number of years to get that work fairly well in telco environments.
The content that can't be handled with multicast, like on demand
programming, is where you lose your economy of scale.
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ss to their customers. I've seen
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Looking for hand-sele
Same results as NAT.
NAT != security. Stateful inspection = some security.
Next!!
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e upon a time, Scott Helms said:
Few home users have a stateful firewall configured
Yes, they do. NAT requires a stateful firewall. Why is that so hard to
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ward is often 4 to 6 in the home and I expect that to be
dirt common for very long time in the future.
On 1/12/2011 3:37 PM, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
In article,
Scott Helms wrote:
Few home users have a stateful firewall configured and AFAIK none of the
consumer models come with a good
this certainly isn't
an exhaustive test, but it tested the devices we needed checked. If
someone knows of a model that does block incoming (non-established TCP)
traffic by default I'd like to know about it. That's especially true of
combo DSL modem routers.
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unheard of
for another. Making generalizations about G/EPON gear is very hard right
now and its worse for the older standards like BPON.
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ators
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US have any sort of intelligent fair usage buffering provided by the
service provider. This is true for both cable, telco, and other operators.
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l customer
agreement spell out, in every example I've seen, realistic terms and
expectations for service and those are very different from peering
arrangements.
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> > So by extension, if you enter an agreement and promise to remain
> balanced y=
> > ou can just willfully throw that out and abuse the heck out of it? Where
> do=
> > es it end? Why even bother having peering policies at all then?
>
> It doesn'
Social media is not a big driver of symmetrical traffic here in the US or
internationally. Broadband suffers here for a number of reasons, mainly
topological and population density, in comparison to places like Japan,
parts (but certainly not all) of Europe, and South Korea.
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ss traffic than those that stream audio and video."
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asically zero. There is no expectation that back ups
run instantly. Having said all of that, even if hosted back up became
wildly popular would not change the balance of power because OTT video is
both larger, especially for HD streams, and used much more frequently.
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for a normal residential package.
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Blake Hudson wrote:
> Certainly video is one of the most bandwid
By this logic restaurants
should be massively over built so that there is never a waiting line,
highways should always be a speed limit ride, and all of these things would
cost much more money than they do today.
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cal bandwidth to all consumers just so
those few customers who need it today would have lower bills but trying to
justify that to our CFO without being able to point to an increase in
revenue either because of more revenue per sub or more subs is a very tough
task. I don't believe my situation is unc
I understand it but that's no
different from unlimited telephone service, all you can eat buffets, or
just about anywhere else you can see the word "unlimited" or all in
marketing. I'd also like to see much more competition in the market and
that's one the things I work to a
erent contract? Why was
Cogent able to maintain (roughly) symmetrical traffic with Comcast when
they were the primary path for Netflix to Comcast users?
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Matthew,
There is a difference between what should be philosophically and what
happened with Level 3 which is a contractual issue.
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On
first generations
(g.lite and g.dmt).
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 05:35:39 PM Jay
r the last 3
years) is about 0.2%. Interestingly if a customer does it once they have
about a 70% chance of doing it regularly.
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s
and many are well into the double digits. My current connection (tested
this morning) is about 22 mbps.
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less than
400 kbps at peak and averages something like 150 kbps.
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>From talking to folks involved with http://www.cablewifi.com/ and Comcast
support there is a separate service flow for the public SSID. I have yet
to configure that in the lab, but it sounds like a good project :)
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, and have
never considered getting an ASN because it doesn't do anything for them.
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Petac
the tier 1 ISP
individually. There have been many attempts at creating networks that
provide that kind of service but the economics are often bad.
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ng an ASN does _not_ make you
an ISP as most of the organizations that have one are not, nor would they
class themselves that way.
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view of what an ISP is in an eyeball network
context and that view is inaccurate.
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Petach
wrote:
look to be the most likely in no real
order.
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wrote:
> Thanks for adding thi
with Internet access.
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> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM, George Herbert
lable.
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> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> > Matt
months to be able to buy
bandwidth from anyone because there is no remaining capacity on the SONET
network and no other operator has any physical facilities in the area.
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absolute rights to the frequencies they're using.
If you want to know vendors that supply the gear, since most of the BWA
guys haven't grabbed it yet, let me know and I'll send what I have off list.
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n 214(e) Declaratory Ruling)."
That was once a requirement that kept most WISPs from being able to
participate, but is no longer. I don't personally see a large hurdle for
WISPs in the federal language and I work with 4 I know of that have ETC
status in 3 different states.
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n into some problems because the total speed on a GPON port is
asymmetrical, about 2.5 gbps down to 1.25 gbps up.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1
itive to public <--> private
competition but in cases where there is already a monopoly or even worse no
broadband service I can't see how keeping muni's out helps consumers.
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that
this is a good because it helps with the Netflix flap, but drawing
causality between their prior asymmetrical offering and the way they went
after transit is a mistake IMO.
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Bill,
I'd say your experience is anomalous. I don't know which township you're
in, but I'd suggest you focus on getting a set of more effective local
officials.
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Bill,
If your issues are common in your town then getting the attention of
city/town hall ought to be pretty damn easy, I've had to do so myself. If
its just your neighborhood it still ought not be very hard.
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Isn't it interesting how that coincides with pay per bit (for the most
part) pricing.
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ca By
anest
situations by far (that I've seen) had the city handling layer 1 and 2 with
the layer 2 hand off being Ethernet regardless of the access technology
used.
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7;t have a telco quality wiring center in place already and where
cities have the resources to build one the market usually doesn't need them
to.
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ing
wiring centers and central offices, the cities have never had this need and
most don't have a suitable building (power, cooling, and security) that
isn't already occupied. That's why its _much_ easier to let the ISPs bring
in some fiber and let them hold all their gear at their site
How
that happens very few consumers actually care about. What they do care
about is the city saying we have to raise $300,000 extra dollars in bond
money to build a new facility to house the ISPs who might want
to collocate with us.
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st because
your TDR doesn't see a reflection does not mean you have a clean path.
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Mikael Abrahamss
I'll be there when I see it can be done practically in the US. I agree
with you from a philosophical standpoint, but I don't see it being there
yet.
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That's not an excuse, its simply the political reality here in the US.
There is a narrow place band on the size scale for a municipality where
its politically acceptable in most places AND there is a true gap in
coverage. In nearly all of the larger areas, though there are some
exceptions, there
-connections-going-underground
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wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Scott Helms wrote:
&g
r distance covered but more homes and
businesses connected or the cabling being ready for connection (ie homes
passed).
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On Wed, Jul 23,
The problem is marketing/spin/lobbying is both cheaper and more effective
in most scenarios.
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Rich
many/most
enterprises and the thought of trying to explain sub-par networking to
most business leaders makes my teeth hurt.
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ernal networking is going to be very hard to educate
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oes that should get their own PI space and
multihome. Why would they do anything else? Owen
I thought we were talking about residential users specifically here...
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or DOCSIS) will/can handle layer 2 isolation already.
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to.
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en 30% for business accounts. I have visibility into access networks
around North America which gives me a sample size that is far larger
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user behavior of
searching in the address bar has become more common place, and
browser behavior to try and resolve first, fallback to search
for the same input field has both trained the humans to keep
doing this and made it possible for DNS query interlopers to
appear to be generic-search int
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ctually do it in a meaningful and sufficiently automatic way as to be
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Tim Chown wrote:
On 10 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Scott Helms wrote:
Neither of these are true, though in the future we _might_ have deployable
technology that allows for automated routing setup (though I very seriously
doubt it) in the home. Layer 2 isolation is both easier and more reliable than
a
the phone calls when users start to discover that /56s were not enough.
Owen
On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Tim,
Hence the "might". I worry when people start throwing around terms like routing in
the home that they don't understand the complexities of balanci
via DHCPv6-PD.
What is a CPE head-end router? That seems like an oxymoron. Where
would such an animal live, in the home or the head end/central office?
Who is responsible for purchasing it and managing it in your mind?
Owen
On Aug 11, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
Owen,
Th
On 8/11/2011 6:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Aug 11, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
On 8/11/2011 5:28 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
You're talking about the front end residential gateway that you manage. I'm
talking about
the various gateways and things you might not yet expect
ectric utility.
>
> ____
> From: "Scott Helms"
> To: "Art Plato"
> Cc: "Peter Kristolaitis" , nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:15:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?
>
> I&#x
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't wait for Telcordia to try to sue them over the prefix.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jra
>> --
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>> j...@baylink.com
>> Designer The Things I Think RFC
>
o be a Layer-2-available guy, cause I think it lets
> smaller
> >> players play. Does your position (likely more deeply thought out than
> >> mine) permit Layer 2 with Muni ONT and Ethernet handoff, as long as
> clients
> >> are *also* permitted to get a Layer 1 patch to a provider in
city or neighborhood or whatever to an
> independent MMR, I don't believe there's any reason you couldn't
> cross-connect
> various users home-run fibers to splitter/combiners inside the MMR and then
> run that to a PON system (if you really wanted to for some reason).
&g
at 4:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 13:27 , Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> You can't share access from one splitter to multiple OLTs so the location
> of the splitter isn't important. AFAIK there is simply no concept for that
> idea in any of t
nt, but I am hoping you will turn up
> more examples.)
>
>
> I don't know of any. Yes, it would eliminate part of the theoretical cost
> savings of the PON architecture, but the point is that it would provide a
> technology agnostic last mile infrastructure that could easily be
re is a good document that describes the problem in some detail:
http://www.ofsoptics.com/press_room/media-pdfs/FTTH-Prism-0909.pdf
Also, here is a proposed spec that would allow for longer runs post
splitter with some background on why it can't work in today's GPON
deployments.
of where the splitter is placed in
> the equation. Distance x loss + splitter insertion loss = total loss for
> purposes of link budget calculation.
>
> The reason to push splitters towards the customer end is financial, not
> technical.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2
Bit
> > fiber mesh, using L3 switches in DSLAMs on every street corner?
>
> Well, one reason is that, IMHO, the goal here is to provide a flexible
> L1 platform that will allow multiple competing providers a low barrier
> to entry to provide a multitude of competitive services.
>
&
d will require sufficient time to come to
> fruition.
>
>
> I wrote this as a summary for all the helpful NANOGers who chimed in this
> week, and as a clarification for those who weren't quite sure where *I*
> was trying to go -- all muni builds are sui generis, and this one m
ow what GPON is and have no gear to terminate that kind of
connection.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Scott Helms"
>
> > Why on earth would you do this with PON instead of active Ethernet?
> > Wha
7;t as mature when they started. Verizon's approach may
be what someone was thinking of when they said that PON was compatible to
cable signaling but that's not how it works.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
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> j...@baylink.com
> Designer
protocols.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> A layer 1 architecture isn't going to be an economical option for the
> foreseeable future so opining on its value is a waste of time...its simp
That's one of the reasons to look at active ethernet over gpon. There is
much more of a chance to do v6 on that gear, especially cisco's Metro
ethernet switches.
On Feb 2, 2013 5:27 PM, "Brandon Ross" wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> I'd al
y ANY
> provider for ANY service, or as close to that as possible.
>
> To make the offering more attractive to low-budget providers, the system
> may also incorporate some L2 services.
>
> Owen
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> C
ugh; I note you didn't
> throw a flag at that, or at Akamai; is the IPTV issue different to you?
>
> Fair point.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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> Designer The Things I Think
e long
> > term is much greater than the cost of initial gear and fiber install.
>
> Depends on what you're trying to do. But yes, I do know the difference
> between CAPEX and OPEX.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
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at I'm trying to tell you can't do. Its more expensive in
> > both the initial and long term costs.
>
> I can see 'initial', maybe, but if I reduce the utility of the field
> network by putting active equipment in it, then I've already raised the
> OPEX, substantially, as well as reducing the intrinsic value of that
> network.
>
I think you're vastly overestimating the desire that customers have for a
bare fiber. Having said that, your community may be different from what
I've experienced.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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Jason,
Yeah, that's what I figured. There are lots of older PON deployments that
used the modulated RF approach.
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Jason Baugher wrote:
>
> On Feb 2, 2013 3:33 PM, "Scott Helms" wrote:
> >
> ..
>
> > This is not corr
ves that to 7-8%. The fiber has a life of 40-80 years, and
> thus adding high count is cheaper than doing low count with GPON.
>
> Existing builds are optimizing to avoid sending out the backhoe and
> directional boring machine. New builds, or extreme forward thinking
> builds are try
ce you can
extend your ring when you need.
>
>
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On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Scott Helms
> wrote:
> > Here's the thing, over the time frame your describing you're probably
> going
> > to have to look at more fiber runs just
strand as ActiveE?
>
> Frank
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Helms [mailto:khe...@zcorum.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:30 PM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Fwd: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband
>
> > But it doesn't matter either way, ex
facilities provider will charge them
> to fix it.
>
> There would be no "just coming out of the wall". There would be a 6-12
> SC (FC?) connector patch panel in a small plastic enclosure, with the
> outside plant properly secured (conduit, in the wall, etc) and not
> expos
or so:
> http://www.ifcirca.net/
>
> When I last had network in the area, the cost was on the order of:
>- $1500/month/loop
>- $20/bldg on loop
>- one-time construction costs
>
>
>
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Owen,
> I think the confusion I have is that you seem to want to create solutions
> for problems that have already been solved. There is no cost effective
> method of
of
fiber connections in Europe is quite low.
>
> Owen
>
>
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at 14:39, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> > Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason.
>
> Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are
> always wrong, no doubt including this one.
>
>
> Joe (putting the N back in NANOG)
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Scott Helms"
>
> > > Basically when the customer (typically the service provider, but
> > > not always) orders a loop to a customer the muni provider would
>
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 02:39:39PM -0500, Scott Helms
> wrote:
> > > Basically when the customer (typically the service provider, but
> > > not always) orders a loop to a customer the muni provide
blic companies, and had open access imposed on them
> (some would say unfairly; I waver), and it's *expected* that this would
> be the case, but still...
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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systems).
4) They get their pricing "right". This last point is perhaps the most
important but hardest to do well.
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al rings) of Ethernet with nodes that then
connect down to the neighborhood level.
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> PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
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s receiving packets.
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