On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:07:42 -0800, Sabri Berisha said:
> Financial incentives also work. Perhaps we can convince Mr. Biden to give a
> .5%
> tax cut to corporations that fully implement v6. That will create some bonus
> targets.
And how would you define "fully implement v6", anyhow?
Case in poi
Mark Andrews wrote:
Majority only means >50%
But actual word used by LACNIC is "mainly" as Jordi wrote:
: *“Mainly” is understood to mean more than 50%.
: (https://www.lacnic.net/681/2/lacnic/)
: The 50% was not there before, so I submitted a "recent"
: policy proposal that reached consensus,
In article <2debf180-f514-4183-afa5-6e0cf9a73...@isc.org> you write:
>If 40% of address are used in LACNIC, 30% in APNIC and 30% in RIPE then the
>majority of addresses by region
>are in the LACNIC region.
Most of us would call that a plurality. Majority means more than half.
What does this ha
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:07 PM Mark Andrews wrote:
> Majority only means >50%
> when there are 2 parties.
>
> When there is more than 2 parties the majority can be less than 50%. When
> there is more than 2 parties, one uses the term “absolute majority” to
> indicate >50%.
At least in Americ
Majority only means >50%
when there are 2 parties.
When there is more than 2 parties the majority can be less than 50%. When
there is more than 2 parties, one uses the term “absolute majority” to indicate
>50%.
There are more than 2 RIRs.
If 40% of address are used in LACNIC, 30% in APNIC
Peace,
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 3:24 PM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
> My proposal added the clarification that "majority" is understood as
> "over 50%".
>
> And the proposal is denied to be unreasonable by Toma and, more
> aggress
> On Jan 21, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> > How many other Belize defuncts do they have? How many offshore countries
> > like Belize are there in the region?
>
> Based on my cursory knowledge of offshore corporate registrations in Belize,
> Panama and the Cayman Islands, identif
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 03:43:43PM -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote:
> No, but the NOC that sits in between does need to access both. Sure, you can
A single NOC sitting in the middle of a single address space. I believe
I'm detecting an architectural paradigm on the order of "bouncy castle."
Tell me,
Joe Provo wrote:
If someone chooses to operate in a region without backing that
choice with sufficient resources, perhaps it isn't a wise choice?
Within LACNIC region, the official language is English in
"South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands" (and,
though there is disputes, "Falkland I
Joe Provo wrote:
It should also be noted that you can't expect a Russian company
having some business in LACNIC region read document of LACNIC
not in English or Russian, which is why some reservation
statements I mentioned could have been essentially important.
The onus is on the entity that
An embarrassing mistake. I'm not a computer and don't count from zero. It is,
of course, at 172.18.7.12:2239 and not 11.
Jan 22, 2021 18:01:15 Izaac :
> We can SSH to the 39th host at: 172.18.7.11:2239
- On Jan 22, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Izaac iz...@setec.org wrote:
Hi,
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 01:03:15PM -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>> TL;DR: a combination of scale and incompetence means you can run out of 10/8
>> really quick.
>
> Indeed. Thank you for providing a demonstration of my point.
The KB indicates that the problem is with the "LG TV WebOS 3.8 or above."
Doug
(not speaking for any employers, current or former)
On 1/22/21 12:42 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
Disney should hire some proper developers and QA team.
RFC 1123 instructed developers to make sure your products handled
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 08:18:08PM +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote:
[snip]
> It should also be noted that you can't expect a Russian company
> having some business in LACNIC region read document of LACNIC
> not in English or Russian, which is why some reservation
> statements I mentioned could have been
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 01:03:15PM -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote:
> TL;DR: a combination of scale and incompetence means you can run out of 10/8
> really quick.
Indeed. Thank you for providing a demonstration of my point.
I'd question the importance of having an console on target in Singapore
be ab
On 1/22/21 6:09 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:
V6 Adoption always is, and always will be, metered by time, money and
resources. Everybody kicks the can on things like this until they
can't anymore.
-
I have always said the management chooses this. It's a cost-only
t
On 1/21/21 4:29 PM, Travis Garrison wrote:
What's all your opinion when company's such as Disney actively recommend
disabling IPv6? They are presenting it as IPv6 is blocking their app.
https://help.disneyplus.com/csp?id=csp_article_content&sys_kb_id=c91af021dbe46850b03cc58a139619ed
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- On Jan 22, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Izaac iz...@setec.org wrote:
Hi,
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 02:47:32PM +0100, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:
>> certain large corporations that have run out of RFC1918, etc. space
>
> At what level of incompetence must an organization operate to squander
> r
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 03:44:34PM -0500, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
> You mean like Rogers?
Smashing example. They've got fewer than 4 million subscribers (only
about a million of them being Internet), and yet they have somehow gone
through over 17 million addresses?
"Ohh no! Quick! Let's abando
Big networks do run out of IPv4 space. It doesn’t require incompetence just
lots of devices. That said if the devices where purchased in the last 2 decades
they should support IPv6.
How many devices do you think a large car manufacture has on the shop floor?
Remember some run their own bus se
You mean like Rogers?
https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Internet/Why-is-my-first-hop-on-a-trace-route-to-the-United-States/td-p/30382
At 03:28 PM 22/01/2021, Izaac wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 02:47:32PM +0100, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:
> certain large corporations that have r
Disney should hire some proper developers and QA team.
RFC 1123 instructed developers to make sure your products handled multi-homed
servers properly and dealing with one of the addresses being unreachable is
part of that. It’s not like the app can’t attempt to a stream from the IPv6
address a
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 02:47:32PM +0100, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:
> certain large corporations that have run out of RFC1918, etc. space
At what level of incompetence must an organization operate to squander
roughly 70,000 /24 networks?
Or to do so and then decide, "You know what we real
Joe,
I haven't done that kind of work for a few years now, but I assume the
answer to your question in terms of hardware is still yes.
By and large the problem isn't hardware, it's finding the institutional
will to actually do the thing. That requires a lot of education,
creating or buying r
Randy,
In one sense I agree with you, but what I was reacting to was the idea
of an ISP begging IETF to reassign 22/8 as private space because their
customers won't migrate to IPv6. That's problematic for many reasons,
and causes the folks who aren't getting with the program to inflict the
pa
My opinion is that such recommendations are short sighted, and simply
creating tech debt and future support issues for themselves, and in some
cases, intermediaries. That example you linked though is pretty specific to
one "smart" TV OS ; it's possible that there is a V6 specific issue with
that TV
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 9:33 AM Tiago Felipe Goncalves via NANOG
wrote:
>
> Dear,
>
> Do we have someone from Arin who takes care of the DB/whois data here on
> the list? If so, please contact me directly.
I think you mean: hostmas...@arin.net
Dear,
Do we have someone from Arin who takes care of the DB/whois data here on
the list? If so, please contact me directly.
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Atenciosamente|Best regards|Vriendelijke groeten,
Tiago Felipe Gonçalves
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What's all your opinion when company's such as Disney actively recommend
disabling IPv6? They are presenting it as IPv6 is blocking their app. We all
know that isn’t possible. Several people have issues with their app and Amazon
firesticks. I use my phone and a chromecast and I see the issues wh
El 22/1/21 13:25, "NANOG en nombre de Masataka Ohta"
escribió:
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
> My proposal added the clarification that "majority" is understood as
"over 50%".
And the proposal is denied to be unreasonable by Toma and, more
aggressively, by me.
I'm not sure how to interpret your response, but was not a meant of attacking
anyone, on the other way around, I put my own example that *not being member of
any RIR (not having resources in any of them, but having customers in all the
regions, and helping them in that)* I'm contributing to poli
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
My proposal added the clarification that "majority" is understood as "over 50%".
And the proposal is denied to be unreasonable by Toma and, more
aggressively, by me.
So?
> The staff was already interpreting the policy like that, because
> usually when yo
No, what I'm saying is that the original text of the policy *BEFORE* I send my
proposal to amend it was:
"majority" (not clarifying what is majority)
My proposal added the clarification that "majority" is understood as "over 50%".
The staff was already interpreting the policy like that, because
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
Policies in each RIR are developed by the (global) community. I live
in Madrid, EU, my RIR is RIPE NCC, RIPE community, however, I
contribute to policy making process in all the regions (all the
RIRs), even if I've no resources in any of them.
I acknowledg
I would think as long as most of the LACNIC addresses are used in region they
are fine. Without going and reading the policies in full, I would expect that
there would be a exception for multinationals to allow them to get addresses
from wherever they held a significant usage.
--
Mark Andrew
Sorry to have sent uneditted text.
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
First think to clarify: In the Spanish version, the text is (mayoría)
"majority" (that's why I said the translation as mainly, to me -not a
native English-, is wrong).
I'm afraid you have already stated:
> *“Mainly” is
I think you're missing the point about what are policies in the RIRs.
Policies in each RIR are developed by the (global) community. I live in Madrid,
EU, my RIR is RIPE NCC, RIPE community, however, I contribute to policy making
process in all the regions (all the RIRs), even if I've no resource
Hi Toma,
First think to clarify: In the Spanish version, the text is (mayoría)
"majority" (that's why I said the translation as mainly, to me -not a native
English-, is wrong).
Note also that the original text, before my policy proposal already said the
same, but didn't stated if majorit
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
Not at all.
The "top" mandate of any RIR, in terms or resource allocation, is
what the policies say.
Within LACNIC, yes, of course. LACNIC can specify some document
specifies the policy to be followed by all the employees of LACNIC.
However, that is a con
Peace,
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 12:27 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG:
> The numbering resources under the stewardship of LACNIC must be
> distributed among organizations legally constituted within its service
> region [COBERTURA] and mainly *serving networks and services operating in
> this regio
Not at all.
The "top" mandate of any RIR, in terms or resource allocation, is what the
policies say.
The document that you linked is just a "guide" and unfortunately, unless I
missed it, the document doesn't have a "publication date", but I bet is several
years old. Further to that is authored
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
No, this is not correct. LACNIC policies, state:
that LACNIC has contradicting statements is a problem
of LACNIC and you can not say others that the statement
of your choice is the one others must follow.
> (look at the Spanish version, English seems not
No, this is not correct. LACNIC policies, state:
1.14 Principles for Proper Administration and Stewardship
The fundamental principle is to distribute unique Internet numbering resources
according to the technical and operational needs of the networks currently
using, or that will use, these numb
Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Based on my cursory knowledge of offshore corporate registrations in
Belize, Panama and the Cayman Islands, identifying those locations which
are only mailboxes versus actual business office addresses should not be
overly complicated or difficult.
A problem, however, is that
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