Congratulations Jared and well done with the hard work :)
Cheers,
James.
Systemd Blackhole is a very apt term as I am discovering.
I was once a linuxfromscratch "superuser" 10 years back, in a sense that
if anyone asked me the location of a lib.so and how to resolve a version
mismatch, I could fix it in a matter of minutes even if woken up at 4am in
the morning. Likew
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> To achieve the level of integration that timedated has with the rest
> of systemd would require more than just putting code into timedatectl
> to write out /etc/ntpd.conf and starting a service. timedated talks
> to networkd (that
>
Hi,
Is anyone from Vodafone around? We are having connectivity loss with
smtp.vodafone.nl and the helpdesk is not cooperating...
David Hofstee
Deliverability Management
MailPlus B.V. Netherlands (ESP)
On 2014-10-23 9:15, Matt Palmer wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:05:30PM -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
>> To achieve the level of integration that timedated has with the rest
>> of systemd would require more than just putting code into timedatectl
>> to write out /etc/ntpd.conf and starting a serv
Looking for a Yahoo Postmaster to contact me offlist.
Thank You
--Zach P.
JMZ Corporation
David Hofstee schreef op 23-10-2014 11:02:
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone from Vodafone around? We are having connectivity loss with
> smtp.vodafone.nl and the helpdesk is not cooperating...
I've had good succes getting a out of date bogon filter issue for all
Vodafone NL customers resolved after contactin
When I'm talking about "hardware initialization", I'm talking about the
huge part that appends *before* the kernel boots.
For example, hard-based RAID.
On my server, when I push the start button, bios start-up, do a lot of
awesome things (irony), start the raid (sloowly), and then, after 5min,
pop
"NANOG" wrote on 10/22/2014 10:47:46 PM:
> The arguments against systemd that I've seen so far:
>
> 1) It's different so it's bad.
> 2) There's a lot of code, there must be some really bad security
> problems just waiting to happen, so it's bad.
> 3) It doesn't do things the way we've always don
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:59:44PM +0100, Tom Hill wrote:
> It's Gentoo: "You should write your own" is the most likely answer.
Not if you ask nicely :)
--
Eray Aslan
On 10/21/2014 05:20 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> The all-in-one approach of systemd might have a place on some
> specialized desktop distros, but outside that niche its' IMO a
> terrible idea.
>
> The proper fix is probably a go back to Upstart or SysVInit and
> rewrite systemd, so all the pieces are
On 10/22/14, 9:01 AM, "Jeffrey Ollie" wrote:
>Bull. If you've been around the FOSS community even for a short
>while, you'd know that systemd has become a religious topic akin to
On 10/22/14, 10:41 AM, "Jeffrey Ollie" wrote:
>sums up my thoughts on the "unix philosophy". It's not the
>be-al
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Gregory Boyce wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
>> I think that Debian's plan to allow multiple init systems
>> (irregardless of which one is default) is a bad plan. The non-default
>> ones won't get any love - at some point they'll j
Howdy all,
I've been lurking for a long time, first time writing in. Please
excuse my inexperience. Javier, can you provide full traces, and
source/destination addresses?
/Charles
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Javier J
wrote:
> Anyone else notice this?
>
> Or is this an AWS issue in
I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require a
full reboot:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=300166
Is systemd really like a 2nd 'kernel' -- demanding mass reboots every
time a security issue is discove
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:57 PM, * wrote:
> Poettering's own blog for example even misleads on how systemd
> and sysvinit work http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
Oh look... he's related to PulseAudio and Avahi .
If you've ever tried above average audio on Linux, then you know all
abo
Jamie Lawrence wrote:
Some may see me as a "grumpy old man" for that. I see it as a technical
conservatism for my production environments borne of having been burned by
shiny-cool-new before one too many times, and a tired dislike of being
paged out of bed over some chrome plated new hotness t
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:25:36 -0400, Jim Popovitch said:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:57 PM, * wrote:
> > Poettering's own blog for example even misleads on how systemd
> > and sysvinit work http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
>
> Oh look... he's related to PulseAudio and Avahi .
And he
Randy wrote:
I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require a
full reboot:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=300166
Is systemd really like a 2nd 'kernel' -- demanding mass reboots every
time a security is
On 10/23/2014 at 10:56 AM Randy wrote:
|I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
|
|So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require
a
|full reboot:
|
|http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=300166
|
|Is systemd really like a 2nd 'kernel' -- demanding mass
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Mike. wrote:
>
>
> On 10/23/2014 at 10:56 AM Randy wrote:
>
> |I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
> |
> |So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require
> a
> |full reboot:
> |
> |http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t
On 10/22/2014 03:51 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
I wish I had a nickel for every time I started to implement something
in bash/sh, used it a while, and quickly realized I needed something
like perl and had to rewrite the whole thing.
Barry, you've been around a long time, and these words are pearls o
This is a good point, but it is perfectly possible to have a sysvinit
system not written in shell scripts. I had rewritten most of the init
system in python at one point for example. And its only been made easier
to do over time now that #! Interpertation was moved kernelside. A system
like this
I'd like to talk to someone with clue about open NTPd on a router of
yours. Normal support channels are totally failing me.
--
Bill Weiss
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:43:03 -0400, Lamar Owen said:
> Now, I've read the arguments, and I am squarely in the 'do one thing and
> do it well' camp. But, let's turn that on its head, shall we? Why oh
> why do we want every single package to implement its own initscript and
> possibly do it poorly?
I think the routing system would be in a much happier [less bad] place
if only had a minor amount of the energy and resources that USG (and
RIRs) have been put towards RPKI and BGPSEC (i.e., IETF SIDR work) would
have been redirected to lower hanging fruit and better recognizing /
leveraging
On Oct 23, 2014 2:27 PM, "Danny McPherson" wrote:
>
>
>
> I think the routing system would be in a much happier [less bad] place if
only had a minor amount of the energy and resources that USG (and RIRs)
have been put towards RPKI and BGPSEC (i.e., IETF SIDR work) would have
been redirected to lo
On October 22, 2014 at 15:31 jfb...@gmail.com (Ricky Beam) wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:31:02 -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
> > Perhaps you don't remember the days when an fsck was
> > basically mandatory and could take 15-20 minutes on a large disk.
>
> Journaling has all but done away with
On October 23, 2014 at 04:42 ra...@psg.com (Randy Bush) wrote:
> Barry Schein:
Interesting you went to the trouble to add a 'c' to my name! You need
better quoting tools.
> > I'm reminded of the remark often attributed to DEC CEO Ken Olson,
> > roughly:
> >
> > With VMS (their big comple
Going way off topic but what's still a disaster in log files is the
lack of standardization of output.
As another extreme OS/370 catalogued virtually (hah) every error msg,
if you thought you had a new one you added it to the catalogue as you
added it to an error msg in your program and it was li
On 10/23/2014 02:22 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:43:03 -0400, Lamar Owen said:
Now, I've read the arguments, and I am squarely in the 'do one thing and
do it well' camp. But, let's turn that on its head, shall we? Why oh
why do we want every single package to imple
On 10/23/2014 10:43 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Wouldn't it be more 'do one thing well' if you had a 'super' inetd
> setup that can start services in a better way than with individually
> packaged (by different packagers in most cases) shell scripts that are
> going to run as root?
inetd versus xine
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:12:13PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Mike. wrote:
> > GNU/Linux is morphing into GNU/systemd
>
> Let's start calling it Systemd/Linux... that will get RMS on their
> case real fast. :-)
I don't think they've done anything to dese
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:56:40AM -0400, Randy wrote:
> I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
>
> So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require
> a full reboot:
>
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=300166
>
> Is systemd really like a 2nd 'kerne
Matt Palmer wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:12:13PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Mike. wrote:
GNU/Linux is morphing into GNU/systemd
Let's start calling it Systemd/Linux... that will get RMS on their
case real fast. :-)
I don't think they've done anyth
On 2014-10-23 12:33, Christopher Morrow wrote:
Sounds like you want to see the rirs make sure they get rpki work
dine and widely available with the least encumbrances on the network
operator community as possible.
Or focus on more short/intermediate term returns like fortifying all
the existi
Having recently encountered a problem with a machine, I’m looking for an
inexpensive KVMoIP device to place within a facility to take VGA/USB Keyboard
for a single host scale. Ideally something that can be properly placed on the
internet, but that’s not a showstopper.
If you’re willing to loan
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 04:17:14PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Matt Palmer wrote:
> >On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:12:13PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> >>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Mike. wrote:
> >>>GNU/Linux is morphing into GNU/systemd
> >>Let's start calling it Systemd/Linux... tha
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 04:54:17PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote:
> Having recently encountered a problem with a machine, I’m looking for
> an inexpensive KVMoIP device to place within a facility to take
> VGA/USB Keyboard for a single host scale. Ideally something that can
> be properly placed on the
Randy wrote:
> I've enjoyed kernel hot patches (ksplice) until now.
>
> So my primary concern is that updates to systemd appears to require a full
> reboot:
>
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=300166
>
> Is systemd really like a 2nd 'kernel' -- demanding mass reboots every time
a
> IRR usage, training, tools, and better hygiene, perhaps expressly validated
> from resource certification from either RPKI
You might be interested in the draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05.txt, which suggests
using RPKI to protect RPSL objects.
That would help solve the trust problem in the current
On 10/23/2014 03:54 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
> Having recently encountered a problem with a machine, I’m looking for an
> inexpensive KVMoIP device to place within a facility to take VGA/USB Keyboard
> for a single host scale. Ideally something that can be properly placed on
> the internet, but t
On 2014-10-23 15:02, Sandra Murphy wrote:
IRR usage, training, tools, and better hygiene, perhaps expressly
validated from resource certification from either RPKI
You might be interested in the draft-ietf-sidr-rpsl-sig-05.txt, which
suggests using RPKI to protect RPSL objects.
Yep, I'm aware
Those of y'all who were at NANOG62 may remember a presentation from the ICANN
Internet Service Provider and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP).
I feel somewhat bad because I misunderstood what they were sayingin,
and kinda lost my cool during the preso. Anyway, the ISPCP met at
ICANN 51
some history.
at the montevideo icann meeting (september, 2001), there were so few
attendees to either the ispc (now ispcp) and the bc (still bc), that
these two meetings merged. at the paris icann meeting (june, 2008) staff
presented an analysis of the voting patters of the gnso constituencie
i can hand you a spider at ripe or ietf. or ship if you are desperate.
randy
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Stephen Satchell wrote:
On 10/22/2014 08:20 PM, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
And maybe, you should check out some of the upstream bug reports re.
systemd interactions with NTP.
If you think the current situation is all good then maybe you
On 10/23/2014 02:15, Matt Palmer wrote:
This is the core problem with systemd, in my mind -- and what has gotten
Linus, amongst other people, so thoroughly cheesed off with the systemd
devs. They don't play well with other children. They don't appear
particularly interested in reusing any exis
On 10/23/14 4:01 PM, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Stephen Satchell wrote:
On 10/22/2014 08:20 PM, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
And maybe, you should check out some of the upstream bug reports re.
systemd interactions with NTP.
If you think the curr
Hi,
While I'm sure most of the folks on NANOG are fully aware of the myriad of
acronyms and Byzantine structures in the ICANN universe (:)), I thought some
translation for those not inoculated with ICANNese may be helpful:
On Oct 23, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
> some histo
All those init.d scripts do about 95% the same thing, all hacked
together in shell. Most of them are probably just slightly edited
versions of some few paleo-scripts.
Set the location of the pid file, set the path of the executable, set
the command line flags/options, maybe change some flags/opti
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