On 9/27/12 5:58 AM, Darius Jahandarie wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/terabit-ethernet-is-dead-for-now/
Terabit Ethernet is Dead, for Now
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this a
Scott Howard writes:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
>
>> Guys seem to think that it's gender neutral. The majority of women are
>> used to this, but they have indicated to me that they don't believe it to
>> be very neutral. Using "guys" is not gender neutral, it's flat out i
> Given the lack of truly neutral terms in english, I have
> taken to alternative my pronouns interchangably when I write.
"Folks"? I really do mean "folks" when I write "guys", but I do understand why
it can come across as exclusionary, and I try to force myself into the habit of
"folks". It
> "Folks"? I really do mean "folks" when I write "guys",
folk is the plural
and, as far as the use of gender-biased terms, as someone said well the
other day, when you are in a hole, stop digging
randy
The assumption of a 1-1 correspondence between gender and sex is old fashioned
nowadays.
On 28/09/2012, at 6:30 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Scott Howard writes:
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
>>
>>> Guys seem to think that it's gender neutral. The majority of women are
>>>
Maybe the OP for "really nasty attacks" in hindsight wishes "NANOGers" was used
instead to address the list. :)
Having "all walks of life" essentially all around, it really makes one careful
to truly think before speaking. Sometimes we miss this with everything we have
going on, but no one is p
> > Guys seem to think that it's gender neutral. The majority of women are
> > used to this, but they have indicated to me that they don't believe it to
> > be very neutral. Using "guys" is not gender neutral, it's flat out implying
> > the other gender doesn't matter. *
>
> The Oxford English dic
Given that this thread started out as a query re. a "really nasty
attack," and resulted in:
5 on-topic responses (2 of which also commented on "guys")
>20 responses re. "guys" (I stopped counting)
It occurs to me that maybe "morons" or "idiots" might be an appropriate
gender-neutral framing.
-
not how i read that section Owen...
"...networks require interconnectivity and the private IP address numbers are
ineffective, globally unique addresses may be requested and used to provide
this interconnectivity."
One does not have to request RFC 1918 space from ARIN (or other RIR)
and th
On 27 September 2012 22:34, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
> Police-clown. Yep!
Here in the UK, apparently the government preferred term for
policepersons is "pleb"...
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=police+pleb
Aled
Are we really still talking about this?
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Aled Morris wrote:
> On 27 September 2012 22:34, Lorell Hathcock wrote:
> > Police-clown. Yep!
>
> Here in the UK, apparently the government preferred term for
> policepersons is "pleb"...
>
> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=pol
> From: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. [mailto:o...@ocosa.com]
> As Owen mentioned saying "human" seems okay and true but then again,
> because it's not the norm it raises some question. (Internal thinking
> process, "Oh I'm a HUMAN, well I that is true" then your
> temperature gets back to normal) :)
Bill, I am unable to make sense of your reply.
The question I was answering was:
"Wouldn't you say that there is a very real expectation that when you request
address space through ARIN or RIPE that it would be routable?" (Which I admit
at the time I interpreted to also indicate an expectation
- Original Message -
> From: "Owen DeLong"
> > As a form of address. "Hey, people" is ... well, nearly abrasive.
> > (Envision a waitron walking up to a mixed table of 10.)
> >
>
> Sure, in that limited context. In such a circumstance, I believe the phrase
> "ladies and gentlem[ae]n" is
On Sep 28, 2012, at 3:29 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> "Folks"? I really do mean "folks" when I write "guys",
>
>
>
> folk is the plural
>
> and, as far as the use of gender-biased terms, as someone said well the
> other day, when you are in a hole, stop digging
>
> randy
According to my Dict
On 9/28/2012 9:18 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Owen DeLong"
As a form of address. "Hey, people" is ... well, nearly abrasive.
(Envision a waitron walking up to a mixed table of 10.)
Sure, in that limited context. In such a circumstance, I believe the phrase
"la
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:43:21 -0400, Miles Fidelman said:
> Given that this thread started out as a query re. a "really nasty
> attack," and resulted in:
> 5 on-topic responses (2 of which also commented on "guys")
> >20 responses re. "guys" (I stopped counting)
> It occurs to me that maybe "morons
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:18:54 -0700, Owen DeLong said:
>
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 3:29 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> >> "Folks"? I really do mean "folks" when I write "guys",
> >
> >
> >
> > folk is the plural
> >
> > and, as far as the use of gender-biased terms, as someone said well the
> > other day,
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:43:21 -0400, Miles Fidelman said:
Given that this thread started out as a query re. a "really nasty
attack," and resulted in:
5 on-topic responses (2 of which also commented on "guys")
>20 responses re. "guys" (I stopped counting)
It occurs
- Original Message -
> From: "Eric Parsonage"
> The assumption of a 1-1 correspondence between gender and sex is old
> fashioned nowadays.
Mammals have sex.
*Words* (and only words) have gender.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@bayl
- Original Message -
> From: "Otis L. Surratt, Jr."
> Having "all walks of life" essentially all around, it really makes one
> careful to truly think before speaking. Sometimes we miss this with
> everything we have going on, but no one is perfect.
>
> The bottomline is, no one can reall
Note: this will be my one and only contribution to this thread.
While this thread has generated some very interesting and
thought-provoking discussions, I still think it strays pretty far from
being on-topic for NANOG. That being the case, let's all get back to
operating our respective networ
Le 2012-09-28 12:15, Jay Ashworth a écrit :
The assumption of a 1-1 correspondence between gender and sex is old
fashioned nowadays.
Mammals have sex.
*Words* (and only words) have gender.
There's an RFC about that! RFC 6350, section 6.2.7, about the GENDER
vCard property:
6.2.7. GENDER
On 09/28/2012 09:43 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
Le 2012-09-28 12:15, Jay Ashworth a écrit :
The assumption of a 1-1 correspondence between gender and sex is old
fashioned nowadays.
Mammals have sex.
*Words* (and only words) have gender.
There's an RFC about that! RFC 6350, section 6.2.7, abo
Original Message -
> From: "Simon Perreault"
> > *Words* (and only words) have gender.
>
> There's an RFC about that! RFC 6350, section 6.2.7, about the GENDER
> vCard property:
And kudos to Simon for bring it back to a semblence of on-topic-ness. Glad
to see that the authors of 6350
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I
dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
Joe
I've seen requests for a drawing of some sort, but never specifically and
exclusively visio.
If they insist on visio, I would send them a LART (at high velocity) instead.
-Randy
- Original Message -
> Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
> customer gig circu
On 9/28/12 11:08 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
> customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I
> dont know).
>
> Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
>
Hand draw two squares, label them "our AS" and "your A
And super duper bonus points is you draw pigeons carrying packets between
the two blocks and stating that you are RFC 1149 compliant.
-Mike
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 9/28/12 11:08 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> > Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to d
As a person who often draws out + scans diagrams, I support this message.
On 09/28/2012 01:18 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> Hand draw two squares, label them "our AS" and "your AS" with a line
> between them labeled "GigE". Bonus points for pencil.
>
> ~Seth
Wow... talk about someone who doesn't want your business.
Randy Carpenter wrote:
I've seen requests for a drawing of some sort, but never specifically and
exclusively visio.
If they insist on visio, I would send them a LART (at high velocity) instead.
-Randy
- Original Message -
Jus
Just make sure to name the scanned file VisioDi~1_vsd.png, and maybe they won't
notice.
-Randy
- Original Message -
> As a person who often draws out + scans diagrams, I support this
> message.
>
> On 09/28/2012 01:18 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > Hand draw two squares, label them "ou
>
> As a person who often draws out + scans diagrams, I support this message.
>
> > Hand draw two squares, label them "our AS" and "your AS" with a line
> > between them labeled "GigE". Bonus points for pencil.
>
Exactly - hand draw it, scan it it in and save the .JPG/.PNG in a .VSD.
There, it is
On 28/09/2012 19:08, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a customer
> gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I dont know).
>
> Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
I was once asked by a vendor support department for a networ
Deric Kwok wrote:
Hi all
Do you have experience in 40G equipments
eg: switch and NIC?
I have never used 40 gig but this:
http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/blackdiamond-x.aspx
appears to have 192 ports of it. I have never seen or used this product
so am not recommending it or attempti
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:29:50 -0400, Randy Carpenter said:
> Just make sure to name the scanned file VisioDi~1_vsd.png, and maybe they
> won't notice.
That's eeevil. ;)
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On Sep 28, 2012, at 12:17 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:29:50 -0400, Randy Carpenter said:
>> Just make sure to name the scanned file VisioDi~1_vsd.png, and maybe they
>> won't notice.
>
> That's eeevil. ;)
echo $Vladis_Statement >> evil_indeed.vsd
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:22:14AM -0700, Mike Lyon wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 9/28/12 11:08 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> > > Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
> > > customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Joe Maimon wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a customer gig
circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
In my quaint little corner of the world, this was once fairly r
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Joe Maimon wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a customer gig
circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
I can understand wanting to diagram a complex design, so everyo
Yo Joe!
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
> customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of
> what I dont know).
Network diagrams are required for PCI compliance.
1.1.2 Current network diagram with
ah... again the distinction between routed and routable.
RFC 1918 space is clearly routeable and routed. one does not need ARIN to
assign such space.
what i -think- the NRPM section you refered to actually touches on (but does
not state outright)
the concept of uniqueness. In the dim mi
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Gary E. Miller wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of
what I dont know).
Network diagrams are required for PCI compliance.
I can understand (and fully support) the need for
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Joe Maimon wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what
I dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
I can understand wanting to diagram
If memory serves me right, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> Hand draw two squares, label them "our AS" and "your AS" with a line
> between them labeled "GigE". Bonus points for pencil.
Double-bonus for crayon (why yes I do have a young child, why do you ask?).
Bruce.
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On 9/28/2012 1:08 PM, Joe Maimon wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what
I dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
Joe
Regardless of all the other comments here making fun of
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 28 21:13:05 2012 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date
BGP Update Report
Interval: 20-Sep-12 -to- 27-Sep-12 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072
TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name
1 - AS8402 102990 5.0% 62.8 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC "Vimpelcom"
2 - AS163729779 1.4
Jason Baugher wrote:
On 9/28/2012 1:08 PM, Joe Maimon wrote:
Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what
I dont know).
Has anybody else seen this brain damage?
Regardless of all the other comments here
I agree. Perhaps the ISP goes a little above and beyond most, and will
provide configuration assistance to the downstream if they have issues.
Useful info they might want to see on the diagram could be your AS (duh),
ASes downstream from you, are you multihomed, and with who, what prefixes
and or
> Mike Lyon wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 9/28/12 11:08 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> > > Just got told by a Lightpath person that in order to do BGP on a
> > > customer gig circuit to them they would need a visio diagram (of what I
> > > dont know).
> > >
> >
On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:41 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>
> The proper approach is to ask the vendor for RFC 1149 trasport for the BGP
> session, and whether it terminates in a shared cage, or if a fully private
> one is required. Including an 'envionmental impact statement'. Explaining
> that th
You won't have enough addresses for Dark Matter, Neutrinos, etc. Atoms
wind up using up about 63 bits (2^10^82) based on the current SWAG. The
missing mass is 84% of the universe.
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:30 PM
> To
You won't have enough addresses for Dark Matter, Neutrinos, etc. Atoms
wind up using up about 63 bits (2^10^82) based on the current SWAG. The
missing mass is 84% of the universe.
Fortunately, until we find it, it doesn't need addresses.
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra
My customer the Dark Matter local galaxy group beg to disagree; just because
you cannot see them does not mean that you cannot feel them gravitationally.
Or route to them.
George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:31 PM, "John R. Levine" wrote:
>> You won't have enoug
To address everything in the Universe wouldn't you then get stuck in
some kinda of loop of having to address the matter that is used by the
addresses... i.e. to address everything in the Universe you need more
matter than the Universe?
*brain* pop
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM, George Herbert w
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