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It's back with this: "Ben quite succinctly sums it up on a nanog mailing list, “Your (the service provider) user is paying you to push packets. If that’s causing you a problem, you either need to review your commercial structure (i.e. charge people more) or your technical network design. Face th

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Cutler James R writes: > On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Mark Lancaster wrote: > > > I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates > > download automatically: > > > > “Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to > > Wi-Fi and a power source.”

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On Sep 26, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Mark Lancaster wrote: > I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates > download automatically: > > “Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to > Wi-Fi and a power source.” > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT462

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I have heard a lot of questions and debate about whether the iOS updates download automatically: “Available updates download automatically if your device is connected to Wi-Fi and a power source.” http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4623 /mark

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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:36:30PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: > > That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using > > Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be > > written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them > > on the update-

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On 24/09/2013 18:54, Michael Brown wrote: That is most assuredly a rewrite, it's not just your perception. M. Surprise surprise, that page now appears to Error 404... guess he must watch the list quite closely as it didn't take long for him to react ! ;-) Guess I should be flattered someon

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You've been robbed! On 9/24/2013 1:36 PM, Ben wrote: Hang on a minute. That last paragraph in his blog sounds awfully similar to something I posted here the other day ! He says on the 23rd of September : Users are paying service providers to deliver their IP packets. If providers cant h

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On 24/09/2013 17:55, Glen Kent wrote: Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator): http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/ The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they arent able to cope up with an occa

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Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator): > > > http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/ > > The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they > arent able to cope up with an occasional OS update traffic. > Whi

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- Original Message - > From: "Jared Mauch" > It went well for most users, it seems the 1-5% of people with "odd" > configs are the problem. [ ... ] > IOS7 and monitored for it. Not everything will work for everyone, but > for the majority of users it was fine. (This from surveying my > n

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On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Strawman, Randy. > > Clearly, the Internet is *not* up to the task of > > 1) updating several dozen million devices > 2) on links of various quality, > 3) with 650MB to 1.2GB downloads and > 4) a client that doesn't understand how to rest

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote: Fixing 4 (which is an easy engineering issue) and 5 (which is an operations policy issue that, by and large, most people in that situation understand), *would have had a direct positive effect on Apple's paying customers*. Fixing 4 is something apple

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On 09/23/2013 08:36 PM, Joe Greco wrote: >> That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using >> Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be >> written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them >> on the update-downloading Bittorrent

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- Original Message - > From: "Randy Bush" > i love the business plan of preventing the users from getting what > they want. i think all my competitors should follow it. Strawman, Randy. Clearly, the Internet is *not* up to the task of 1) updating several dozen million devices 2) on l

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>> So then all the networks that have done $things to BitTorrent to >> demote it to second-rate traffic will suddenly have a bunch of very >> angry Apple fans whose downloads are mysteriously having issues. > Just ask the Blizzard fans (World of Warcraft) about this > phenomenon... i love the busi

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On 9/23/2013 9:36 PM, Joe Greco wrote: > So then all the networks that have done $things to BitTorrent to > demote it to second-rate traffic will suddenly have a bunch of very > angry Apple fans whose downloads are mysteriously having issues. Just ask the Blizzard fans (World of Warcraft) about th

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> That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using > Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be > written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them > on the update-downloading Bittorrent client for the phones. > > The clients (be

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That's just the typical Bittorrent /client/, but the idea of using Bittorrent means the /protocol/. A special Bittorrent client could be written for ISPs with uploads disabled and Apple could also disable them on the update-downloading Bittorrent client for the phones. The clients (be it Bittorren

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- Original Message - > From: "Mikael Abrahamsson" > To: "Paul Ferguson" > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened > > that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this > > thread, but I would

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Bit torrent is a way to lighten the load on the originator, and to increase the speed of the acquisition from the receivers. It is not a tool to decrease network load, if anything it does the opposite most of the time. Every now and then, a client will find a local network peer, but its usually an

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On 2013-09-23, at 09:41, Glen Kent wrote: > BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we > dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not > adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial > implications using bit-torrent?

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On 2013-09-23 15:41 , Glen Kent wrote: > BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, I am very sure that you will be happy to see your customer's UPSTREAM links filled with that traffic... next to you having a shiny CDN and then having to do traffic to ISPs who do not have on

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On Sep 23, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Glen Kent wrote: > BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we > dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not > adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial > implications using bit-torren

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>> the image. Is this assumption correct? > > Not necessarily. I think most of the iOS 7 update traffic WAS in fact > delivered from CDN servers (in particular Akamai). And many/most large > service providers already have Akamai servers in their networks. But > they may

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>> the image. Is this assumption correct? > > Not necessarily. I think most of the iOS 7 update traffic WAS in fact > delivered from CDN servers (in particular Akamai). And many/most large > service providers already have Akamai servers in their networks. But > they may

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BTW Linux distributions are available to download via bittorrent, so we dont really need Akamai/Limelight here. Is there a reason why Apple has not adopted bit-torrent for distribution? Are there legal/commercial implications using bit-torrent? Glen On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Neil Harris w

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On Sep 23, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Simon Leinen wrote: > Not necessarily. I think most of the iOS 7 update traffic WAS in fact > delivered from CDN servers (in particular Akamai). And many/most large > service providers already have Akamai servers in their networks. But > they may not

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hink most of the iOS 7 update traffic WAS in fact delivered from CDN servers (in particular Akamai). And many/most large service providers already have Akamai servers in their networks. But they may not have enough spare capacity for such a sudden demand - either in terms of CDN (Akamai) servers

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> Perhaps Apple, Microsoft etc. should consider using Bittorrent as a > way of distributing their updates? If ISPs were to run their own > Bittorrent servers (with appropriate restrictions, see below), this > would then create an instant CDN, with no need to define any other > protocols or pay any

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One of the earlier posts seems to suggest that if iOS updates were cached on the ISPs CDN server then the traffic would have been manageable since everybody would only contact the local sever to get the image. Is this assumption correct? Do most big service providers maintain their own content ser

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On 23/09/13 10:32, John Smith wrote: Picked this off www.jaluri.com (network and Cisco blog aggregator): http://routingfreak.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/ios7s-impact-on-networks-worldwide/ The consensus seems to be for providers to install CDN servers, if they arent able to cope up with an occasi

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://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=391B4B64-F693-41B7-6BBAC6D7017C3B8A John From: Colin Alston To: Warren Bailey Cc: NANOG Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 1:05 Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic That system by the way is annoying when your mobile network operator are so

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re everywhere, and this problem > will not stop. > > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > Original message > From: Mikael Abrahamsson > Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Warren Bailey > Cc: Paul Ferguson ,NANOG > Subject: Re: iO

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http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/09/20/upgrading.spike.doubled.some.isp.traffic.12.percent.worldwide.internet.usage.jump/ ## Upgrading spike doubled some ISP traffic; 12 percent worldwide Internet usage jump ... Analytics company Mixpanel estimates that more than 130 million users had u

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I've seen 4s with the panic.list problem after upgrade. Apple claims hardware issue. On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: > From a Facebook posting: > > So need the masses input.. If you updated to iOS 7... Wed I installed >> it, it was fine. Thursday fine as well. But today.

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From a Facebook posting: So need the masses input.. If you updated to iOS 7... Wed I installed it, it was fine. Thursday fine as well. But today.. It just wants to keep resetting itself every 15-20 mins. It's just on my 4s... Any one else having this issue? Just wondering. -- Requiescas in

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On 9/20/2013 5:55 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: So you fix one part at a time. Each part is independently fixable. Each part helps by itself. I wonder it the thing that needs to be fixed first involves opening a dialog between Engineering and Marketing over which the message "Don't sell stuff we

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In message , Jared Mauch writes: > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Oh you mean that option that never made it past a internet-draft > > that expired 13 years ago[1] and is in the private range[2] to boot. > > > > If you want proxy discovery to work on all devices complet

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > Oh you mean that option that never made it past a internet-draft > that expired 13 years ago[1] and is in the private range[2] to boot. > > If you want proxy discovery to work on all devices complete the > process of getting a code point alloca

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Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a single day? (a) That's why god invented the concept of CDNsto take the stress of the more contended parts of an operators network. ;-) (b) Its not just Apple but any vendor (e.g. Microsloth) their updates ar

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* Ben (ben+na...@list-subs.com) wrote: > No need for you to bash Apple in this instance. What this conversation badly needs is a sub-thread about whatever happened to the technical solutions which would address this issue (eg: mbone). Of course, I know what happened and what the issues are there,

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On 19/09/2013 9:29 PM, Jeff Kell wrote: On 9/19/2013 5:29 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: So you understand things aren't always metro e.. That's what I was trying to say. I still have a coupler.. ;) Original message From: Fred Reimer Actually, I started out with a 300 baud acou

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rol it consumer choice >> has to be taken out of the loop, which may or may not be palatable. >> >>> And who else has a Nanog strike team coming in screaming buy more >> bandwidth? ;) >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device. >>> >>> >>> -

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Thought occurs to me--anybody have a traffic analysis that shows how much of the "iOS 7 bump" is due to email on NANOG about it? -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur acti

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> Bah! That was a take-home convenience. How about the old ASR TeleType > with the 110-baud link to get a hardcopy listing? Model 15, 45.5 baud. :) John John Souvestre - New Orleans LA - (504) 454-0899 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

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On 9/19/2013 5:29 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: > So you understand things aren't always metro e.. That's what I was trying to > say. I still have a coupler.. ;) > > Original message > From: Fred Reimer > > Actually, I started out with a 300 baud acoustic modem. You know, the kind

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On 9/19/2013 7:54 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: Why do you sell services to customers using ... if you are incapable of supporting them? Are you serious? -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex tur

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however you may get hosed anyway. Physics is a stern taskmaster. >> -Original Message- From: Warren Bailey >> [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] Sent: Thursday, 19 >> September, 2013 16:29 To: Ryan Harden; Jeroen van Aart Cc: >> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update tr

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TR Shaw wrote: > Major update & provides many of 5S functionality to the 5, 4S, & 4 Different versions could have been updated on different days, at least. Masataka Ohta

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ur network? > -Original Message- > From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] > Sent: Thursday, 19 September, 2013 16:29 > To: Ryan Harden; Jeroen van Aart > Cc: > Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic > > Your software updates (you meaning a user of th

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:29:28 -, Warren Bailey said: > Who else has had traffic surges like this? Most are reporting a doubling or so of bandwidth, for an event that you had a week's advance notice. April 16 a few years ago, we had a much higher bandwidth impact on much shorter notice. Oh, an

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In my experience just having a Akamai cache wasn't enough to handle this. Our local cache was doing 15 out of 20gbps usage and seemed pegged at that. One of our customers had a local Akamai cache on there end crash and we were mostly filling a 10gbps pipe to a datacenter with limelight cdn's at it.

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In message <64245ac1-bc00-4928-b2f7-f259e8632...@puck.nether.net>, Jared Mauch writes: > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:36 PM, "John Souvestre" wrote: > > > Hi Jared. > > > >> The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays > >> for bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why

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Nanog strike team coming in screaming buy more > bandwidth? ;) > > > > > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > > > > Original message > > From: Ryan Harden <mailto:harde...@uchicago.edu>> >

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On 2013-09-19, at 18:08, Jared Mauch wrote: > I think there's a lot that could be done when looking at how to shift this. But likely not before the first iOS 7 patch release. http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/19/apples-control-center-used-to-bypass-ios-7-passcode-lock Joe

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; > > > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > > > > Original message > > From: Ryan Harden > > Date: 09/19/2013 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Jeroen van Aart > > Cc: "" > > Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic >

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Again, as others have said: complain to the ISP that most probably oversubscribed their links. On 19/09/13 15:29, Warren Bailey wrote: Your software updates (you meaning a user of the Internet) should not affect my experience. I'm not advocating we go back to 5.25 floppies and never look back.

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lse has a Nanog strike team coming in screaming buy more bandwidth? > ;) > > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > Original message > From: Ryan Harden > Date: 09/19/2013 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: Jeroen van Aart > Cc: "" > Subjec

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: I'm trying to highlight a point that not all of us have studly 1gbps connections to Akamai. Some of us have to move data into orbit and back.. Some of us are not like the rest of you. These types of situations should not happen in general.. We live in

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 14:11, Warren Bailey wrote: > I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which leads me to this question : Over-subscription is a business decision that every network has to m

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote: >> As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened >> with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was released in 2007. > > The difference is there are now a "couple

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:36 PM, "John Souvestre" wrote: > Hi Jared. > >> The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays >> for bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why their release >> strategy is so highly critiqued. > > Because it impacts other, non-Apple custom

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Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson ,Paul Ferguson ,NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic Actually, I started out with a 300 baud acoustic modem. You know, the kind where you take the handset and jam it into two cups? But I digress… From: Warren Bailey mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>>

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;" Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote: >> As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened >> with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was rele

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gt;> Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:00 PM To: Valdis Kletnieks mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>> Cc: Fred Reimer mailto:frei...@freimer.org>>, Mikael Abrahamsson mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se>>, Paul Ferguson mailto:fergdawgs...@mykolab.com>>, NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org

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Dorian, It seems warren may work for a satellite internet provider. (Just guessing). The impact might be different with this type of a link. There isn't a good broadcast caching system for this compared with the way other content is. This may have that type of an impact, but there are likely wa

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Hi Jared. > The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays > for bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why their release > strategy is so highly critiqued. Because it impacts other, non-Apple customers. Or, it costs the ISP more (passed through to all customers

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net coming off the end of an sfp. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Date: 09/19/2013 1:42 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey Cc: Fred Reimer ,Mikael Abrahamsson ,Paul Ferguson ,NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic On Thu, 19 S

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:18:29 -, Warren Bailey said: Reversing a few paragraphs to make a point. > We strive to provide a great customer experience, and when "Hardware Maker > X" decides to roll updates .. It can screw us. In this case, can means > absolutely will happen. > I mean, would it b

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Microsoft Windows 8.1 is due out in October.. don't be so sure :) -- Stephen On 19/09/2013 3:11 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Patch Tuesday is not 1gb per patch. On 9/19/13 11:51 AM, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:11:11 -, Warren Bailey said: Why does apple feel it

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: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:52 PM To: Fred Reimer , Mikael Abrahamsson , Paul Ferguson Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic >My.. Our.. Users expect one thing.. > >Internet. > >It is our job to make that happen. When a electronics manufacturer >decides to enable

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On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote: As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has happened with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was released in 2007. The difference is there are now a "couple" more million devices out there than there were in 2007. And i

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which leads me to this question : Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on

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gt;>a single ios device? A household could do 5-10gb worth of updates in a >>single day.. >> >> I personally do not own an ios device, and I see close to 3 gigs worth >>of update traffic at my house. These things are everywhere, and this >>problem will not stop. &g

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> Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened > that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this > thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that > caused this... all the borders and highlights from the discarded skeuomorphisms cl

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a single day? They don't, these are users who actively goes into the software upgrade menu and pressing "upgrade". I believe the nagging won't start for quite some time. -- Mi

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 06:52:51PM +, Warren Bailey wrote: > My.. Our.. Users expect one thing.. > > Internet. Isn't the ability to download something that they want part of the Internet thing that users expect from their service providers? -dorian

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AM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey ,Mikael Abrahamsson ,Paul Ferguson Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic Why should Apple care if providers have oversubscribed lines or not? As far as I know, Akamai delivers most of the data anyway, so it is not coming all from Apple. I don't know f

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 02:42:12PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > Given that the code is signed, I'm surprised that iDevices that have already > upgraded the hard way don't advertise a "update available" service on local > networks. Individual devices don't care where the updates come from, so long >

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house. These things are everywhere, and this problem will not stop. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Mikael Abrahamsson Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey Cc: Paul Ferguson ,NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, W

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well. >> Being an android user, It didn't dawn on me until some of the IOS users in >> the office started jumping up and down about IOS7 >> Nick Olsen >> Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 >> >> >> From: "J

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I might agree if there were no warning, but this has happened a few times a year for many years. It's a predictable pattern and well known. It will last about a week and taper off. Jared Mauch > On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Warren Bailey > wrote: > > It's a dick move to globally enable upd

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ice. > > > Original message > From: Mikael Abrahamsson > Date: 09/19/2013 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Warren Bailey > Cc: Paul Ferguson ,NANOG > Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: > >

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 06:11:11PM +, Warren Bailey wrote: > I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a > single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which > leads me to this question : > > Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mo

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Apple actually tries to rate-limit the notifications to prevent this, but you can just manually go check and hit the upgrade button yourself. It's pretty well-known that Apple likes to release ~10am, so tens (hundreds?) of millions of users did just that. Since this update is available for all iThi

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attachments. NTT America makes no warranty that this email is error or virus free. Thank you . -Original Message- From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgs...@mykolab.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM To: NANOG Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic Can someone please explain to a

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On 9/18/2013 1:38 PM, Zachary McGibbon wrote: > So iOS 7 just came out, here's the spike in our graphs going to our ISP > here at McGill, anyone else noticing a big spike? > > [image: internet-sw1 - Traffic - Te0/7 - To Internet1-srp (IR Canet) - > TenGigabitEthernet0/7] > > Zachary McGibbon Traff

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Warren Bailey wrote: I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which leads me to this question : The vast majority of the traffic I saw was served from the Akamai farm at

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t;>people trying to update their 13 ios devices at the same time. Who owns >>>a single ios device? A household could do 5-10gb worth of updates in a >>>single day.. >>> >>> I personally do not own an ios device, and I see close to 3 gigs worth >>>of update traffic at

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My iPhone4 was about 600MB IIRC. My iPad mini was about that. I have about 7 iDevices between everyone in my immediate family. FWIW not a single one has actually received the notification yet. I've only manually done my 2 devices. I'm waiting to see how long it takes before I get the 'official

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+1 If you do not/cannot have an Akamai cache, connect to an IX that does, and make sure you've got the capacity. My own rule of thumb is have 2x the capacity of your average *peak* traffic on an IX. When big events happen, whether it is news, sporting or a major software update, that extra

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The attitude in this email I have encountered elsewhere. Apple pays for bandwidth, customers pay for access. Not sure why their release strategy is so highly critiqued. Microsoft and others have their own strategies for incremental downloads, caching, etc.. Apple has theirs. Seems like most c

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Fred Reimer wrote: > I was making the wrong assumption that people understood how > the Internet works. Absolutely! Most "people" understand that the internet works by use of a browser and are content with that knowledge. Much like most motor vehicle operators und

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Cutler James R wrote: > --As a side note, IOS 7 fixes/improves iDevices in multiple areas, > making it a compelling upgrade. That's supposed to be the nature of upgrades. If that's where the matter ended then you'd have no argument. The problem is when it comes to the new

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Sounds like a great plan. You could do it for Netflix, Hulu, amazon, Walmart, etc. Get a piece of the action.Am I talking to Verizon? On 9/19/13 1:46 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: A line, is a line, is a line, is a line. There's no difference. Updates are available to all devices on a "downl

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Woah there. I think you are crossing another line, or at least opening another topic of discussion, when you start talking about transit or last mile providers charging companies for bandwidth that their customers are already paying for. I'd suggest a subject change if we want to open a discussio

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On 2013-09-19, at 14:11, Warren Bailey wrote: > I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of a > single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... Which > leads me to this question : > > Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device

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Patch Tuesday is not 1gb per patch. On 9/19/13 11:51 AM, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" wrote: >On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:11:11 -, Warren Bailey said: > >> Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on >>a single day? > >How is Patch Tuesday any different?

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: > Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a > single day? Apple does not "send" updates. The user device must request an update. --As a side note, IOS 7 fixes/improves iDevices in multiple areas, making it a c

Re: iOS 7 update traffic

On 13-09-19 02:46 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: > A line, is a line, is a line, is a line. > > There's no difference. Updates are available to all devices on a "download > day", and providers networks are drastically reduced in capacity as a > result. Apple does not cut them checks to serve it up, why

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