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From: Randy
To: Jaren Angerbauer ; "nanog@nanog.org"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Working with Spamhaus
- Original Message -
From: Jaren Angerbauer
To: "nanog@nanog.org"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015
- Original Message -
From: Jaren Angerbauer
To: "nanog@nanog.org"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Working with Spamhaus
Hi,
As for SORBS, I'm not aware of anyone that uses it these days because of
> the extortion thing and the rather ..ahem ..
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 04:48:11 +0900, Randy Bush said:
As for SORBS, I'm not aware of anyone that uses it these days
many folk do
Many of them your competitors? :) (Sorry, couldn't resist :)
Is that to be encouraged?
:)
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On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Jaren Angerbauer
wrote:
> I work for Proofpoint -- we acquired SORBS back in 2011. There is
> delisting (via SORBS support ticket). Additionally, there is NO CHARGE to
> be delisted.
Hi Jaren,
The big problem I remember with SORBS from my ISP days was that if
t
It's what they call a free country
Those that don't use it don't use it, and those who do are free to do so
--srs
> On 31-Jul-2015, at 4:56 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:28:34 -0400, Jaren Angerbauer
>> wrote:
>> I work for Proofpoint -- we acquired SORBS back in 2011.
>
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:28:34 -0400, Jaren Angerbauer
wrote:
I work for Proofpoint -- we acquired SORBS back in 2011.
Hint: The Internet has a LONG memory.
The liberal and numerous dropping of "for free" makes me laugh. "You" knew
the tainted nature of what you were buying. Nobody, to this
Hi,
As for SORBS, I'm not aware of anyone that uses it these days because of
> the extortion thing and the rather ..ahem .. "eccentric" nature of it's
> owner.
>
and
> I see you've never had the pleasure of dealing with SORBS. All it takes is
> *ONE* message - EVER - to be instantly, and foreve
On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 04:48:11 +0900, Randy Bush said:
> > As for SORBS, I'm not aware of anyone that uses it these days
>
> many folk do
Many of them your competitors? :) (Sorry, couldn't resist :)
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> As for SORBS, I'm not aware of anyone that uses it these days
many folk do
randy
hael Holstein
Cleveland State University
From: Ricky Beam
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:41 PM
To: Michael O Holstein
Subject: Re: Working with Spamhaus
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:59:55 -0400, Michael O Holstein
wrote:
> 100 spammy messages isn't enough to get you in trouble,
>If you implement SPF / DKIM / DMARC / ADSP, force your customers to relay
Before we went SaaS with email we had lots of spam problems and we also went
this route .. you must relay through us and authenticate .. postfix along with
the dkim and policyd milters (and SPF in DNS). The policyd one wo
If you implement SPF / DKIM / DMARC / ADSP, force your customers to
relay their mail through something you control, and show them you are
serious about stopping the spam they may work with you then. Otherwise,
they just assume you're a spam house.
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Bob Evans wrote:
I see that point - however, spamhaus has become a haus-hold word these
days and everyone runs into these issuesits not malware or bots we
block from a network level blackhole. Yet it is basic network operations
these days to have to deal with someone com
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Bob Evans wrote:
Would be nice to have an RBL service that attended NANOG meetings.
Would make for a more trusted RBL we can tell customers to make use.
How do you know they don't? Most of them keep a low profile due to things
like
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflori
Er - a couple of ways
1. If you run a farm of mail servers, something like splunk for your logs is
kind of necessary. How difficult is it going to be to trigger a splunk alert
on whatever looks like an administrative block? Either by a large provider, or
by a DNS block list.
2. You can rsync
I see that point - however, spamhaus has become a haus-hold word these
days and everyone runs into these issuesits not malware or bots we
block from a network level blackhole. Yet it is basic network operations
these days to have to deal with someone complaining about their hacked
mail server
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I agree with Suresh here -- NANOG used to almost be somewhat hostile
to anyone who started discussions regarding anti-abuse and/or security
issues which didn't involve routing backbone engineers.
A lot of us old-timers took the hint and basically
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I agree with Suresh here -- NANOG used to almost be somewhat hostile
to anyone who started discussions regarding anti-abuse and/or security
issues which didn't involve routing backbone engineers.
A lot of us old-timers took the hint and basically
They come to M3AAWG on a regular basis and there’s the M3AAWG hosting SIG that
you might want to participate in.
NANOG doesn’t always have a mail abuse (and not very many network abuse)
session on the agenda, plus just how many people doing routing or DNS seem to
even care what their colleagu
Would be nice to have an RBL service that attended NANOG meetings.
Would make for a more trusted RBL we can tell customers to make use.
Spamhaus ever attend a NANOG meetings ?
Thank You
Bob Evans
CTO
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:41:08PM -0600, Bryan Tong wrote:
>> Yes that is part of it.
>>
>>
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Bryan Tong wrote:
> I wouldnt have such a disheartened attitude if they would have been
> specific or given time to comply.
>
> eSited LLC
> (701) 390-9638
Hi Brian,
eSited has 37 unresolved spam listings with Spamhaus, all documented
and some going as far back
On 07/28/2015 08:06 PM, Bryan Tong wrote:
Hello All,
SpamHaus has done us the favor of blacklisting all of our prefixes due to
the issues with handful of IPs from customers we have removed from our
network.
They are now being unresponsive on helping us get these listings removed
and we have a l
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:41:08PM -0600, Bryan Tong wrote:
> Yes that is part of it.
>
> There are other blocks they listed as well.
Well, http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL263089 has a fair amount of shady
stuff going on, and http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings/esited.com gives a
pretty dec
Yes Larry,
I have followed those instructions without a response.
So I was curious what to do when no response is given. I will wait longer
and see. Sorry if anything I have done has upset you.
Thanks
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Larry Sheldon
wrote:
> On 7/29/2015 00:58, Larry Sheldon w
On 7/29/2015 00:58, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 7/29/2015 00:37, Matt Palmer wrote:
I suspect that http://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/199.87.233.245 may be
part
of it (although it indicates a /21 blocked, not a /17).
And the removal instructions for that range (SBL) seems crystal clear to
me, but l
On 7/29/2015 00:37, Matt Palmer wrote:
I suspect that http://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/199.87.233.245 may be part
of it (although it indicates a /21 blocked, not a /17).
And the removal instructions for that range (SBL) seems crystal clear to
me, but long experience teaches that what is cryst
Yes that is part of it.
There are other blocks they listed as well.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Matt Palmer wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:13:02PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> > On 7/28/2015 22:57, Bryan Tong wrote:
> >
> > >Yes I have followed all of the procedures. I will continue
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:13:02PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 22:57, Bryan Tong wrote:
>
> >Yes I have followed all of the procedures. I will continue to wait to see
> >if there is any change.
>
> Would you please send me the address range in question--I would like to see
> what t
Hello!
Completely agree with Larry. I'm enough big hosting provider and we
have multiple spam issues every day. But we fix they ASAP before any
folks from SpamHaus become angry :)
So we still have 1-2 abuses from SpamHaus every few weeks. But we
resolve they in few hours and we haven't any issues
On 7/29/2015 00:24, goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 7/28/2015 22:06, Bryan Tong wrote:
If anyone has any advice on how to deal with these people. Please let me
know here or off list.
Based on years of experience, the very best way is "don't".
You have to
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 7/28/2015 22:06, Bryan Tong wrote:
If anyone has any advice on how to deal with these people. Please let me
know here or off list.
Based on years of experience, the very best way is "don't".
You have to work pretty hard to get a /17 listed.
Don'
On 7/28/2015 22:57, Bryan Tong wrote:
Yes I have followed all of the procedures. I will continue to wait to see
if there is any change.
Would you please send me the address range in question--I would like to
see what they told you to do.
--
sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Hello,
Yes I have followed all of the procedures. I will continue to wait to see
if there is any change.
Thanks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 7/28/2015 22:39, Bryan Tong wrote:
>
>> Well,
>>
>> I wouldnt have such a disheartened attitude if they would have been
>>
On 7/28/2015 22:39, Bryan Tong wrote:
Well,
I wouldnt have such a disheartened attitude if they would have been
specific or given time to comply.
I find listing an entire /17 without cause or a report to back it up an
unjust action.
Have you tried the widely known services they provide?
http
On 7/28/2015 22:06, Bryan Tong wrote:
If anyone has any advice on how to deal with these people. Please let me
know here or off list.
Based on years of experience, the very best way is "don't". Don't
profit from spam, and as a result don't deal with Spamhaus at all.
--
sed quis custodiet
Well,
I wouldnt have such a disheartened attitude if they would have been
specific or given time to comply.
I find listing an entire /17 without cause or a report to back it up an
unjust action.
I have contacted them through multiple mediums and have found no response.
So if someone has had bet
I know this is going to sound worse than the spirit in which I offer it but...
Step one might be to adjust the attitude from "Deal with these people" to
something along the lines of "how might we best resolve the issue".
No matter who you deal with, you will get much further with a good hum
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