I think it'd be more difficult than that.
OpenSolaris is effectively "alpha" quality (not even beta!) code, with new and
modified features being introduced every now and then (on disk zfs format has
changed twice!).
Ofcourse, the quality of this allegedly "alpha" quality code beats some other
On 8/1/07, Brian Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kaiwai:
>
> > I'm surprised that Sun can't get access to those windows codecs under
> > the agreement which Sun and Microsoft signed.
>
> I don't think access to the codecs is the problem. Paying the
> royalties required to distribute the IP
On 8/1/07, Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brian Gupta wrote:
> > It would make it easier for some of us to deploy "OpenSolaris".
> How can Sun support something that changes every couple of weeks and
> doesn't support patching?
>
> I suppose they could provide a help line with a recorde
Brian Gupta wrote:
> It would make it easier for some of us to deploy "OpenSolaris".
How can Sun support something that changes every couple of weeks and
doesn't support patching?
I suppose they could provide a help line with a recorded message "please
upgrade the the latest release" :)
Ian
It would make it easier for some of us to deploy "OpenSolaris".
-Brian
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Kaiwai:
> I'm surprised that Sun can't get access to those windows codecs under
> the agreement which Sun and Microsoft signed.
I don't think access to the codecs is the problem. Paying the
royalties required to distribute the IP is more likely the issue.
Especially when only a percentage of Sol
> So, I gave Solaris 10 (11/06) a shot. Solaris barfed all over me; like
> a girlfriend you love but who just can't get it together, it wouldn't
> get past the initial display probe and gave me an unintelligible (read
> bank) GUI screen. So it was a text based install, which I don't mind,
> as wi
Christopher Mahan wrote:
> There's an impedance issue. The managers don't know as much as the
> engineers, and the CIOs won't listen to the engineers. (they don't
> here) So it the CIOs want to really know the true nitty-gritty, they
> have to learn to listen to engineers. I will also say that the
> I even once read that if a situation occurs where Linux is
> faster than Solaris, Solaris engineers treat that as a bug in
> Solaris and assign it high priority to fix.
Guess you are talking about this:
http://blogs.sun.com/pgdh/entry/if_linux_is_faster_it
Venky.
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I don't think you will be disappointed.
In fact most of the things you refer to are already in Solaris Express.
I Run Solaris Express DE on my laptop and Ultra 20 and can't complain about
either. Things that you have mentioned such as music and chat work out of the
box, I get my media codecs fr
I'm talking about Solaris Express... So, if there are never going to be
any patches issued for Solaris Express, then why have the Update-Manager
applet loaded on the default gnome panel? For that matter, why not just
remove or hide it all together if it's not going to ever be used in
Solaris Expres
Is this is not applicable to OpenSolaris, then are there plans to
remove, or at least hide, the update manager that is present in the
notification area?
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From: Alan Coopersmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Aaron Epps
Cc: opensolar
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Hardware - ATI drivers anyone? drivers for webcams, flash card readers,
> sound cards out of the box etc. etc. again, 2 years of opensolaris, even
> more since Solaris x86 support came back and there are still major
> issues.
>
> What can the opensolaris community do? not
> Well, I am not going to tune the kernel, but I was
> just wondering.
This isn't kernel tuning, not on Solaris. This is something you simply switch.
Then you can control the various parameters while the system is running,
without rebooting.
In general, Solaris needs no kernel tuning, since mos
I look forward to this quite a bit. I would really like to see a laptop system
with this as the base OS. If it could include the media friendly things like
chat, web cams and music it would be my preferred system, Right now I work
mostly on my Sun 280R running Solaris 10 and keep a windows pc
Hey tripivceta,
>> Whenever the group *for*
>> "Solaris==Server==Xterm==Niche_product"
>> ecomes very vocal it concerns me.
>
> Why? Are you afraid of the command line? If you are (note the IF), don't
> reject an opportunity to learn something. Learn, be enlightened, and be a
> better person f
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 11:19 -0700, John Martinez wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> >> Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
> >> since OpenSolaris already offers enough to cover mundane users like
> >> word processing, Internet browsing an
Windows hosted printers should work from Solaris Nevada. If you bring
up the printmgr and add a "New Network Printer", you should be able to
select "URI" for the protocol, and set the destination to an SMB uri
(smb://window-box/printer). Since Windows expects the client side to
generate prin
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 12:12 -0500, Norm Jacobs wrote:
> Windows hosted printers should work from Solaris Nevada. If you bring
> up the printmgr and add a "New Network Printer", you should be able to
> select "URI" for the protocol, and set the destination to an SMB uri
> (smb://window-box/print
Nice!!
Thanks for testing on this, I have been keeping eye on this post for any new
updates... waiting for the final way to install it
Thanks again...
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--- Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But at the same time, you need managers who are confident about
> what
> they're saying. I've seen webcasts in the past, who, bless their
> cotton
> socks, knew what they were talking about but lacked confidence and
> presence when delivering the m
> On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:11 -0700, Edward McAuley
> wrote:
> > Uh, let's see. Beautiful interface (as attractive
> as the Mac or Vista), intuitively laid out, ease of
> use, UNIX (like), open source...it's already here.
> You can download it or buy it.
>
> Suse 10.2
>
> Please look at this
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>> Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
>> since OpenSolaris already offers enough to cover mundane users like
>> word processing, Internet browsing and email.
>> Maybe a new and separate set of stable interfaces for
Well, I am not going to tune the kernel, but I was just wondering. Ok, Solaris
has several different tunable schedulers, whereas Linux has one. Linux
scheduler is aimed at server use, presumably solaris kernel is also. I wonder,
is Solaris snappier than Linux, then? There are complaints on Linux
No, I havent tried it as I am a noob.
Anyway, I got Solaris b68 installed and running now. Thanks for your help!
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Slightly off-thread since now deep in marketing voodoo.
I agree with both Jim Grisanzio and Matthew:
There are different messages that need to go to different people.
Each type of person out there responds better to a different kind of
marketing message.
Let's not forget that marketing does incl
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 09:21 -0700, Christopher Mahan wrote:
> Slightly off-thread since now deep in marketing voodoo.
>
> I agree with both Jim Grisanzio and Matthew:
>
> There are different messages that need to go to different people.
> Each type of person out there responds better to a differe
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 16:59 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >> what's the marketing value of all those thousands of employees having
> >> open conversations with tens of thousands of developers around the
> >> world? I'd much rather we do that than print ads in magazines.
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:50 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Basically Windows maintains its share through superior hardware support
> > and software availability - unless Sun is willign to splash around money
> > to software vendors to get them to port their software,
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>> what's the marketing value of all those thousands of employees having
>> open conversations with tens of thousands of developers around the
>> world? I'd much rather we do that than print ads in magazines. But a
>> little of both is good. :)
>
> Blogs are good for tech
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:21 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Ok, where are the Sun advertisements in magazines read by decision
> > makers? I open up the NZ Management magazine (from the NZIM - most
> > managers/executives in NZ are members) - not a single advertisement,
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Ok, where are the Sun advertisements in magazines read by decision
> makers? I open up the NZ Management magazine (from the NZIM - most
> managers/executives in NZ are members) - not a single advertisement, and
> yet, I see IBM splattered from cover to cover. I look throu
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Basically Windows maintains its share through superior hardware support
> and software availability - unless Sun is willign to splash around money
> to software vendors to get them to port their software, its going to
> remain in the same state for ever and ever.
That's
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:00 -0500, Norm Jacobs wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > the issues experienced trying to setup printers in Solaris, its a
> > nightmare
> > One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is CUPS + Gutenprint + Foomatic - given
> Foomatic and Gutenprint are in Solaris today. Foomatic i
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 23:19 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck
>
> Rectum pluck? Charming.
>
> Jim
> --
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris
Call a spade a spade.
Matthew
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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:31 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> > > At what?
> >
> > Little old me probably can't help you if you are
> > oblivious to why Windows is the most successful
> > personal computer software system of all time. You
> > might want to start looking at developer community
>
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 21:30 +0800, Giles Turner wrote:
> > It is the availability of software that makes or breaks a platform. Not
> > hardware, not OS technical superiority, not OS security, not ease of use.
>
> Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
> since OpenSolari
> Whenever the group *for*
> "Solaris==Server==Xterm==Niche_product"
> ecomes very vocal it concerns me.
Why? Are you afraid of the command line? If you are (note the IF), don't reject
an opportunity to learn something. Learn, be enlightened, and be a better
person for it.
If your concern is l
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> the issues experienced trying to setup printers in Solaris, its a
> nightmare
> One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is CUPS + Gutenprint + Foomatic - given
Foomatic and Gutenprint are in Solaris today. Foomatic is reasonably
current, but could use an update. We are in the p
Mike DeMarco writes:
> > /etc/inet/ipnodes is now just a symlink to
> > /etc/inet/hosts, as is
[...]
> well its about time. ipnodes has bit me more times then I care to recall.
Yes. It was a mistake, and it bit us as well.
For what it's worth, it was a confluence of problems. Back when IPv6
was
> I think you misunderstand average users. Pretty is
> nice, but not necessary. We require our computers to
> work easily. We would like to be able to fix them if
> they break.
Let us, for the purpose of making a point, assume that you are 100% correct in
your statements.
Following from those
> Shafayet Hossain writes:
> > That mean i don't have to change /etc/inet/ipnodes
> in Solaris 10 update 4 and later. Is that correct?
> This document totally confused me. its saying that
>
> It's correct.
>
> > Why is this difference?
>
> /etc/inet/ipnodes is now just a symlink to
> /etc/inet/
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck
Rectum pluck? Charming.
Jim
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> > At what?
>
> Little old me probably can't help you if you are
> oblivious to why Windows is the most successful
> personal computer software system of all time. You
> might want to start looking at developer community
> and support, user community and support, usability,
> system compatibilit
On 7/31/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 23:43 -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > One could argue that not only does Solaris need more users,
> > but its
> > quality rather than quantity. If the vast majority of the 40%
> > are penn
> It is the availability of software that makes or breaks a platform. Not
> hardware, not OS technical superiority, not OS security, not ease of use.
Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
since OpenSolaris already offers enough to cover mundane users like
word processi
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:58 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I've used SuSE 10.2 - if you're happy to avoid the bugs that you can fly
> > a 747 through. Beta quality compilers, drivers and libraries. Crappy
> > KDE/OpenOffice.org integration (specifi
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 08:06 -0400, James Carlson wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner writes:
> > > I think it would be great if Sun gave these sorts of tasks a bit
> more
> > > priority and started to seriously consider the desktop market.
> It's
> > > not
> > > high margin like selling mainframes, but I'd th
Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've used SuSE 10.2 - if you're happy to avoid the bugs that you can fly
> a 747 through. Beta quality compilers, drivers and libraries. Crappy
> KDE/OpenOffice.org integration (specifically kslaves/openoffice.org) -
> its horrific - "ship first, hide b
Hi andrewk9,
> Comments inline:
Ditto (as they should be ;-) ) with snippages...
> No software is perfect, as I think you acknowledge. I totally that it is up
> to the community to engage itself in the process.
I remember a piece of software 25 years ago called "The Last One". I think that
i
> On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 05:59 -0700, Orvar Korvar
> wrote:
> > There is lots of Linux right now. Apparently Con
> Kolivas, one of the Kernel hackers left, because his
> fair kernel scheduler was rejected by Linus, and
> later a similar scheduler was accepted.
> > Here are some info
> > http://apcma
Kaiwai Gardiner writes:
> > I think it would be great if Sun gave these sorts of tasks a bit more
> > priority and started to seriously consider the desktop market. It's
> > not
> > high margin like selling mainframes, but I'd think Sun could make a
> > serious
> > competitor to Microsoft and Appl
Comments inline:
> I shall reply to you, but my 2 cents applies to other
> comments in this thread; so apols if I bang on about
> stuff that
> you have not directly or indirectly commented on.
>
> > 1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun
> to be addressing all of the shortcomings in
W. Wayne Liauh writes:
> > (Don't use a symlink, as packages delivering that
> > directory will
> > blow away the symlink and just make a mess of
> > things.)
> >
> > ames Carlson, Solaris Networking
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Ha, wish we had known this b/f we made the mess of
Hi
yesterday did some tests.
building using spec files did not success in S10 11/06
noted that some libpostrun needed to packaging is missing.
mediatomb new release 0.10.0 did build fine
when utilize gcc and other required tools headers and libs from /usr/sfw
even spidermonkey when point config
> "Brian Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 7/30/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian Gupta writes:
> > > >
> http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q
> > >
> > > Ah, a license fork. What fun!
> ...
> > Personally I think this is a complete perversio
Thanks James.
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"Brian Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/30/07, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Brian Gupta writes:
> > > http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q
> >
> > Ah, a license fork. What fun!
...
> Personally I think this is a complete perversion of the open source
> m
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:45 +0200, Patrick Finch wrote:
>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
> I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck rather than it
> being a fixed number
> on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, i
> If that's so, ux-admin, why does anyone care about
> Project Indiana? The amount of software it offers is
> a mere shadow to what Windows offers. Yet people do
> care, so Open Solaris must offer something else to
> those people.
When you wrote your original essay, you wrote that Solaris should
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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 02:27 -0700, Orvar Korvar wrote:
> Ive checked MD5 signature and still B69 didnt work.
>
> Anyway, Ive installed B68 from CD now. I think there are lots of old
> computers that wont boot from Solaris DVD.
>
>
Have you tried putting the exporting the DVD by NFS and doing
Ive checked MD5 signature and still B69 didnt work.
Anyway, Ive installed B68 from CD now. I think there are lots of old computers
that wont boot from Solaris DVD.
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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:45 +0200, Patrick Finch wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
> >>> I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck rather than it
> >>> being a fixed number
> >>> on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
> >>> at Mac, t
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
>>> I think the "40%" was a rectum pluck rather than it
>>> being a fixed number
>>> on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
>>> at Mac, their
>>> marketshare is below 10% and yet has a bigger
>>> selection
> It is the availability of software that makes or
> breaks a platform. Not hardware, not OS technical
> superiority, not OS security, not ease of use.
>
> Only software decides who lives or dies. The majority
> of people out there couldn't care less about the
> technical superiority of an OS or e
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