Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:55 AM, Paul Graydon wrote: > On 12/1/2011 7:20 PM, John Curran wrote: >> Wayne - >> >> Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, >> so I'd advise waiting to review the actual sale order once approved by >> the court before making summary conclusions

Re: IP addresses are now assets

- Original Message - > From: "Owen DeLong" > On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:27 AM, cdel.firsthand.net wrote: > > The British have been using the correct six character word length > > for humour ad memoriam. > > Extra and unnecessary characters do not a correct word make. The u is silent. Like th

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Extra and unnecessary characters do not a correct word make. Owen On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:27 AM, cdel.firsthand.net wrote: > The British have been using the correct six character word length for humour > ad memoriam. > > > Christian de Larrinaga > > > On 4 Dec 2011, at 15:15, Gary Buhrmaster

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The British have been using the correct six character word length for humour ad memoriam. Christian de Larrinaga On 4 Dec 2011, at 15:15, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 18:18, David Barak wrote: > >> Should the HAC be expected to manage the transition to HumorV6? >> > >

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- Original Message - > From: "Robert Bonomi" > "if you're going to do a thing, do it RIGHT!!" > > "Anything worth doing, is worth over-doing." I love a good self-referential posting; don't you? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@bayli

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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 18:18, David Barak wrote: > Should the HAC be expected to manage the transition to HumorV6? > I am not that familiar with Humorv6. Has Hv6 had sufficient operational input, or is it based on a philosophically pure redesign of humor making it theoretically funny, but in pr

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From: David Barak > > Should the HAC be expected to manage the transition to HumorV6? > BEFORE that is introduced, one needs a mailing-list designated for discussion of the potential problems an dangers associated therewith, similar to the ACM's discussion list on computer technoogy. May I prop

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Should the HAC be expected to manage the transition to HumorV6? David

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It's hard to sustain that kind of commitment... so we need to form a Humor Advisory Committee. Their job would be to determine which behaviors the community finds most humorous. When the community doesn't produce enough material, the comedy HAC would write jokes on our behalf (for adoption by Jo

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 20:01, wrote: . > > Suggestion received and needing confirmation: > > That ARIN or a party it designates assign one or more sense(s) of humour to > the CEO. > I believe this suggestion su

Re: IP addresses are now assets

Ah... *this* is the Whacky Weekend thread. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 03:33:55AM +, John Curran wrote: > On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > > > No, Valdis, the ARIN posi

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 03:33:55AM +, John Curran wrote: > On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > > > No, Valdis, the ARIN position is "if we wanted Curran to have a sense of > > humor, > > we'd have issued him one". > > > Changes in this area may be proposed via the ARIN Con

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On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > No, Valdis, the ARIN position is "if we wanted Curran to have a sense of > humor, > we'd have issued him one". Changes in this area may be proposed via the ARIN Consultation and Suggestion Process -

Re: IP addresses are now assets

- Original Message - > From: "John Curran" > On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:48 AM, wrote: > > Would it be correct to summarize the ARIN position as "It's murkier than > > Cerner > > makes it out to be, and some lawyers are gonna get stinking filthy rich > > litigating this one"? > > It's pretty

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Michael R. Wayne wrote: > From > http://www.detnews.com/article/20111201/BIZ/112010483/1361/Borders-selling-Internet-addresses-for-$786-000 >   Borders selling Internet addresses for $786,000 Your IP address is an "asset" like the office you rent to setup a busi

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On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:56 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:37:29 MST, joshua sahala said: >> the speculative market exists and is growing, why do certain factions >> of the community keep trying to pretend that it doesn't? > > I'm sure at least some of those factions pre

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:37:29 MST, joshua sahala said: > the speculative market exists and is growing, why do certain factions > of the community keep trying to pretend that it doesn't? I'm sure at least some of those factions pretend it doesn't because admitting it does would be a game changer. I

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On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:37 PM, joshua sahala wrote: > intangible asset > An asset that is not a physical thing and only evidenced by a > written document. > > the addresses are being exchanged for money, in order to pay a > debt...how is this not a sale of an asset? Joshua - Rights

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>> On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:37:29PM -0700, joshua sahala wrote: >>>    Any property or right that is owned by a person or entity and has >>>    monetary value. See also liability. >>> >>>    All of the property of a person or entity or its total value; >>>    entries on a balance sheet listing s

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In a message written on Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 03:28:22PM -0500, Joe Loiacono wrote: > Mike Jones wrote on 12/02/2011 03:14:58 PM: > > What about land? it's a public resource that you've paid money to > > someone in exchange for transferring their rights over that public > > resource to you. > > L

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Mike Jones wrote on 12/02/2011 03:14:58 PM: > What about land? it's a public resource that you've paid money to > someone in exchange for transferring their rights over that public > resource to you. Land is private property. Joe

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On 2 December 2011 20:01, Henry Yen wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:37:29PM -0700, joshua sahala wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:20 PM, John Curran wrote:[cut] >> > Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, >> [cut] >> ianal, but the treatment of ip addresses by

RE: IP addresses are now assets

"John Lightfoot" wrote; > I have a boatload of IPv6 addresses I'm willing to sell at the low, low price > of $.01 each. Good for you. _I_ have somewhat over 17.8 million IPv4 addresses, in 3 large blocks, for which I will sell my 'right to use', at half your offering price.

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:37:29PM -0700, joshua sahala wrote: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:20 PM, John Curran wrote:[cut] > > Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, > [cut] > ianal, but the treatment of ip addresses by the bankruptcy court would > tend to agree with t

RE: IP addresses are now assets

> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Fri Dec 2 13:29:31 > 2011 > From: Leigh Porter > To: "Justin M. Streiner" , > Leo Bicknell > > Subject: RE: IP addresses are now assets > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:29:43 + > Cc: N

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I have a boatload of IPv6 addresses I'm willing to sell at the low, low price of $.01 each. -Original Message- From: Christopher J. Pilkington [mailto:c...@0x1.net] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:18 PM To: Michael R. Wayne Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: IP addresses are now assets On

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:37:29 -0500, joshua sahala wrote: Any property or right that is owned by a person or entity and has monetary value. See also liability. If it was a RIR assignment, it's not "owned". It's more akin to a "lease". That said, there are documented rules/proceedures

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--- jsah...@gmail.com wrote: the speculative market exists and is growing, why do certain factions of the community keep trying to pretend that it doesn't? --- Because they're busy getting ipv6 up and that will make these things less important? >;-) sc

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:20 PM, John Curran wrote:[cut] > Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, [cut] ianal, but the treatment of ip addresses by the bankruptcy court would tend to agree with the definition of an asset from webster's new world law dictionary (http:/

RE: IP addresses are now assets

> -Original Message- > From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] > Sent: 02 December 2011 19:26 > To: Leo Bicknell > Cc: NANOG > Subject: Re: IP addresses are now assets > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > > In a message writ

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:04:23PM -0500, Michael R. Wayne wrote: After negotiating with multiple prospective buyers, Cerner Corp. agreed to buy the Internet addresses for $12 each. Other bids were as low as $1.50 each, acco

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > ARIN, on many occasions, has stated that they have no authority over > legacy address space. They made this declaration in the Kamens/sex.com > case. I haven't heard that anything has changed since then. Martin - ARIN will maintain the regis

Re: IP addresses are now assets

I have acres on the moon that are up for sale. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote: > On Dec 1, 2011, at 23:04, "Michael R. Wayne" wrote: > >> After negotiating with multiple prospective buyers, Cerner Corp. >>   agreed to buy the Internet addresses for $12 each. Oth

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 1, 2011, at 23:04, "Michael R. Wayne" wrote: > After negotiating with multiple prospective buyers, Cerner Corp. > agreed to buy the Internet addresses for $12 each. Other bids were > as low as $1.50 each, according to a bankruptcy court filing. Clearly the addresses with the last octe

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > So I do wonder, how is this policy is being enforced and will ARIN be > investigating this current news item? Leigh - No investigation is needed, as I already noted the parties have sought out ARIN in advance. Note that original sales s

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net] >> Joly - >> >>   Requests are processed according the transfer policies >>   .  If a >>   request doesn't meet the tran

Re: IP addresses are now assets

In a message written on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:04:23PM -0500, Michael R. Wayne wrote: >After negotiating with multiple prospective buyers, Cerner Corp. >agreed to buy the Internet addresses for $12 each. Other bids were >as low as $1.50 each, according to a bankruptcy court filing. S

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 03:52, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > In any litigation, Counsel always wins.  I often remind myself that > there's still time to go to law school.  :-) It may be too late. The glory days of getting a JD and then racking in the money are apparently over. I remember readi

RE: IP addresses are now assets

> -Original Message- > From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net] > Joly - > > Requests are processed according the transfer policies > . If a > request doesn't meet the transfer policy (e.g. the sale > is not to an actual entity tha

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > Hi John, > > I'm sorry to be thick, but can you explain "right of visibility to the > public portion of registrations" a little further?. > > Under what circumstances might ARIN deny approval? Joly - Requests are processed according the tra

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Hi John, I'm sorry to be thick, but can you explain "right of visibility to the public portion of registrations" a little further?. Under what circumstances might ARIN deny approval? j On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:42 AM, John Curran wrote: > On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:48 AM, wrote: > > > Would it be

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:48 AM, wrote: > Would it be correct to summarize the ARIN position as "It's murkier than > Cerner > makes it out to be, and some lawyers are gonna get stinking filthy rich > litigating this one"? It's pretty simple: you can write a contract to transfer IP addresses in acco

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valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes: > Would it be correct to summarize the ARIN position as "It's murkier than > Cerner > makes it out to be, and some lawyers are gonna get stinking filthy rich > litigating this one"? > > :) In any litigation, Counsel always wins. I often remind myself that there'

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:20:39 GMT, John Curran said: > ARIN holds that IP address space is not property but is managed as a > public resource. Address holders may have certain rights (such as the > right to be the registrant of the address block, the right to transfer the > registration, etc.) but

Re: IP addresses are now assets

On 12/1/2011 7:20 PM, John Curran wrote: Wayne - Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, so I'd advise waiting to review the actual sale order once approved by the court before making summary conclusions. ARIN holds that IP address space is not property but is manag

Re: IP addresses are now assets

Wayne - Your subject line (IP addresses are now assets) could mislead folks, so I'd advise waiting to review the actual sale order once approved by the court before making summary conclusions. ARIN holds that IP address space is not property but is managed as a public resource. Address hold