RE: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Robert DeVita
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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Jay Hanke
ebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" > *To: *"Mike Hammett" > *Cc: *"Mehmet Akcin" , "NAN

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Robert DeVita" To: "Mike Hammett" , "Darin Steffl" Cc: "NANOG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:37:52 AM Subject: RE: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX The biggest difference we see is that the “non commercial” IX’s are now

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Mike Hammett
utions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "Mehmet Akcin" , "NANOG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:34:32 AM Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-pro

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Darin Steffl
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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Mike Hammett
WISP - Original Message - From: "Mehmet Akcin" To: "Clayton Zekelman" Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG Mailing List" , "Tim Raphael" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:19:43 AM Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Jason Lixfeld
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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Mehmet Akcin
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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Clayton Zekelman
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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-21 Thread Mike Hammett
The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Raphael" To: "NANOG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer s

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-20 Thread Tim Raphael
The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer services (such as extended reach) that don’t have the same profit margins or ROI as for-profits. This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and fewer customers allowing them to grow and expand wi

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-20 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote: Probably price.  Also perception of value.  If you're a for profit enterprise then they're paying for interconnection plus your bump.  If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because there's no bump.  Whether that's true or not, w

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-20 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 13:44, Mike Hammett wrote: > What are your thoughts on why a network would join a non-profit IX, but not a > neutral, for-profit IX? Let's assume that traffic levels are similar. But are traffic levels actually similar? Most areas have one or the other dominating the fiel

Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

2018-12-20 Thread Aaron
Probably price.  Also perception of value.  If you're a for profit enterprise then they're paying for interconnection plus your bump.  If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because there's no bump.  Whether that's true or not, who knows but that's the perception I'