris 11
is wholly a Sun product. Even though the first captain of the ship Project
Indiana will be a Sun employee, the Open
The key thing at the end of this quote should have cut the debate before it
started:
> As has been repeatedly discussed here, the current
> memory requirements
> of the developer release installer are an artifact of
> its hurried
> implementation (eg 2 jvms). This will not continue
> to be the ca
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