[osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> What I'm hoping we'll have one day is distribution > system for > packages (like pkg-get, for example, or something > like it). > This system should be able to supply and install all > the latest: > 1. packages to create Solaris 10 update N > 2. patches to update this release > 3. packages to pro

[osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] > far.. My list: packaging, installation, GNU userland > alongside > "Solaris classic userland", and laptop support (see > what > I mean that there are already people working on these > things?). At least you didn't use the pejorative marketing term "legacy". Hopefully, if different userlan

Re: [osol-discuss] About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Ian Murdock
As promised: Ok, so Project Indiana has caused a bit of a stir both internally at Sun and externally... It wasn't meant to come out quite this way (and the timing was particularly bad, given that I've been consumed with JavaOne all week and haven't been able to respond till today). Look on the br

Re: [osol-discuss] USB disk on Solaris on Parallel Desktop on a MAc

2007-05-11 Thread Shawn Walker
On 11/05/07, Klas Heggemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've used a USB disk on my Ultra 20, and it works nice out of the box. I also have A Solaris installation on a Parallel Desktop on my Mac. I can assign the ISB controller to Solaris, (and disk is not visable from MacOS) but it does not seem

[osol-discuss] Re: Using SMC in zones

2007-05-11 Thread Jazz Geek
HI Abraham Did you ever find a fix for this SMC problem on Zones? I have the same problem and I cannot find a sole out there who knows how to fix this. I've even ask a Solaris veteran of 12 years! No luck for me. How about you? Thanks SB This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] whole root zone did not install SMC

2007-05-11 Thread Ian Collins
SB wrote: > Ian > > That package is indeed installed. > In the global zone, or the whole root zone? If not in the latter, what happen if you attempt to install it (from the install media)? > The funny thing is this: SMC shows up ONLY on the "sparse" zones, NOT the > "whole root" zones. > > W

Re: [osol-discuss] whole root zone did not install SMC

2007-05-11 Thread Ian Collins
Jazz Geek wrote: > All, > > After installing a whole-root zone on my sparc server, the Solaris Managment > Console did not come with it, for some reason. Everything else is fine though. > > It should, what does "pkginfo SUNWsmcmd" return? > Any idea how I can get the SMC working on my whole-r

[osol-discuss] Announcing IPoIB performance project

2007-05-11 Thread Nitin Hande
Everyone, The IPoIB performance project is now open at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ipoib The goal of this project is to enhance IPoIB performance, support all Sun qualified Infiniband HCA feature's relevant to IPoIB and interoperability with Linux and Windows implementations. Th

[osol-discuss] whole root zone did not install SMC

2007-05-11 Thread Jazz Geek
All, After installing a whole-root zone on my sparc server, the Solaris Managment Console did not come with it, for some reason. Everything else is fine though. Any idea how I can get the SMC working on my whole-root zone? Thank you! SB This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [docs-discuss] fun to watch trainings was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Barbara Lundquist
Hi, all, I'm a Solaris installation writer. I can help by providing editorial reviews. Barbara Lundquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michelle Olson wrote On 05/11/07 14:51,: Hi, Gueven Bay wrote On 05/10/07 01:38,: my proposal to make easy and fun to watch trainings(in multi-media form) for free

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, MC wrote: > How long has this been kept a secret ;) > > Looking good, glad to see work done in this area! It wasn't a secret per se - Michal asked me to figure out some hosting for a long time back, and I never got around to getting it done. All the work was done on his own initiative, not

Re: [docs-discuss] fun to watch trainings was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Michelle Olson
Hi Brian, Thanks for your help, much appreciated! Who can volunteer to help edit Brian's curses installation video? What tool will you use, Brian? I've added starterkit-discuss on cc line, since SK project is focused on install, might get some helpers there. Regards, Michelle Brian Gupta wr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack -

2007-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/11/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That said, it is important to provide detailed package information. I don't know if a system is in place to provide a "details" section like you see in Synaptic ( http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/docteam/images/synaptic-start.png ), but there shoul

Re: [docs-discuss] fun to watch trainings was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
I want to help. I volunteer for a Solaris Express install video using the curses console. (I will need someone to do the editing.. as I'll have difficulty enough getting the data off the camera.) Let's get on with it, who else wants to help? ___ opens

fun to watch trainings was:Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Michelle Olson
Hi, Gueven Bay wrote On 05/10/07 01:38,: my proposal to make easy and fun to watch trainings(in multi-media form) for free about (Open)Solaris makes full sense : The guy at work has not the "power" to read all docs.sun.com but he will watch the training videos. enthusiastic +1 As a leader

[osol-discuss] Quoting

2007-05-11 Thread Ian Collins
It might be a pipe dream, but can people on this list reach a consensus on a quoting style? I find the mixture of correct (spot my bias!) and top-posting very hard to follow. The general consensus on technical Usenet groups is not to top post and the reasons have been well debated, http://www.cal

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
I apologize. It wasn't warranted. I have just waded through too many of these recently, and I only sleep three hours last night. Everyone have a good weekend, and have a happy mother's day!! -brian On 5/11/07, Steve Stallion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well it didnt take long for this to escala

Re: [osol-discuss] I'm a little sad that this post didn't get any responses. (was) Re: Lets take a moment to reflect on Solaris' strengths.

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
Well I was hoping to solidify the list... Get other peoples thoughts on it. On 5/11/07, Artem Kachitchkine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at >> least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS. Who is trying to c

Re: [osol-discuss] I'm a little sad that this post didn't get any responses. (was) Re: Lets take a moment to reflect on Solaris' strengths.

2007-05-11 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS. Who is trying to change Solaris in a way that removes/affects the good stuff you listed? -Artem. ___ opensolari

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Steve Stallion
Well it didnt take long for this to escalate to into an all out flame. Remember Gentlemen, pinkies up! On 5/11/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not at all, but Sun execs have a long history of > > telling the press long > > before

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not at all, but Sun execs have a long history of > telling the press long > before they talk to the engineers, and half of what > the press reports > bears no relation to what actually ends up happening > in the long run. And why have they not

[osol-discuss] I'm a little sad that this post didn't get any responses. (was) Re: Lets take a moment to reflect on Solaris' strengths.

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
It seems no one is interested in trying to figure out what is right about Solaris. On 5/11/07, Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS. In no particular order T

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Ben Taylor
> > Course, it would help if there was a locate command on Solaris, > > Dear Sir, > if you need to use the `locate` command to find > something, you have a MUCH bigger problem. Dude I know more ways to find stuff than I can count. I'm only recanting the whines from folks who claim that more tha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Stefan Teleman
On May 11, 2007 at 1:18 PM UNIX admin wrote: > Dear Sir, > if you need to use the `locate` command to find something, you have > a MUCH bigger problem. Dude, This is, SO, like, AWESOME -- Stefan Teleman 'Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition' KDE e.V.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>> >> >> It's not specific to the packaging system. Users >> >> with the >> >> Software Installation profile can run pkgadd/pkgrm >> >> via pfexec, >> >> no root access needed. >> > >> >Are there Java equivalents to enough of the >> priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) >> >functions for a Java based GUI to

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > >> It's not specific to the packaging system. Users > >> with the > >> Software Installation profile can run pkgadd/pkgrm > >> via pfexec, > >> no root access needed. > > > >Are there Java equivalents to enough of the > priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) > >functions for a Java based GUI to be able to

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> On 5/11/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I would think that if one viewed JPack as something > that could > > in turn plug into a larger framework (and if it can > function > > read-only as well as with the ability to make > modifications), > > the two could be combined so

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Bryan Cantrill
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:54:17AM -0700, John Mark Walker wrote: > Coming from a Linux background, I don't expect OpenSolaris to look and > feel like Linux, but I do expect the OpenSolaris community to actively > engage with people like me. My impression is that, due to Sun's long > proud hist

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread John Mark Walker
Having been stranded at JavaOne while this thread was ongoing, I haven't been able to read each message in this thread, and I'm sure whatever I add here has already been hashed over, but nonetheless, here goes... :@) As a long-time Linux user (since RedHat 4.2) and former Sun fan (with a newly

Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Community creation

2007-05-11 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:40:42AM -0600, Bonnie Corwin wrote: > If someone on the OGB can send the text you'd like used, we'll get it on > the Communities page. > > I assume we don't just want to cut/paste from the constitution because > that text refers to terms defined elsewhere in the const

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/11/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Peter Tribble wrote: > On 5/11/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) >> functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a user >> would be

[osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Christopher D. Quenelle
I wrote this rant in response to a question about how to solve the problems that show up when two different versions of the same library get pulled into a program through different dependencies and chaos ensues. This thread seems like a better thread to attach my rant to. :-) - The pra

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> Our goal > should be to make > Solaris more approachable to these productive > administrators. Hacking stuff around AD-HOC and bringing it to "work" is not my idea of productivity. Especially not when such a system or systems bust in the worst time. Those Linux "administrators" have no concep

[osol-discuss] Dell PERC 5

2007-05-11 Thread mike
hello i have a dell poweredge 2900 that uses a perc 5/i has anyone had any luck getting this to work? i found this page http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=29340 but it looks to be unfinished or still in production. does anyone has a solution to this problem? thanks. This mess

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> Course, it would > help if > there was a locate command on Solaris, Dear Sir, if you need to use the `locate` command to find something, you have a MUCH bigger problem. You shouldn't have any software "installed" on a system without the said software coming on the system as a package, and pa

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> Not at all, but Sun execs have a long history of > telling the press long > before they talk to the engineers, and half of what > the press reports > bears no relation to what actually ends up happening > in the long run. And why have they not been reprimanded for doing such things? I told the

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> not mine unless you want everything you have worked > with to die on the > grapevine. Reality check: OpenSolaris is the fastest growing operating system on this planet. If you had just bothered to check the change logs, you probably wouldn't have made the above remark. > I always wondered wh

Re: [osol-discuss] About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Ian Murdock
On 5/11/07, Marc Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Meanwhile, let me clear up some misconceptions and make a few observations: Dude, you really nailed it. I'm here, plowing through the thread(s), and will be responding in more detail shortly. -ian -- Ian Murdock 650-331-9324 http://ianmurdo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Michal Pryc
John Brewer wrote: How does JPack interact with smc? If not are there plans to use JPack replace package management within smc framework? It does not interact at the moment, and to be honest I didn't thought about it, but maybe it should. -- best Michal

Re: [osol-discuss] Contributor Agreement

2007-05-11 Thread Ceri Davies
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:53:00AM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > Not a grant of copyright, but clause #3 reads: > > You hereby grant to Sun, and to any party who receives Your Contribution, > a perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide, no-charge, royalty-free, > license under any pate

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
Please see my recent post regarding, what's good about Solaris. One of the things that just hit me about Solaris administration, is that when most of us learned Solaris, the commercial Internet had not taken off yet. And http was still years away. The way we learned was old school. We bought and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: --- Gueven Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For example a better package manager: Okay. But build it on top of the pkg_* commands which are in Solaris today AND explain, show and teach the users the Solaris way. Why? Please give a technical argument in favour

[osol-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread John Brewer
How does JPack interact with smc? If not are there plans to use JPack replace package management within smc framework? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] FM and HP Open View

2007-05-11 Thread sujesh
Hello, We are planning to use sun-FM-MIB.mib intrgrated to HP Open view. As i understand solaris MIB can be configured to send traps to any destination and this traps are in readable format with any tools like HP Openview ?. But when i checkd the MIB file there are some NOTIFY segment in t

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Javier O. Augusto
Manish Chakravarty wrote: >> If there was only some way to talk Apple Computer into porting and adapting >> their Aqua interface and sysadmin GUIs to Solaris... >> >> > All we need is compiz + Aqua theme for GNOME + Some good code (GTK) > > for doing what?? 3d stuff on the desktop?? I d

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack -

2007-05-11 Thread Michal Pryc
MC wrote: So if we are displaying package names, display them as is. I actually agree with you. The unaltered package name should be one column. This type of tool is not one for inexperienced users to use, and the real package name combined with text search is exactly what is needed ther

[osol-discuss] Lets take a moment to reflect on Solaris's strengths.

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
Before we rush headlong into changing Solaris, I think it is worth at least a moment to reflect on what makes Solaris our choice of OS. In no particular order Technical -- 1) Stable ABI 2) Great SMP support. IE: Scales very well 3) Dtrace instrumenting 4) ZFS 5) Reput

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack -

2007-05-11 Thread MC
> So if we are displaying package names, display them as is. I actually agree with you. The unaltered package name should be one column. This type of tool is not one for inexperienced users to use, and the real package name combined with text search is exactly what is needed there. That sai

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread 陶捷 Euler Tao
I think it's ok to make Solaris more Linux like. More precisly, I think it should say that one of the branch of Solaris is more GNU like. Linux is the kernel, or say OS of the GNU project. As a user coming from Redhat and Debian, I feel the command tools in (Open)Soalris is not habitual for me, fo

Re: [osol-discuss] About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Laszlo (Laca) Peter
Hi Marc, Thanks for sending this. On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 22:58 -0700, Marc Hamilton wrote: > - Project Indiana is the name Ian and I are using to refer to some of > our high level goals and strategy for Solaris. There is nothing > radically new about Project Indiana. It is a collection of things

Re: Fwd: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Brian Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Over in systemadmin-discuss I am discussing a > central web based framework It would not be webmin by any chance? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ opensol

Fwd: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Brian Gupta
Over in systemadmin-discuss I am discussing a central web based framework See this for more details. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df6hcjb2_12fvc6tq -Brian P.S. - We can use your CLI skills for the remote data gathering. On 5/11/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why dont we ba

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Darren J Moffat
Peter Tribble wrote: On 5/11/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a user would be able via pfexec to do what they wanted to? Not that I know of. It

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread MC
> So why dont we bang our heads, come up with some ideas and get started on it? To answer your rhetorical question... :) Personally I wonder if OpenSolaris is mature enough for outsiders to feel comfortable doing that. Partly because they can't easily contribute code yet. And partly because S

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> So why dont we bang our heads, come up with some > ideas and get started > on it? I'm most certainly the wrong person for that -- all I ever do when I log into a GUI environment is fire up an xterm on the spot! To me there is no replacement for the speed and efficiency of CLI / SHELL. But any

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- "Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >so would i have to track patches and packages > > > >separately? > > > > > > The current scheme requires that; but that is > just > > > how > > > the patch tools are. There is no reason in the > > > underlying > > > package mechanism w

[osol-discuss] Re: About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread MC
Good post. Too bad it didn't come sooner to cut off the FUD before it started :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread James Carlson
Ben Taylor writes: > IMO, a more sane infrastructure would be to do the following: Considered and discarded because it doesn't allow for "serendipitous discovery." In other words, users must go out of their way to find the non-conflicting GNU tools, and one of our goals is to make those tools rea

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread UNIX admin
> > It is possible that one has a personal preference > for GNU. However, it is technically impossible for > GNU tools, in their current incarnation, to be > superior. And if you have a whole bunch of > professional engineers (me excluded this time!) > sticking to, developing with, and working on t

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Ben Taylor
> James C. McPherson wrote: > > frank wang wrote: > >> Sun will keep two universes, 1 is "Linux" alike, > >> the other "Solaris" alike. User can just pick what > >> they like or are familiar with. But it > >> can't replace the efforts to scale the train > >> coverage on everyting about > >> Solari

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Ben Taylor
> James C. McPherson wrote: > > frank wang wrote: > >> Sun will keep two universes, 1 is "Linux" alike, > >> the other "Solaris" alike. User can just pick what > >> they like or are familiar with. But it > >> can't replace the efforts to scale the train > >> coverage on everyting about > >> Solari

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/11/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would think that if one viewed JPack as something that could in turn plug into a larger framework (and if it can function read-only as well as with the ability to make modifications), the two could be combined somehow; and indeed, solvi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/11/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the SUNW is part of the package name, it's also what the pkg commands expect[s] But does that matter for a graphical app like this? I haven't used it yet, but almost every package having SUNW on the front in the GUI doesn't help me at all, I'm pret

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Peter Tribble
On 5/11/07, Richard L. Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a user would be able via pfexec to do what they wanted to? Not that I know of. It wouldn't be a bad ide

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > >so would i have to track patches and packages > > >separately? > > > > The current scheme requires that; but that is just > > how > > the patch tools are. There is no reason in the > > underlying > > package mechanism which forces this. > > so the pkg tools can handle updates or whatever th

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack -

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> MC wrote: > >> the SUNW is part of the package name, it's also > what the pkg commands expect[s] > >> > > > > But does that matter for a graphical app like this? > I haven't used it yet, but almost every package > having SUNW on the front in the GUI doesn't help me > at all, I'm pretty sure

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>> It's not specific to the packaging system. Users >> with the >> Software Installation profile can run pkgadd/pkgrm >> via pfexec, >> no root access needed. > >Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) >functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a

[osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> It's not specific to the packaging system. Users > with the > Software Installation profile can run pkgadd/pkgrm > via pfexec, > no root access needed. Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a user woul

[osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> It's not specific to the packaging system. Users > with the > Software Installation profile can run pkgadd/pkgrm > via pfexec, > no root access needed. Are there Java equivalents to enough of the priv_*(3c) and *(3secdb) functions for a Java based GUI to be able to determine whether a user woul

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Thomas De Schampheleire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Show me a single Linux distribution that includes the SVr4 tools by > > default. > > > The fact that it's not a default, doesn't mean that the 'freedom' isn't > there. That's exactly what I mean, the freedom is there both in Linux and in Th

[osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> CSW packages. If I want to install, can it scan the > web to list > available packages. Then this is the big one, for > its dependencies can > it scan all available libraries and place a link in > CSW lib to location > of an alternate dependency. > > Maybe this can be a good start to allevi

[osol-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Peter, > I have seen your solview (from version 0.3) and it is > very nice tool, > but as you told the focus is different. > > The JPack project will provide GUI for underlying > packaging systems, so > in the future if (maybe) packaging on Solaris will > change, users will > still be able to us

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Thomas De Schampheleire
On 5/11/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Thomas De Schampheleire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/10/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The fact that I had the "Schily userland", did allow me mostly forget > > about the platform I was working on.. using my e

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > For that matter, the userlands aren't that > different. Solaris has a little less comfort in that > it doesn't imply parameters or helps you with > everything (e.g. useradd on Solaris vs. Linux). > Anything that runs under X11 is virtually the same > between the operating systems. > > > > Also,

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] > > Not breaking compatibility is a sacred thing, and > showing that Solaris can innovate and be a technology > leader, and not break things because it's well > *engineered* puts the Mr. Andrew "Rampant layering > violation" Morton and the like to shame. > > > > My kind of people. > > not mi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> > Why? Please give a technical argument in favour of > > this and not just some stupid emotional attachment > to > > the "Solaris way". > > Changing this would break the Solaris user base, and > require extensive > retraining for all existing Solaris administrators. adding functionality not pr

[osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Michal Pryc
Paul Gress wrote: Michal Pryc wrote: Hello, I would like to announce a new project called JPack, which will provide a GUI application for managing different types of packages for Solaris Operating System. for more information: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/tasks/jpack/ and http:

[osol-discuss] USB disk on Solaris on Parallel Desktop on a MAc

2007-05-11 Thread Klas Heggemann
I've used a USB disk on my Ultra 20, and it works nice out of the box. I also have A Solaris installation on a Parallel Desktop on my Mac. I can assign the ISB controller to Solaris, (and disk is not visable from MacOS) but it does not seem to show up in Solaris? The disk has a zfs partition that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> >so would i have to track patches and packages > >separately? > > The current scheme requires that; but that is just > how > the patch tools are. There is no reason in the > underlying > package mechanism which forces this. so the pkg tools can handle updates or whatever them patch commands d

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>so would i have to track patches and packages >separately? The current scheme requires that; but that is just how the patch tools are. There is no reason in the underlying package mechanism which forces this. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Michal Pryc
Paul Gress wrote: MC wrote: the SUNW is part of the package name, it's also what the pkg commands expect[s] But does that matter for a graphical app like this? I haven't used it yet, but almost every package having SUNW on the front in the GUI doesn't help me at all, I'm pretty sure.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >First, I'd like to clear up something first. I get > the > >impression that updates (whether bug/security > fixes) > >are not solaris packages and so come in 'patches'. > Are > >these two separate systems? > > > Yes and no; Solaris patches are a collection

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Manish Chakravarty
> If there was only some way to talk Apple Computer into porting and adapting > their Aqua interface and sysadmin GUIs to Solaris... > All we need is compiz + Aqua theme for GNOME + Some good code (GTK) So why dont we bang our heads, come up with some ideas and get started on it? Thanks Mani

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Gavin Maltby
Hi, On 05/10/07 07:07, David Lloyd wrote: [snip] 2. Rethinking the way a shell is used or what a shell offers for different uses of an operating system [in some instances, having to guarantee you've got: /usr/openwin/bin/dtterm instead of /usr/bin/dtterm ...is important. in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>First, I'd like to clear up something first. I get the >impression that updates (whether bug/security fixes) >are not solaris packages and so come in 'patches'. Are >these two separate systems? Yes and no; Solaris patches are a collection of partial patches. But there's no requirement for the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Why? Please give a technical argument in favour of > >this and not just some stupid emotional attachment > to > >the "Solaris way". > > > First give a *technical* argument why it needs to > change > first; if you can build apt-get on top of the > Solaris > pac

Re: [osol-discuss] About Project Indiana

2007-05-11 Thread Gavin Maltby
On 05/11/07 06:58, Marc Hamilton wrote: -For the record, I use csh, not sh, bash, tcsh, etc. There are no plans to make csh the default Solaris shell. I still love Solaris! Beware - csh causes irreversible damage to your health :-) ___ opensolari

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > --- Gueven Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe the Solaris people should adapt some things > > from Linux. But I vote for staying in the "Solaris > > way". I don't vote as the linked press articles say > > for bringing more Linux-isims into (Open)Solaris. > > > > For example a better

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>Why? Please give a technical argument in favour of >this and not just some stupid emotional attachment to >the "Solaris way". First give a *technical* argument why it needs to change first; if you can build apt-get on top of the Solaris package commands, what technical reason is there not to do

[osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] New project: JPack - install your software easily !

2007-05-11 Thread Paul Gress
Michal Pryc wrote: Hello, I would like to announce a new project called JPack, which will provide a GUI application for managing different types of packages for Solaris Operating System. for more information: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/tasks/jpack/ and http://blogs.sun.com/mig

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: New project: JPack - install

2007-05-11 Thread Paul Gress
MC wrote: the SUNW is part of the package name, it's also what the pkg commands expect[s] But does that matter for a graphical app like this? I haven't used it yet, but almost every package having SUNW on the front in the GUI doesn't help me at all, I'm pretty sure. I tend to agr

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Tim Scanlon
Linux is a reinvented wheel, and not always a very good one either. I do not think people understand portability very well beyond `will it run on RedHat AND SUSE?', which is quite a narrow perspective. POSIX is about portability, and I notice Linux programmers like to claim it an awful lot as a

[osol-discuss] Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Does this mean we are going to have to scrap the > Brand-Linux Zones, > and make a Brand-Solaris Zone? (For old-school > Solaris admins) Shades of Aegis+AUX -> Domain/IX -> Domain/OS! It was a strange environment, but at least it was innovative. Compatibility didn't kill it (although it might h

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun to make Solaris more Linux like

2007-05-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Thomas De Schampheleire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/10/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The fact that I had the "Schily userland", did allow me mostly forget > > about the platform I was working on.. using my editor, my shell, my > > "match" insteas of *grep, my tar,