Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-19 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
; From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] >> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:49 PM >> > To: Jack Carrozzo >> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> > Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection >> > >> > I'm curious what providers have not g

RE: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-17 Thread -Hammer-
iginal Message- From: Jack Carrozzo [mailto:j...@crepinc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:01 PM To: Eric Van Tol Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection We pick up v6 from HE currently (like the rest of the world). L3 offered us dual stack also, but they wante

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Carrozzo
10 at 9:51 AM, Eric Van Tol wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:49 PM > > To: Jack Carrozzo > > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connecti

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-17 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Hello, Just wanted to say thanks to everybody who replied and/or offered help. I've got a few private peering offers, so I guess I'm ok now. Thanks a lot, Michael On Friday 14 May 2010 11:25:10 pm Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > Guys, > > I've started this thread looking for advice on available optio

RE: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Van Tol
> -Original Message- > From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:49 PM > To: Jack Carrozzo > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection > > I'm curious what providers have not gotten their I

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-15 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 15 May 2010, at 04:30, Christopher Morrow wrote: See, done for 300$/month... $300/month + the cost of building fossils into your network on day 1. This cost is a whole pile more difficult to quantify than basic PoP service capex/opex, but it's recurrent and non zero. Nick

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-15 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-05-15 05:32, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: So my question still stands: is anyone aware of a reasonable tunneled ipv6 transit service (I mean aside from HE tunnel broker)? The load will be really light. I don't expect we'll break a

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-15 Thread Graham Beneke
On 2010/05/14 03:39 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: 3) don't tunnel beyond your borders, really just don't We have managed to achieve that fairly well. We have colocated a single router in a provider in London with native IPv6 where we have our primary break out. We then tunnel over IPv4 betwee

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > So my question still stands: is anyone aware of a reasonable tunneled ipv6 > transit service (I mean aside from HE tunnel broker)? The load will be really > light. I don't expect we'll break a few Mbit/s in the nearest future and when >

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > > Just an observation, but I'm fairly sure that I'm not the only one who feels > that those with rather high budgets tend to forget that not everyone has the > luxury of a virtual blank check. > awesome, take an old 2800 or 2500, plug in

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Guys, I've started this thread looking for advice on available options. There's no doubt in my mind that native connectivity is better than tunnels, but unfortunately tunnel is the only way to get me started, 'cause my upstream does not support ipv6 (hopefully just yet) and I have no budget for

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 5/14/10 2:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: Being that there's issues that leave us unable to get native connectivity, we have a BGP tunnel thanks to HE (with a 20ms latency from Seattle to Freemont). You should be able to get native IPv6 in Seattle from a variety of providers. If you're not findi

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread bmanning
er... if I may - this whining about the evils of tunnels rings a bit hollow, esp for those who think that a VPN is the right thing to do. --bill On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:44:53AM +1000, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:57 -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > Tunnels promote poo

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 14, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > >> (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline >> quoting) >> >> >> Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen >> that are no-b

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 14, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: >> I said somewhere in here... wierd quoting happened. >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy >> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 dep

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 12:44, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: >>> I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 >>> plans/networks/customer ports enabled. >>> >>> I know that Comcast is doing their trials no

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:57 -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > Tunnels promote poor paths "promote"? Tunnel topology does not (necessarily) match the underlying topology, especially if you choose (or are forced to accept) a distant broker. But "promote"? > , they bring along LOTS of issues wrt PM

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Merike Kaeo
On May 14, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline quoting) Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen that are no-bullshit IPv6 native

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Paul Timmins
rough IPv6, so ymmv. Brielle --Original Message-- From: Jared Mauch To: Jack Carrozzo Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection Sent: May 14, 2010 12:49 PM I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer ports enabled. I know tha

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Randy Bush
> 3) don't tunnel beyond your borders, really just don't > tunnels are bad, always. you are understaing your case. randy

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline > quoting) > > > Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen > that are no-bullshit IPv6 native ready is Hurricane Electric. NTT is > sup

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Brielle Bruns
, so ymmv. Brielle --Original Message-- From: Jared Mauch To: Jack Carrozzo Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection Sent: May 14, 2010 12:49 PM I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer ports enabled. I know that Comcast

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: >> I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 >> plans/networks/customer ports enabled. >> >> I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be >> presenting at the up

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: > I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer > ports enabled. > > I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be > presenting at the upcoming NANOG about their experiences. > > What parts of the

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > I said somewhere in here... wierd quoting happened. > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 deployment - >> learning/labbing/experimenting/etc. We've got to the p

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jared Mauch
I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer ports enabled. I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be presenting at the upcoming NANOG about their experiences. What parts of the big "I" Internet are not enabled or ready? - Jared

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jack Carrozzo
wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Morrow" > To: "Michael Ulitskiy" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Thursday, 13 May, 2010 6:39:28 PM > Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Morrow" To: "Michael Ulitskiy" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, 13 May, 2010 6:39:28 PM Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > Hello, > >

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > Hello, > > We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 deployment - > learning/labbing/experimenting/etc. > We've got to the point when we're also planning to request initial ipv6 > allocation from ARIN. > So I wonder what ipv6 transit opt

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-13 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Occaid will generally transit you via two tunnels to their endpoints. I used them for a year with zero issues in addition to an HE tunnel. -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > Hello, > > We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 deployment - > learning/labbin

ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-13 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Hello, We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 deployment - learning/labbing/experimenting/etc. We've got to the point when we're also planning to request initial ipv6 allocation from ARIN. So I wonder what ipv6 transit options I have if my upstreams do not support native ipv6 connectivity? I