Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 02:27:01 AM Jimmy Hess wrote: > It would be interesting if Google, Wikimedia, CBS/ABC, > CNN, Walmart, Espn, Salesforce, BoFa, Weather.com, > Dropbox, Paypal, Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, > Amazon, Yahoo, Ebay, Wordpress.com, Pinterest, > Instagram, Tumblr, Red

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 04:21:32 AM Corey Touchet wrote: > Right now my thinking are MX480 or ASR9k platforms. > Opinions on those are equally welcome as alternatives, > but I’d love to hear from those with personal > experiences today vs sales people trying to tell me it > would route the worl

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 30 juillet 2014 09:53 +0200, Mark Tinka  : > IOS XR on the CRS and ASR9000 is based on QNX, which suffers > from being only a 32-bit kernel. So even if the hardware > will ship with >4GB of RAM, the OS will only see 4GB (I have > 12GB in my CRS's and 8GB on my ASR9001's). What's the point

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:12:44 AM Vincent Bernat wrote: > What's the point of shipping more memory then? Maybe the > OS can only address 4GB per process but is able to use > up to 64GB in total (PAE)? That was one argument from Cisco - that when the software catches up, they might be able

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> From: Mark Tinka > Commercial trends have been moving farther and farther away > from, "How much bandwidth do you want to buy?" to, "How many > Tv channels, voice minutes and cloud recording can I get?", > particularly in much more developed markets Internet should be utility, many providing

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brandon Butterworth wrote: Yes, I like to remind those engaging in peering wars and charging for access users to be careful when creating reasons for others to become their competition As a broadcaster we send our content direct to users over the air, there is opportunity in not making us do s

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:50:17 PM Brandon Butterworth wrote: > Internet should be utility, many providing it don't wnat > to be a utility and so try doing other services usually > best left to specialists When we did FTTH at $previous_employer, it really was the first time an operator (al

BGP communities question

2014-07-30 Thread Philip
Hello Nanog, I'm fairly new to running my employers multihomed BGP network with our own ASN. Things have been relatively smooth and stable for the past few months. We have 2 upstream ISP's giving us full routes. We have a single link to each provider, but I run two BGP sessions over that single l

Re: Recommendations for a decent DWDM optical power meter.

2014-07-30 Thread Jeff Walter
We also have a Solid Optics CWDM meter and it does the job quite nicely. It feels solid (haha...) and is relatively cheap. -- Jeff Walter On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Neil Davidson wrote: > We have the Solid Optics DWDM and CWDM power meters. Simple, inexpensive > and works well ... > http

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Simon Lockhart wrote: > On Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 02:21:32AM +, Corey Touchet wrote: >> Right now my thinking are MX480 or ASR9k platforms. Opinions on those are > Or, protect your existing investment in 6500 and replace the SUP720 with the > SUP2T. You can then

Re: BGP communities question

2014-07-30 Thread Dave Bell
This sounds perfectly acceptable. Your ISP-B should have a published list of communities that do different things. You need to choose the specific community to get the behaviour you are after. For example you can see a list of what Level3 accept from customers about half way down here: http://ones

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 03:06:55 PM Jimmy Hess wrote: > I would generally suggest you look at it as a long term > decision, at least before jumping to the next > incremental (modest increase) on the upgrade treadmill. > It depends on whether the 6500 is still a perfect match > for your networ

Re: Upgrade Path Options from 6500 SUP720-3BXL for Edge Routing

2014-07-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2014-07-30 08:06 -0500), Jimmy Hess wrote: > Keep in mind most of the MX series makes the 6500 look like a 5 port > linksys home router, when it comes to carrying around and managing > large BGP tables; both in terms of prefix capacity, speed, the > policy/filtering/configuration managemen

Re: FW: Public Notice: FCC asks for comments on network security

2014-07-30 Thread Pieter Hulshoff
On 27-07-14 16:15, Livingood, Jason wrote: FYI. The U.S. Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau released a Public Notice on Friday (copied below), seeking comment on the “implementation and effectiveness of the CSRIC III recommendations”. Comments are due by September 26. Some folks here

Re: FW: Public Notice: FCC asks for comments on network security

2014-07-30 Thread Alain Hebert
Should. It is a few million$ in man hours thou. ( Not necessary spent, but budgeted ) And still no BCP38 recommendation. I wonder: 1. If they taught of it; 2. What was their process to not include it; Oh well. - Alain Hebert

Call for Nominations to ARIN AC and ARIN Board – Reminder

2014-07-30 Thread John Curran
NANOGers - Anyone can become a member of the ARIN Board or ARIN AC - if you are interested, please have an ARIN Member nominate you today for the upcoming ARIN Elections. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
The only actual residential data I can offer is my own. I am fully dual stack and about 40% of my traffic is IPv6. I am a netflix subscriber, but also an amazon prime member. I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it would make a significant difference. Other than

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Corey Touchet
There¹s still a lot of websites that are not with the times. No ipv6 on CNN, FOX, or NBC news websites. Slashdot.org shame on you! Comcast and AT&T work, but not Verizon. No surprise there. Power company nope. I think CGN is fine for 99% of customers out there. Until the iPhone came out Ve

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Corey Touchet said: > Comcast is pushing over 1TBPS of IPv6 traffic, but I¹m sure that¹s mainly > video from Youtube and Netflix. One thing to remember about the video services that do support IPv6 is that a lot of end users, even if they have IPv6 in the home, won't see them o

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
> There really is very little reason why certain major content > owners and providers who operate their own IP networks > cannot turn around and become full-blown wholesale ISP's > (and in some cases, consumer ISP's). > > As a transit provider industry, we need to get our act > together and pl

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread TJ
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Amazon apparently recently hired Yurie Rich Spence> to work on their issues. > And Yurie recently posted an opening for an IPv6 Engineer at same ... for any so inclined. /TJ

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/30/2014 09:16 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Corey Touchet said: Comcast is pushing over 1TBPS of IPv6 traffic, but I¹m sure that¹s mainly video from Youtube and Netflix. One thing to remember about the video services that do support IPv6 is that a lot of end users, even if t

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it would > make a significant difference. Per Microsoft public statements, they are now moving address space allocated them in Brazil to the US to fill a major service shortfa

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:21:46 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > Yes and no… > > The barrier to Netflix becoming a consumer ISP is very > high… Very very high. It costs a lot of money to deploy > all that last mile infrastructure, assuming you can get > permits, acquire rights-of-way, etc. to even do

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Ca By
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message > , Gary > Buhrmaster writes: >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> > >> > On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> . >> >> Add to that over half your traffic will switch to IPv6 as long as

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it would > make a significant difference. Someone that works for Amazon once told me that they are primed for it now; the question is whether their customers tick the box appr

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread randal k
We peer with Netflix directly on an exchange, and transit Level3, Cogent, HE & TW. In me experience, when our direct peer is down for whatever reason, Netflix prefers Hurricane Electric no matter what - if the route is there, it takes it - then Cogent, then Level3, then TW. I agree that the Netfl

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:04:31 -0600, randal k said: > I agree that the Netflix team is responsive and easy to work with, and > again in my experience, their network team is extremely interested in > making things happen (despite what blogs & hearsay ...) Well, it *is* in their best interests to ma

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread joshua rayburn
You can utilize an ASR 1006 / 1013 with an ESP card for CGN functionality. Starting in 3.10 code you can utilize Bulk Port Allocation to carve out small consecutive port bundles for end users as to not mess up SIP functionsand High Speed Logging to log individual customers ports for law enforcement

On a future of open settlement free peering

2014-07-30 Thread Daniel Golding
I hesitate to respond to Mr. Bennett. But since he has asserted my opinion on this matter... There is no reasonable reading of the early FCC Open Internet proposed rulemaking that would lead to a ban on paid peering. It takes a number of logical leaps and a great deal of inference to even get clos

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/30/2014 11:41 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: Someone that works for Amazon once told me that they are primed for it now Pun intended? :)

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <53d96dbd.3070...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > On 07/30/2014 11:41 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > Someone that works for Amazon once told me that they are primed for it now > > Pun intended? :) The best thing Amazon could do would be to stop stocking IPv4 only CPE devices.

Re: Owning a name

2014-07-30 Thread Collin Anderson
An update, apparently writs of attachment were sent for not only .ir, but also .sy and .kp ccTLDs as well, based on separate cases related to support for terrorism. ICANN has filed a motion to quash the writs and taken the position that the domains are not assets. Press: http://www.securityweek.co

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 30, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 06:21:46 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Yes and no… >> >> The barrier to Netflix becoming a consumer ISP is very >> high… Very very high. It costs a lot of money to deploy >> all that last mile infrastructure, assuming yo

Netflix And AT&T Sign Peering Agreement

2014-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
Seems germane to recent conversations ... Netflix has signed a peering agreement with AT&T that will see the video streaming service pay the ISP for direct connection to its network. Previously, Netflix signed similar agreements with Comcast and Verizon. http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/29/netfl

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 30, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it would >> make a significant difference. > > Someone that works for Amazon once told me that they are primed

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-30 Thread Leo Bicknell
On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:47 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > Symmetrical would be tough to do unless you're doing Active- > E. I'm an outlier in my thinking, but I believe the best world would be where the muni offered L1 fiber, and leased access to it on a non-discrimatory basis. That would necessitate

Re: Netflix And AT&T Sign Peering Agreement

2014-07-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Doug Barton" > Seems germane to recent conversations ... > > Netflix has signed a peering agreement with AT&T that will see the video > streaming service pay the ISP for direct connection to its network. > > Previously, Netflix signed similar agreements wit

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:39:14 -0700, Owen DeLong said: > I was talking about Amazon, not AWS. Yes, AWS would help too, but in terms of > the Alexa list, Amazon would swing the percentage meaningfully. I don’t know > to > what extent AWS would swing the percentage. There's probably not much stuff

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 30, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <53d96dbd.3070...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: >> On 07/30/2014 11:41 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>> Someone that works for Amazon once told me that they are primed for it now >> >> Pun intended? :) > > The best thing Am

Re: Owning a name

2014-07-30 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Collin Anderson wrote: > An update, apparently writs of attachment were sent for not only .ir, but > also .sy and .kp ccTLDs as well, based on separate cases related to support > for terrorism. ICANN has filed a motion to quash the writs and taken the > position that

Re: Owning a name

2014-07-30 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Wonder how long it is before we recognize the need for an international > technical court for such matters where the guy on the bench has to be not > just a lawyer, but a nerd, too. Can I nominate Judge William Alsup?

Re: Owning a name

2014-07-30 Thread Larry Sheldon
I keep thinking (in this "you can not own a name" thing) about the early occupants of North America who to a man, I believe, argued that fences were just wrong, because you can't own the land. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: Netflix And AT&T Sign Peering Agreement

2014-07-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Doug Barton" > >> Seems germane to recent conversations ... >> >> Netflix has signed a peering agreement with AT&T that will see the video >> streaming service pay the ISP for direct connection to its ne

Re: Owning a name

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Rudholm
On 07/30/2014 05:10 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Collin Anderson wrote: An update, apparently writs of attachment were sent for not only .ir, but also .sy and .kp ccTLDs as well, based on separate cases related to support for terrorism. ICANN has filed a motion to quash

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-30 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 08:05:28PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:39:14 -0700, Owen DeLong said: > > > I was talking about Amazon, not AWS. Yes, AWS would help too, but in terms > > of > > the Alexa list, Amazon would swing the percentage meaningfully. I don’t > >

Re: Netflix And AT&T Sign Peering Agreement

2014-07-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Jay Ashworth" > > Previously, Netflix signed similar agreements with Comcast and > > Verizon. > > > > http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/29/netflix-and-att-sign-peering-agreement/ > > Am I nuts in thinking that *someone* has mispelt "Netflix agrees to > buy trans

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 01:56:40 AM Leo Bicknell wrote: > I'm an outlier in my thinking, but I believe the best > world would be where the muni offered L1 fiber, and > leased access to it on a non-discrimatory basis. That > would necessitate an Active-E solution since L1 would > not have thing

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 01:35:32 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > In that case, I would argue that the attempts to freeze > Netflix out in a SlowLane extortion scheme are a move by > the existing content/ISP conglomerates to do just > exactly that, no? For Netflix, I can't say for sure whether it is a