O.K., I understand. Yes, for the average user I suppose they would blame their ISP. I was making the wrong assumption that people understood how the Internet works. At the same time, people would probably be more upset, at least the Apple fanboys, if they metered the updates and some people had to wait two or three weeks for their update to keep the traffic manageable. The only general news stories I see in a quick search are complaints that the downloads are slow, not that the general Internet is slow because of the downloadsŠ
From: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:52 PM To: Fred Reimer <frei...@freimer.org>, Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se>, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgs...@mykolab.com> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic >My.. Our.. Users expect one thing.. > >Internet. > >It is our job to make that happen. When a electronics manufacturer >decides to enable updates for all of their phones world wide.. It breaks >things. > > >When the Internet breaks, it is my fault. Your Apple update sucked >because of me.. There is no "it must be apple", as you pointed out >earlier. I'm simply saying.. It's a dick move to globally enable updates >on a single day and tell ISP's to deal with it. > > >Sent from my Mobile Device. > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: Fred Reimer <frei...@freimer.org> >Date: 09/19/2013 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00) >To: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Mikael >Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se>,Paul Ferguson <fergdawgs...@mykolab.com> > >Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> >Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic > > > >Why should Apple care if providers have oversubscribed lines or not? As >far as I know, Akamai delivers most of the data anyway, so it is not >coming all from Apple. I don't know for sure, but I doubt they have >enough bandwidth themselves to saturate so many links concurrently. Apple >also does not push the updates, it is pulled to the device when the users >tell the device to retrieve it. So blame your users, not Apple. It is >also my understanding that any updates they do push are staged so they all >don't go out the same time. > >On 9/19/13 2:11 PM, "Warren Bailey" ><wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote: > >>I don't see how operators could tolerate this, honestly. I can't think of >>a single provider who does not oversubscribe their access platform... >>Which leads me to this question : >> >>Why does apple feel it is okay to send every mobile device an update on a >>single day? >> >>Never mind the fact that we are we ones on the last mile responsible for >>getting it to their customers, 1gb per sub is pretty serious.. Why are >>they not caching at their head ends, dslams, etc? >> >> >>Sent from my Mobile Device. >> >> >>-------- Original message -------- >>From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se> >>Date: 09/19/2013 11:08 AM (GMT-08:00) >>To: Paul Ferguson <fergdawgs...@mykolab.com> >>Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> >>Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic >> >> >>On Thu, 19 Sep 2013, Paul Ferguson wrote: >> >>> >>> Can someone please explain to a non-Apple person what the hell happened >>> that started generating so much traffic? Perhaps I missed it in this >>> thread, but I would be curious to know what iOS 7 implemented that >>> caused this... >> >>The IOS7 upgrade is ~750 megabyte download for the phones/pods, and ~950 >>megabytes for ipad. There are quite a few devices out there times these >>amounts to download... >> >>-- >>Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se >>
