Ressurecting this thread: GIGLINX is still at it.
They contacted me on an email that was only ever used for registering an
ASN with ARIN.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:14 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
>
> > The usual method is to insert "ringers" which wo
On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> The usual method is to insert "ringers" which would be info which
> points back at non-existant people with valid-looking contact
> information.
>
> If for example they called a phone number, or several, owned by ARIN
> (or a service they employe
On July 31, 2013 at 08:00 j...@west.net (Jay Hennigan) wrote:
>
> It's surprising how people go out of their way to deny that it's a sales
> call, and then start trying to sell something.
[NOTE: The anecdote is followed by some practical advice]
I had a guy call and tell the person who ans
On 7/26/13 8:32 AM, Joel M Snyder wrote:
> I also don't see the problem of cold calling when it's obviously for a
> service or product that I am interested in, just as I don't see the
> problem of cold snail-mailing for the same services. I'm in business,
> and I expect other businesses to try an
Hi,
John Curran wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>
> > If someone studies that and finds there is a correlation to spam
based
> > on WHOIS listing alone,
> > then perhaps
>
> No study has been conducted, but we do receive a small number of
complaints
> each year abou
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On 7/27/13, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:18:52 -0500, Jimmy Hess said:
> > I have to admit that this is the biggest can-o-worms suggestion > I've
> seen all week.
> > (Hint: our org chart says I work in our Networ
On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> ...
> In other words --- they would have passed a knowledge proof, showing
> they deserve the right to bypass "Level 1 call center drones".
>
> E.g. to gain enhanced access in a world with 'an additional level of
> whois access'
> Step 1...
>
On 7/27/13, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:18:52 -0500, Jimmy Hess said:
> I have to admit that this is the biggest can-o-worms suggestion > I've seen
> all week.
> (Hint: our org chart says I work in our Network Storage and Backup
> group - the lurker in the next cubicl
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:18:52 -0500, Jimmy Hess said:
> authenticated with an implied promise that only vetted
> individuals with a proven network engineering experience
> background can see the 'additional' information,
I have to admit that this is the biggest can-o-worms suggestion
I've
On Jul 27, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
> For the folks who aren't aware, there is working being done on a proposal
> for a complete do-over of WHOIS:
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130703_rebooting_whois/
> I don't believe this work address the regional registry information, which
> i
sation has crossed over
into the domain names, too.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Pavely [mailto:para...@nac.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:35 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
> Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on
Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on
your abuse@ mailbox, IF you even have an abuse@, which a lot of you
don't. Because we tried calling, and your tier1 are clueless.
Fix your mailservers. Train your staff. Staff your abuse desk. Then
we'll talk.
My mail server
On 7/26/13, Warren Bailey wrote:
> Said the Network Engineer of The City of San Francisco..
Hey, noone said the operators at the controls don't have to give
the keys up if their owners demand it -- the owners just can't
drive.
If you collectively piss off the guild of taxi drivers, in a wo
Lol yet we can't use the side cutters cause we all report to the corporate
overlords
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On 2013-07-26, at 8:18 PM, "Jon Lewis" wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote:
>
>> NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in
>> creating the 'magic
On 7/26/13, Matt Hite wrote:
> I actually think it's important to have contact information publicly
> available. I realize this opens the door for abuse, but I've found that
> using a call screening service (Google Voice) at least provides a bit of
> shield.
Hm.. a thought does occur, that /so
Said the Network Engineer of The City of San Francisco..
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Original message
From: Jon Lewis
Date: 07/26/2013 6:17 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Larry Stites
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote:
> NA
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Larry Stites wrote:
NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in
creating the 'magic lamp' and the cork which held the marketing Jeanie
inside. The same operators who took the cork out and rubbed the 'magic
lamp'... The Jeanie is now out of the bo
I actually think it's important to have contact information publicly
available. I realize this opens the door for abuse, but I've found that
using a call screening service (Google Voice) at least provides a bit of
shield.
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Vocke wrote:
> Sent this little e-
On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> If someone studies that and finds there is a correlation to spam based
> on WHOIS listing alone,
> then perhaps
No study has been conducted, but we do receive a small number of complaints
each year about email contact information being solici
On 7/26/13, John Curran wrote:
> ARIN will run the Whois database however you folks collectively want it run.
> Write up the change you seek (should be fairly easy), show rough consensus
> in the community for the change (slightly more difficult task), and then,
I personally think there is too l
;t that kind of what's happening?
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Original message
From: Scott Weeks
Date: 07/26/2013 2:38 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey
It'
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:42 AM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote:
>
>> Why can't we implement a method where you have to be a registered, and
> paying, user/member with an AS number to be able to get IP whois
> 'contact' info? Sure list my name and company. But keep my email and
> phone number private
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey
It's called retargeting and they are using cookies to do it.
--
So, properly manage your cookies and this will stop:
Flash cookies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loca
On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
> Suggestion: Put tagged addresses and, if possible, phone numbers in your ARIN
> whois and other public records. When someone emails that address or calls
> that number, make sure you put them on a "never buy from" list, and they know
-Original Message-
From: Rich Kulawiec [mailto:r...@gsp.org]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:23 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:42:18AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote:
> Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:42:18AM -0700, goe...@anime.net wrote:
> Because your mail servers are broken. Because you put spamfilters on
> your abuse@ mailbox, IF you even have an abuse@, which a lot of you
> don't. Because we tried calling, and your tier1 are clueless.
>
> Fix your mailservers. T
G list
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:40 AM
>Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
>
>
>Patrick,
>
>On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>>> Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things
>>> at ICANN, but
Patrick,
On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things
>> at ICANN, but the mechanisms are ... different and much slower (since it
>> involves getting consensus in a multi-stakeholder environment).
>
> Sure
On July 26, 2013 at 13:06 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (valdis.kletni...@vt.edu)
wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:54:21 -0400, Alex Rubenstein said:
> > The LED billboards on the side of the road displaying targeted
> > advertisements, based on your proximity to them, because your android
> > phon
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Pavely [mailto:para...@nac.net]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:33 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse
contact&
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
On 7/26/13 9:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame.
>> I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at
>> Barracudas site. I went on with m
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:54:21 -0400, Alex Rubenstein said:
> The LED billboards on the side of the road displaying targeted
> advertisements, based on your proximity to them, because your android phone is
> telling the sign where you are.
There's 6 other drivers within range. What set of targeted
On Jul 26, 2013, at 12:54 , Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame.
>> I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at
>> Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors
>> start s
On 7/26/13 9:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame.
I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at
Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors
start showing up on random
ternet companies.
--
TTFN,
patrick
On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:59 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:47 AM
> To: NANOG list
> Subject: Re:
You are not crazy.
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Original message
From: Alex Rubenstein
Date: 07/26/2013 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey ,"Otis L. Surratt,
Jr." ,"Patrick W. Gilmore" ,NANOG list
Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
> Case in p
> Case in point.. And I'm going to name drop, but do not consider this a shame.
> I have been looking at various filtering technologies, and was looking at
> Barracudas site. I went on with my day, but noticed that filtering vendors
> start showing up on random websites. Fast forward 24 hours later
On 7/26/13 11:59 AM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote:
>What happen to the days when you could simply tell someone not
>interested, don't call again and you wouldn't hear from them ever
>again?
>Or the days when everything wasn't treated as spam
When the former days disappeared, the latter
ike big business knows as much
as they do.
And I don't know how the rest of you have it, but if I get 10 bucks in the
mail.. I'm spending it.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: "Otis L. Surratt, Jr."
Date: 07/26/2013 9:01 AM (GMT-08:00)
T
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Justin Vocke wrote:
> 512-377-6827 was one of the numbers trying to get more information about
> my
> network and how they could "help" me.
>
Which appears to be http://www.siptrunksproviders.com/
Which in turns appears to be the same company as http://giglinx.co
On 7/26/13 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:05 , David Conrad wrote:
>> > On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore"
>> > wrote:
>>> >> You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member
>>> >> organizations. Propose a change, get the votes, and POO
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:59:37 -0500, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." said:
> What happen to the days when you could simply tell someone not
> interested, don't call again and you wouldn't hear from them ever
> again?
It's not just networking - recently I received a cold call from
a local company trying
-Original Message-
From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:47 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
On Jul 25, 2013, at 19:29 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr."
wrote:
> From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintellig
On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:05 , David Conrad wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" wrote:
>> You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member
>> organizations. Propose a change, get the votes, and POOF!, things are
>> changed.
>
> Err. ICANN isn't a membership o
>What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a
>nslookup on a website, and then whois on the ip,
>who is calling to say his porn site
>is partially not working and he's pissed.
No amount of changing contacts is going to solve this type of problem.
We routinely get support calls, sometim
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 09:32 , Ryan Pavely wrote:
>
>>
>> I doubt that will ever happen. So it's time for me to update my arin
>> contact as this past weekend I got exactly that 2am porn call and it was
>> quite disturbing which website
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" wrote:
> You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member organizations.
> Propose a change, get the votes, and POOF!, things are changed.
Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things at
ICANN, but th
On Jul 26, 2013, at 09:32 , Ryan Pavely wrote:
> What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a nslookup on a website,
> and then whois on the ip, who is calling to say his porn site is partially
> not working and he's pissed.
>
> imho. The days of having public records like whois/rwh
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:42:11 -0500, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." said:
> > Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse
> contact', and end up spamming all whois org contacts. What's the point
> in that?
>
> I agree. Most of them end up blasting all contacts which is completely
>
On Jul 25, 2013, at 19:29 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote:
> From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com]
>> Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of maintaining the whois?
>
> Yep!
>
>> We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think it's
> something that people a
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Pavely [mailto:para...@nac.net]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:33 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
> Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse
contact', and end up spamming all whois org contact
What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a nslookup on a
website, and then whois on the ip, who is calling to say his porn site
is partially not working and he's pissed.
imho. The days of having public records like whois/rwhois available has
passed. The data use to be protected w
On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:20 PM, "Scott Weeks" wrote:
> I'd be interested in knowing who it is, so I can be sure to
> never buy from them.
This is the way to go. Spammers and telemarketers don't do what they do for fun
or malice, they do so because it's profitable. If people would stop buying fro
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey
...this list has a lot of valuable eyes looking at it - so it's
often a sales guy's wet dream. ...
-
And when they see their names on this list as spammers t
solarwinds sent me a random 10 dollar amazon gift card a few weeks back so not
all is lost.. ;)
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Original message
From: Justin Vocke
Date: 07/25/2013 4:37 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey
Cc: sur...@mauigateway.com,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re:
t;
>
> Original message
> From: Scott Weeks
> Date: 07/25/2013 4:28 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
>
>
>
>
> --- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
> From: Warren Bailey
>
> We regis
t, Jr."
Date: 07/25/2013 4:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey ,Justin Vocke
,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
-Original Message-
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
To: Justin Vocke; nanog@na
Vocke; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
>
>> Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of maintaining the whois?
>
> Yep!
>
>> We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think it's
> something that people are going to have to liv
cott Weeks
Date: 07/25/2013 4:28 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey
We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think
it's something that people are g
-Original Message-
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
To: Justin Vocke; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: ARIN WHOIS for leads
>Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of maintaining the whois?
Yep!
>We registered a
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey
We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think
it's something that people are going to have to live with. :/
---
No, we don't have to live with it. Name
--- justin.vo...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Justin Vocke
My guess is someone is using your mass whois database, looking
at the most recently issued/created AS numbers, and cold calling.
I'd be interested in knowing who it is, so I can be sure to
neve
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of maintaining the whois?
We registered a few domains and get the same thing, I think it's something that
people are going to have to live with. :/
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From: Justin Vocke
Date: 07/25/2013 4:04 PM (GMT
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