Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-27 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
But it seems, that NetFPGA has not enough memory to hold a full view (current 340k routes). It's just a development platform for prototyping designs, not something you would use in production... I want to use it to implement and test ideas that I have, and play with some different forwarding arc

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Randy Bush writes: >> http://n1.netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/summary/id=43ca253f-6714-b0f7e7b0-d08e-4729-b491#BufferResult > > wow! lime's buffering and 587 hacking make me like caribbean cable more > and more. hmm, 587 hacking, issue with configuration, or typo? Direct TCP connections to re

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not > sound like a 587 problem to me. > > netalyzr folks? comment? Cisco PIX?

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not > sound like a 587 problem to me. > > netalyzr folks? comment? Sorry, I hit send too soon ... I've heard from a couple of people that the PIX will remap 587 (and 25) to oddball por

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/25/2010 6:47 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: I don't recall any protocols being standard. I don't either, though I recall bittorrent actually supporting it once and pushing to have ISP support and stay away from encryption/ISP circumvention. That was years ago. Haven't stayed current. Plent

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:30:06 PDT, Lyndon Nerenberg said: > I've heard from a couple of people that the PIX will remap 587 (and 25) > to oddball ports if you fiddle the config just right. Given all the > other bogosity that box does with SMTP I wonder if there's truth to the > rumour. (I haven't f

RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Leigh Porter
-Original Message- From: Jack Bates [mailto:jba...@brightok.net] Sent: 27 September 2010 17:39 To: Adrian Chadd Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth On 9/25/2010 6:47 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >> I don't recall any protocols being standard. >> >I don't either, t

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:44:37 BST, Leigh Porter said: > We had a great P2P cache from Cache Appliance. Did anybody else try > them? Can you say anything about what size cache it was, and what amount of bandwidth savings it produced? pgpHbKjlAd43Z.pgp Description: PGP signature

RE: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-27 Thread Holmes,David A
With the assumption that you will have a wired backhaul to your HQ over which the retail access-layer devices connect to commerce servers, make sure that the wireless carrier's gateways to their wired network (where the wired backhaul is connected to) are geographically well-dispersed such that wir

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Jake Khuon
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 21:45 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Yeah, because IOS and JUNOS don't have idiosyncrasies. :-) Not gonna argue with you on that one. However, the world has changed since the days where the chances of clueful unix systems engineering knowledge and clueful BGP routing knowledge

RE: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> -Original Message- > From: Lyndon Nerenberg [mailto:lyn...@orthanc.ca] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:30 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Randy in Nevis > > On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > > "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not >

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:27:28 BST, Brandon Butterworth said: > I fail to see the point. If an ISP needs to add caches they may > as well just add a simple, cheaper, standard, http cache. It's a bang-per-buck issue, and depends highly on whether your particular network sees more HTTP or P2P traffic

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > I fail to see the point. If an ISP needs to add caches they may > > as well just add a simple, cheaper, standard, http cache. > > It's a bang-per-buck issue, and depends highly on whether your > particular network sees more HTTP or P2P traffic. Orly. No, I mean if there have to be caches why

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Leigh Porter
On 27 Sep 2010, at 20:54, Brandon Butterworth wrote: >>> I fail to see the point. If an ISP needs to add caches they may >>> as well just add a simple, cheaper, standard, http cache. >> >> It's a bang-per-buck issue, and depends highly on whether your >> particular network sees more HTTP or P2P

Re: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/25/2010 13:37, Leo Woltz wrote: > I am looking for some guidance from the list. We will soon be deploying > wireless payment devices (CDMA/GSM). We are looking at options on where to > locate the servers that will run the backend payment gateways; we would like > the least amount of latency

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/27/2010 2:54 PM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: No, I mean if there have to be caches why use p2p in the first place, once there's a network of caches p2p becomes a more complicated http and that model has been well optimised by some. It's a redundancy factor. By participating in a p2p networ

RE: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Dylan Ebner
We have looked at using open source routers for our border, but in the end we cannot make the numbers add up. Once Cisco released the x9xx ISR2 routers, the x8xx have tanked in price on the used market. So, for about the same as a vyatta router running on newer hardware that you can trust you ca

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Bret Clark
We use a mix of software and hardware based routers, have found little difference between the two platforms in terms of performance and stability. Our software base routers are serving a couple 100Mbps upstream links running on some HP Proliants with dual PS and dual HD's that we picked up on e

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread cmaurand
I haven't found that to be the case. The larger memory space available to the kernel allows for larger BGP tables and filtering tables. I've seen BSD based systems running thousands of concurrent tunnels and the processors available in the linux/BSD space bury anything that the router manufactur

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Heath Jones
Do jitter sensitive applications have problems at all running? What would you say is the point at which people should be looking for a hardware forwarding solution? Differences: - Hardware forwarding - Interface options - Port density - Redundancy - Power consumption - Service Provider stuff - MPL

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Heath Jones
Oh, support contract!!? > Differences: > - Hardware forwarding > - Interface options > - Port density > - Redundancy > - Power consumption > - Service Provider stuff - MPLS TE? VPLS? VRF?? > > Any others? >

EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill

2010-09-27 Thread Peter Eckersley
Dear network operators, I apologise for a posting that contains some politics; I hope you'll agree that it also has fairly substantial short-to-medium term operational implications. As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright bill that is going to be passed by the

OSPFv3 Authentication

2010-09-27 Thread Manav Bhatia
Hi, I am doing a survey and was interested in knowing if network operators are using OSPFv3 with authentication [RFC 4552] turned on? I know that most providers turn on authentication with OSPFv2, but given that OSPFv3 needs IPsec integration and can thus get little cumbersome to configure, wanted

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Barnes
There's some standardization work being done in the IETF ALTO working group. They're looking at ways ISPs can inform P2P clints about which peers are "better", I.e., topologically nearby. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/alto/ I'm less familiar with DECADE, but I believe they're working on more directly

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Warren Bailey
Can someone name an ISP that encourages P2P traffic?? ;) Sent from a mobile phone with a small keyboard, please excuse my mistakes. On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:32 PM, "Richard Barnes" wrote: > There's some standardization work being done in the IETF ALTO working > group. They're looking at ways ISPs

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Barnes
I thought the issue was more about ISPs encouraging *responsible* P2P. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: > Can someone name an ISP that encourages P2P traffic?? ;) > > Sent from a mobile phone with a small keyboard, please excuse my mistakes. > > On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:32 PM,

RE: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-27 Thread Holmes,David A
Some large telcos with wireless and wireline operations in the US maintain 2 separate backbones: one that I call "wired", that corresponds to traditional wired access where commerce servers are usually located; and one that I call a "wireless" backbone, where GSM/CDMA wireless devices are used to a

EFF needs your help to stop the Senate's DNS censorship bill

2010-09-27 Thread Peter Eckersley
As you may or may not have heard, there is a censor-DNS-to-enforce-copyright bill that is going to be passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this Wednesday (!!!). It will require service providers to censor the DNS entries of blacklisted domains where piracy is deemed too "central" to the site's

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-27 Thread Michael DeMan
I have seen software based routers (FreeBSD+Quagga) in production at pennies on the dollar compared to Cisco for quite some years. Up front, as other people have noted, you need to know what you are doing. There is no 'crying for help 24x7'. By the same token, if you know what you are doing t

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-27 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: >> "Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465" does not >> sound like a 587 problem to me. >> >> netalyzr folks? comment? > > Sorry, I hit send too soon ... > > I've heard from a