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Lightly used IP addresses

At the risk of getting called out for posting possibly operationally significant stuff in the middle of a massive retrospective about WCOM's acquisitions, here's a circleid post from a couple days ago from John Curran at ARIN. http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addresses/ >Discuss. :-) I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far as I've figured it out: 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B 3. A

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM, John Levine wrote: > I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far > as I've figured it out: > > 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 > > 2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B > > 3. ARIN says no, B hasn't shown th

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Levine wrote: >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addresses/ >> Discuss. :-) > > I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far > as I've figured it out: > > 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:44:12AM -0700, Owen DeLong said: >6. ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being used by B. >7. ARIN discovers that A is no longer using the space in accordance with their RSA >8. ARIN reclaims the space and A and B are left to figure out w

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

9. I could point out so many cases of "justification abuse" or outright fraudulent justification and I bet nothing would actually transpire. My two cents. Jeff On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Levine wrote: > >>> http://www.circleid.co

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > 6. ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being used > by B. > 7. ARIN discovers that A is no longer using the space in accordance > with their RSA > 8. ARIN reclaims the space and A and B are left to figure o

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:44:12AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Levine wrote: > > >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addresses/ > >> Discuss. :-) > > > > I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

Jeff, Go for it. I've always wondered what ARIN had between it's legs. Andrew On 8/13/2010 1:53 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: 9. I could point out so many cases of "justification abuse" or outright fraudulent justification and I bet nothing would actually transpire. My two cents. Jeff On Fri,

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

how does ARIN or whomever deal with similar situations where someone is advertising un-allocated, un-assigned by ARIN IP space in NA? do they have a deal/agreement with the 'backbone' providers? -g >> > > 6.ARIN receives a fraud/abuse complaint that A's space is being used by B. >

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:23:56PM +0430, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > 9. I could point out so many cases of "justification abuse" or > outright fraudulent justification and I bet nothing would actually > transpire. > > My two cents. > > Jeff > if you have data on abuse, please use the ARIN ab

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Levine wrote: >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addres ses/ >> Discuss. :-) > > I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far > as I've figured it out: > > 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B fo

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On 8/13/10 2:06 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote: You know I love you Owen. :) 9. A sues ARIN for tortuous contract interference. 10. B sues ARIN for same. 11. C and D join the law suit. 12. Judges step in. 13. ARIN gets mired in lawsuit after lawsuit 14. Dogs and cats start living together Ca

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far as I've figured it out: 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B 3. ARIN says no, B hasn't shown that they need it 4. A and B say screw it, and B announces the spac

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Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:15:51PM -0400, John R. Levine said: >>>I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far >>>as I've figured it out: >>> >>>1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 >>> >>>2. A tells ARIN to transfer the chunk to B >>> >>>

Re: Web expert on his 'catastrophe' key for the internet

On 28/07/2010 15:17, Tony Finch wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Joe Greco wrote: Weren't the FCC and at&t recently suggesting that VoIP was the future of telephony? BT are currently upgrading the UK's phone system to VOIP. But it's running on a private network. Aren't BT still failing to trust

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

> Is this upstream going to cut that customer off and > lose the revenue, just to satisfy ARIN's bleating? Isn't this a little bit like an SSL daemon? One which refuses to process a revocation list on the basis of the function of the certificate is useless. The revocation list only has author

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >> Is this upstream going to cut that customer off and >> lose the revenue, just to satisfy ARIN's bleating? > > Isn't this a little bit like an SSL daemon? One which refuses to process a > revocation list on the basis of the function of th

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 18:49 +, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: > > Isn't this a little bit like an SSL daemon? no. > One which refuses to process a revocation list on the basis of the > function of the certificate is useless. no, it's not. ssl as a form of identity assurance itself is what is usel

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> > > I would consider a transit provider who subverted an ARIN revocation to be > disreputable, and seek other sources of transit. easy to say, but the reality is you may chose not to do so due to logistical, monetary or management/boss reasons which trumps your constitutionally balanced

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:15 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > ... > 10. ARIN attempts to allocate the /20 to someone else, who is not amused. > > Note that at this point ARIN presumably has no more v4 space left, so a > threat never to allocate more space to A or B isn't very scary. Given its > limited

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 06:49:35PM +, Nathan Eisenberg said: >> Is this upstream going to cut that customer off and >> lose the revenue, just to satisfy ARIN's bleating? > >Isn't this a little bit like an SSL daemon? One which refuses to process a revocation list on the basis of the

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Ken Chase wrote: > ... > Right, and Im answering my own question here, for (8) about the reclaiming - > what upstream is going to stop carrying prefixes from a downstream that's > 'illegally' announcing them? Is this upstream going to cut that customer off > and > los

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

I've tried to deal with that a few times - mainly by writing up the first upstream AS. Usually they don't care (and every time I have noticed someone blatantly stealing space, it's been spammers). Good filtering at the transit provider border IMNSHO is the best way to solve this problem. Le

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 03:17:50PM -0400, John Curran said: >Ken - > > ARIN maintains the WHOIS based on what the community develops for > policies; what's happens in routing tables is entirely up to the > ISP community. No "bleating" or "large sticks" here, just turning > the

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

> If someone who was downstream from this provider in a similar situation, I'd > say there is a stronger propensity for them to not 'do the right thing'. > which by > the way isn't a law, so who says its right?its a set of guide lines a > group of > folks put together. But the reality i

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:55 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >could you provide 4 numbers for me please? > > % of ARIN managed resource covered by standard RSA? > % of ARIN managed legacy resource covered by legacy RSA? > % of ARIN managed legacy resource not otherwise covered

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On 8/13/10 10:42 AM, Brandon Galbraith wrote: > Alternate #4: A "rents" the space to B without ARIN knowing it, while A > continues to claim that the space belongs to them. > This already happens as we speak with "IP brokers". ~Seth

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:25:56PM +, Nathan Eisenberg said: >But the reality is that you asserted your intention to follow those guidelines when you requested the allocation, did you not? >If an upstream accepts announcements from a revoked block, what is to stop them from accepting

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:24:45 EDT, Ken Chase said: > I'm indicating (the probably obvious) that these pressures will certainly > increase over time, and as one other member pointed out, the sticks may become > neccessary - and the community will have to become more 'constitutionally > ethical' in t

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, John Levine wrote: >>http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addresses/ > > I don't entirely understand the process.  Here's the flow chart as far > as I've figured it out: > > 1.  A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 > 2.

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 03:43:11PM -0400, John Curran wrote: > On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:55 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > >could you provide 4 numbers for me please? > > > > % of ARIN managed resource covered by standard RSA? > > % of ARIN managed legacy resource covered by le

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>> % of ARIN managed resource covered by standard RSA? >> % of ARIN managed legacy resource covered by legacy RSA? >> % of ARIN managed legacy resource not otherwise covered? >> % of ARIN region entities (A & B above) that have offices/relationships >> with other RIRs that have

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

"Those who do not understand market are doomed to reimplementing it, badly". How come ARIN has any say at all if A wants to sell and B wants to buy? Trying to fend off the imaginary monopolistic hobgoblin? Or simply killing the incentive to actually do something about conservation and, yes, rei

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> How come ARIN has any say at all if A wants to sell and B wants to > buy? Trying to fend off the imaginary monopolistic hobgoblin? self-justification for arin's existence, flying people around to lotso meetings, fancy hotels, ... at the rirs, income and control are more important than the healt

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> We'll work on generating these numbers to the extent >> possible for the upcoming meeting; back in April, I noted >> that we had about 21% of the legacy space (by total IP >> address count) under an LRSA (6%) or RSA (15%). For now, >> this i

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>>> We'll work on generating these numbers to the extent >>> possible for the upcoming meeting; back in April, I noted >>> that we had about 21% of the legacy space (by total IP >>> address count) under an LRSA (6%) or RSA (15%). For now, >>> this is first order estimate for your second and

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > thanks. but i meant when you report at meeting, on web site, whatever. > please report both, not just the one with the larger number. Yes, will do. /John

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>> thanks. but i meant when you report at meeting, on web site, whatever. >> please report both, not just the one with the larger number. > Yes, will do. thanks randy

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> How come ARIN has any say at all if A wants to sell and B wants to >> buy? Trying to fend off the imaginary monopolistic hobgoblin? > > self-justification for arin's existence, flying people around to lotso > meetings, fancy hotels, ... > > at

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> (and to answer Randy - the only control over the administration is based > on the policies adopted. Reduce the corpus of applicable policy if that > is your desire.) we created careers for junior policiy weenies. arin and other rirs have become well-funded playgrounds for the semi-clued who t

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

I know of several large providers that would stop routing such "rogue" space. Any provider that isn't prepared to deal with such a possible customer threat or problem you don't want to be associating with. They likely harbor other badness as well. It may take some time to catch up to them but

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>I've tried to deal with that a few times - mainly by writing up the >first upstream AS. Usually they don't care (and every time I have >noticed someone blatantly stealing space, it's been spammers). Has there ever been a case where ARIN has tried to take a block back from a party to whom they ha

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On 13/08/10 21:04 -, John Levine wrote: I've tried to deal with that a few times - mainly by writing up the first upstream AS. Usually they don't care (and every time I have noticed someone blatantly stealing space, it's been spammers). Has there ever been a case where ARIN has tried to ta

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:06 PM, wrote: > > my assertion to Owen was that his views would apply directly > to the folks under a standard RSA. My reading of the > LRSA suggests that ARIN has a much narrower remit on recovery > of resources covered by that document. the third c

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Dan White wrote: > On 13/08/10 21:04 -, John Levine wrote: >>> I've tried to deal with that a few times - mainly by writing up the >>> first upstream AS. Usually they don't care (and every time I have >>> noticed someone blatantly stealing space, it's been spammer

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:00:04PM -0400, Jared Mauch said: >I know of several large providers that would stop routing such "rogue" space. Really? They'd take a seriously delinquent (and we're only talking about non payment after several months to Arin, not spammers or other 'criminal' element

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 04:18:01PM -0500, Dan White said: >Make a public example of the situation. Assign such a block to an ARIN >member with extensive legal resources who's willing to send some nasty >letters out, and back it up with court action to establish legal >precedence. > >Or

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:19:20PM -0400, John Curran wrote: > > > > if this characterization is in ballpark, then Owens view on > > reclaimation only holds for ~30% of the resource under ARIN > > administration. > > > 31% (33/106) of the address space managed by ARIN is per-RSA, > and

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

I agree with you.the context around my statement is if the downstream believed or has some validity to a claim that they are being unjustly treated or over sighted by ARIN (or others). it wasn't about procuring blocks from a criminal, rather when ARIN says you are no longer entitled to th

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

to make it easiest to understand, i might grind it up into /24 equivalents and present as percentages Type % of all space% of type space% of total holders % of type holders RSA 31% no-RSA LRSA 6% no-LRSA ...

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

> I'm not against ARIN, I think they have good intentions. I'd like to think > so > anyway. Same here. I'm honestly surprised that there is as much dissention from this attitude as there seems to be... > Yes, we have returns, revocations, and reclamations occurring routinely. > They're cover

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Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:39:42PM +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: > Thanks for this John. My hope is that folks will try and > avoid using the courts as the arbitor in the event of > dispute over right to use. > >--bill Civil courts is one thing - criminal cou

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

Sounds like your place is where the spammers should camp out Here I know we have eaten costs of term liability and cancelled contracts more than the dollar figures you have mentioned below to keep the net clean. Sad that it appears you may not be willing to put the money where your mouth is.

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

John - you do not get it... First of all, I don't want your organization to have ANY policy at all. Being just a title company for IP blocks is well and good - and can be easily done at maybe 1% of your budget. Title companies do not tell people if they can buy or sell, they just record the curre

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

Randy Bush wrote: (and to answer Randy - the only control over the administration is based on the policies adopted. Reduce the corpus of applicable policy if that is your desire.) we created careers for junior policiy weenies. arin and other rirs have become well-funded playgrounds for the s

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Re: off-topic: historical query concerning the Internet bubble

Roland Perry wrote: Kenny Sallee writes So the whole 'myth' of Internet doubling every 100 days to me is something someone (ODell it seems) made up to appease someone higher in the chain or a government committee that really doesn't get it. [Whether it was really 100 days, or 200 days...] a s

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

> First of all, I don't want your organization to have ANY policy at all. Where'd you get your AS number, again?

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Vadim Antonov wrote: > John - you do not get it... > > First of all, I don't want your organization to have ANY policy at all. Unfortunately, Vadim, even "No Policy" *is* a policy. > Being just a title company for IP blocks is well and good - and can be > easily don

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > to make it easiest to understand, i might grind it up into /24 > equivalents and present as percentages Acknowledged, /John

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

If you know of actual fraud or abuse, please report it to ARIN. ARIN does investigate and attempt to resolve those issues. Owen On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote: > Jeff, > > Go for it. I've always wondered what ARIN had between it's legs. > > Andrew > > On 8/13/2010 1:53 PM,

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Ken Chase wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:15:51PM -0400, John R. Levine said: I don't entirely understand the process. Here's the flow chart as far as I've figured it out: 1. A sells a /20 of IPv4 space to B for, say, $5,000 2.

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Ken Chase wrote: > > I don't know what to suggest, but perhaps a more binding set of policies for > ARIN members to engage in policing/responding to shutdown requests on the > community's behalf and some penalties for not upholding agreements is in > order. Ken - B

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Vadim Antonov wrote: > How come ARIN has any say at all if A wants to sell and > B wants to buy? Trying to fend off the imaginary > monopolistic hobgoblin? Because that portion of the address-using community, people just like you, that shows up and participates in

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> John - you do not get it... vadim, i assure you curran gets it. he has been around as long as you and i. the problem is that he has become a fiduciary of an organization which sees its survival and growth as its principal goal, free business class travel for wannabe policy wonks as secondary,

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> Yet most of the bad ideas in the past 15 years have actually come from > the IETF (TLA's, no end site multihoming, RA religion), some of which > have actually been "fixed" by the RIR's. no, they were fixed within the ietf. that's my blood you are taking about, and i know where and by whom it wa

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>> First of all, I don't want your organization to have ANY policy at all. > Where'd you get your AS number, again? sri

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

Nathan, On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: >> I'm not against ARIN, I think they have good intentions. I'd like to think >> so anyway. > Same here. I'm honestly surprised that there is as much dissention from this > attitude as there seems to be... I suspect the issue arise

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> Here I know we have eaten costs of term liability and cancelled > contracts more than the dollar figures you have mentioned below to > keep the net clean. Sad that it appears you may not be willing to put > the money where your mouth is. how noble of you. and how perceptive to equate legitimate

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > ... > if the iana could get out from under lawyers and domainer greed, and go > back to simply being bookkeeper for the internet, they could do the > automated solution today. well, with some months of setup. and we > could get rid of 95% of the c

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> If the allocation and reassignment of address space has no policy > associated with it, then there's no doubt that most of the registry > functions can be automated, and there's no need for the associated > policy development process, public policy meetings, travel, conference > calls. Quite a b

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:01:26PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > >> First of all, I don't want your organization to have ANY policy at all. > > Where'd you get your AS number, again? > > sri good thing SRI is still around. wonder what they would say if asked about the ASNs (and pref

Re: 600 acres and a mule, was Lightly used IP addresses

> And in complete fairness - why should folks who received vast tracts > of addresses for little or no cost under a justified-need regime now > have free reign to monetize their sale? All of the real estate in my part of New York traces back to Military Tract so and so. In the 1790s the state all

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

John et al, I have read many of your articles about the need to migrate to IPv6 and how failure to do so will impact business continuity sometime in the next 1 - 3 years. I've pressed our vendors to support IPv6 (note: keep in mind we're a DDoS mitigation firm, our needs extend beyond routers and

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> the fracking rirs, in the name of marla and and lee, actually went to > the ietf last month with a proposal to push address policy back to the > ietf from the ops. and they just did not get thomas's proposal to > move more policy from ietf back to ops. and, to continue the red herring with jc,

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> If the allocation and reassignment of address space has no policy >> associated with it, then there's no doubt that most of the registry >> functions can be automated, and there's no need for the associated >> policy development process, public po

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

>> one start would be for arin to have the guts not to pay travel >> expenses of non-employees/contractors. > > ARIN Suggestion process: > > > If you submit it, I will bring it to the Board for consideration. In > fairness, I will tell you that

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > thanks for reaffirming that talking to arin is a waste of time. If you're going to recommend that we not pay for travel for the ARIN AC, I'm going to recommend otherwise and point out that the AC members need to hear from the community, and tha

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

John, I will concur with Randy that much of the travel that ARIN funds is excessive. ARIN has a booth at trade shows so i'm going to guess that entire setup with travel costs about $20,000 - 50,000 per show. Why? To convince me to use ARIN for my IP space needs? To convince us to switch to IPv6? I

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

Funny! On one hand people talk about ARIN providing IP allocation at nearly zero cost and on the other hand talking that ARIN goes after companies that use their allocation for abuse (which has a non trivial cost and potential expensive lawsuits)... Do you know what you want?

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > ARIN needs to investigate these companies and start reclaiming space. > Pose as a customer, see if they'll sell you a /24 or shorter on a > dedicated server for some arbitrary reason, and if so they're busted. >> > From there launch a full inves

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

John, I have privately e-mailed you 5 x /18 and 3 x /19 that are being abused. If ARIN takes action against even one of these allocations I will commend you publicly. I'll go do the investigation for you if you need evidence. Best regards, Jeff On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:07 AM, John Curran wrot

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 13, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > Vendors are neglecting to support IPv6 because there is "no demand." It would probably be useful to be public about which vendors are still saying there is no demand for IPv6. > Meanwhile, there are hosting companies, dedicated server companies,

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:00 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > > John, > > I have privately e-mailed you 5 x /18 and 3 x /19 that are being > abused. If ARIN takes action against even one of these allocations I > will commend you publicly. I'll go do the investigation for you if you > need evidence. I'm not

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> You seem to be suggesting that ARIN (and presumably the other RIRs) > invest more in policing the address space and otherwise regulating the > market. How much are you willing to pay for that service? and how would it make the internet any better? randy

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > > John, > > I will concur with Randy that much of the travel that ARIN funds is > excessive. ARIN has a booth at trade shows so i'm going to guess that > entire setup with travel costs about $20,000 - 50,000 per show. Why? > To convince me to us

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

I'm not sure it would make the internet better but it would reinforce integrity in a general sense. If we're to get away with lying on justification I might as well go grab a few /18's before the last /8 is issued. Jeff On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> You seem to be suggest

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

> I'm not sure it would make the internet better then i don't want to pay for it. if you have not noticed, money is tight, and it ain't gonna get better. randy