Re: 204.17.16.0/20 Unreachable via Comcast ASN 7992; Looking for Help or Contacts

2013-08-07 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: > BGP Noob question here; but wouldn't Time Warner not recieve a prefix if it > wasn't reachable? Is this an artifact? > In a perfect world, people wouldn't advertise prefixes unless they knew they had reachability for those prefixes. Unfortuna

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/7/2013 2:58 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:07:04 -0700, Paul Ferguson said: Having said that, there are quite a few documented cases of it being done intentionally, and for nefarious purposes. Do I need ECC on my brain to stop the bitrot, or was there a kerfluf

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Ferguson writes: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > > > On (2013-08-07 11:20 +0300), Martin T wrote: > > > >> on Internet? Has there been such situations in history? Isn't there a > >> method against such hijacking? Or have I misunderstood something and > >>

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Marsh Ray writes: > > From: Christopher Morrow > > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:06 PM > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Marsh Ray wrote: > > > > > > It would be incredibly useful for someone to start a page or a > > > category on > > > Wikipedia "List of Internet Routing a

Re: IPAM

2013-08-07 Thread Brandon Ross
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013, Natambu Obleton wrote: I have customer that we deployed Northstar for their internal ip management over 8 yrs ago. They are still using it, but it is slowly breaking on them. Can someone recommend an IPAM solution that has a Northstar import option? They have hundreds of en

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Donner
> It appears AS3549 is announcing 10.0.0.0/8. I noticed it from an > AS3549 customer. > >>From GBLX looking glass, ATL1 > > traceroute > Protocol [ip]: ip > Target IP address: 10.0.0.1 > Source address: > Numeric display [n]: n > Timeout in seconds [3]: 1 > Probe count [3]: 2 > Minimum Time to Li

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Alexander Neilson
Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited alexan...@neilson.net.nz 021 329 681 022 456 2326 On 8/08/2013, at 9:47 AM, Marsh Ray wrote: >> From: Christopher Morrow >> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:06 PM >> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Marsh Ray wrote: >>> >>>

RE: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Marsh Ray
> From: Christopher Morrow > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:06 PM > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Marsh Ray wrote: > > > > It would be incredibly useful for someone to start a page or a category on > Wikipedia "List of Internet Routing and DNS Incidents" that would include > both "accident

Re: 204.17.16.0/20 Unreachable via Comcast ASN 7992; Looking for Help or Contacts

2013-08-07 Thread Phil Fagan
BGP Noob question here; but wouldn't Time Warner not recieve a prefix if it wasn't reachable? Is this an artifact? On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Chad Reid wrote: > Thanks for the assistance everyone. This issue was resolved by shutting > down a BGP peering session between Time Warner and Com

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Marsh Ray wrote: > > It would be incredibly useful for someone to start a page or a category on > Wikipedia "List of Internet Routing and DNS Incidents" that would include > both "accidental" and malicious events. > do we really need that? they seem to occur ofte

RE: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Marsh Ray
> From: Paul Ferguson > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:07 AM > Subject: Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking > > Historically, most prefix hijacks have been accidental, generally due to > configuration error -- for instance... > > Having said that, there are quite a few documented cases o

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:07:04 -0700, Paul Ferguson said: > Having said that, there are quite a few documented cases of it being > done intentionally, and for nefarious purposes. Do I need ECC on my brain to stop the bitrot, or was there a kerfluffle a long ways back when somebody announced 127/8,

IPAM

2013-08-07 Thread Natambu Obleton
I have customer that we deployed Northstar for their internal ip management over 8 yrs ago. They are still using it, but it is slowly breaking on them. Can someone recommend an IPAM solution that has a Northstar import option? They have hundreds of entries detailing customer who was assigned the

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Indra Pramana
One big happening I can recall was the AS7007 incident way back in 1997. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_7007_incident Cheers. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Ahad Aboss wrote: > It has happened in the past and there is no silver bullet solution to > prevent this 100%. > > > -Original Me

RE: Comcast contact

2013-08-07 Thread Shaw, Matthew
I agree it's not a lot of bandwidth, but I was grasping at straws at that point finding out about the cross country VoIP arrangement after the fact. For whatever reason, the 711 calls were full of voice clipping and call drops, 729, (with to your point, the lower MOS) worked better as despite no

Re: Comcast contact

2013-08-07 Thread Ray Wong
agreed this isn't the case based on what I've seen based on my latest former employer(s). Comcast is playing by the (generally agreed upon) rules. what I have been seeing is a lot of other route optimizations changing as other providers consolidate routing among latest acquisitions. And of course,

Re: Comcast contact

2013-08-07 Thread Chad Reid
Andy, I posted in this list earlier in the week regarding Comcast and an issue my company was experiencing. I also posted at www.reddit.com/r/networking. I had numerous support staff from Comcast contact me over on Reddit. I would recommend posting there too. Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 1

Re: Comcast contact

2013-08-07 Thread Livingood, Jason
>I have found Comcast rate shapes or resets long running encrypted >sessions such as https. At $DAYJOB I had to set our SSL VPN system to >re-key via new-tunnels every 5 minutes to keep it under their threshold >of what looks like seven minutes for a tcp session. After that the >sessions appear

RE: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Ahad Aboss
It has happened in the past and there is no silver bullet solution to prevent this 100%. -Original Message- From: Martin T [mailto:m4rtn...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013 7:13 PM To: Paul Ferguson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking Ok. And su

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Martin T wrote: > Ok. And such attacks have happened in the past? For example one could > do a pretty widespread damage for at least short period of time if it > announces for example some of the root DNS server prefixes(as long > prefixes as possible) to it's upst

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Massimiliano Stucchi
On 8/7/13 11:13 AM, Martin T wrote: > Ok. And such attacks have happened in the past? For example one could > do a pretty widespread damage for at least short period of time if it > announces for example some of the root DNS server prefixes(as long > prefixes as possible) to it's upstream provider

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Martin T
Ok. And such attacks have happened in the past? For example one could do a pretty widespread damage for at least short period of time if it announces for example some of the root DNS server prefixes(as long prefixes as possible) to it's upstream provider and as upstream provider probably prefers cl

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2013-08-07 11:20 +0300), Martin T wrote: > >> on Internet? Has there been such situations in history? Isn't there a >> method against such hijacking? Or have I misunderstood something and >> this isn't possible? > > Certainly practical scenar

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-08-07 11:20 +0300), Martin T wrote: > on Internet? Has there been such situations in history? Isn't there a > method against such hijacking? Or have I misunderstood something and > this isn't possible? Certainly practical scenario, but in many cases not needed at all. In most cases upstr

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Ferguson
Unfortunately, it is way too easy for people to inject routes into the global routing system. I think most of the folks on the list can attest to that. :-) - ferg On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Martin T wrote: > Hi, > > as probably many of you know, it's possible to create a "route" object >

questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Martin T
Hi, as probably many of you know, it's possible to create a "route" object to RIPE database for an address space which is allocated outside the RIPE region using the RIPE-NCC-RPSL-MNT maintainer object. For example an address space is from APNIC or ARIN region and AS is from RIPE region. For examp