Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Kevin Kadow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Ukpong Ukpong wrote: > Have you tried qradar? It's rather good I've used Splunk and QRadar; both are available as free VMware appliances with limitations on log volume, sufficient for testing. Or if you're mostly looking at webserver/proxy/firewall logs, Sawmil

Latency issue - TWC NYC / Roadrunner - AS12271 / AS7843

2011-09-30 Thread Greg B - NANOG
Hi, If anyone from Time Warner Cable / Roadrunner is monitoring, there's been a high latency issue on your network in NYC both yesterday (for at least 10 hours) and again this evening to most/all of the internet. Please contact me off-list if you need more information. Thanks. Sample pings/traces

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/30/2011 08:56 AM, Blake T. Pfankuch wrote: > The easy way around the unhappy significant other/minion shaped offspring > solution is to put all of the "end user" devices On a separate VLAN, and then > treat that as an open DMZ. Then everything operational (ironic in a home) on > your secu

Re: Were A record domain names ever limited to 23 characters?

2011-09-30 Thread Joe Hamelin
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 02:54:38PM -0700, steve pirk [egrep] wrote: > I seem to recollect back the 1999 or 2000 times that I was unable to > register a domain name that was 24 characters long... I remember tales from when there was an eight character limit. But that was back when you didn't h

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: >> On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >>> this is exactly why punting anything NOT management and/or >>> routing-protocols should be banned. Thanks for mak

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> this is exactly why punting anything NOT management and/or routing-protocols >> should be banned. Thanks for making that point explicitly. > > And this is the requirement which s

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > this is exactly why punting anything NOT management and/or routing-protocols > should be banned. Thanks for making that point explicitly. And this is the requirement which should be placed in RFPs, along with other specific requirements

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > enough is enough please stop doing this. Yes, but keep in mind that this particular issue has to do with an ASIC which is several years old and which contains other significant handicaps as well (viz. NetFlow caveats, no per-interface uRP

Cross posting: Call for Program Committee candidates for the NANOG PC

2011-09-30 Thread Dave Temkin
All, If you've ever thought about helping to give back to the community and you regularly attend NANOG conferences, please consider running for the NANOG Program Committee. Committee nominations close on 10/11/2011, and we need your help! The seventeen-member NANOG Program Committee solicits

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:58 , Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/30/11 3:41 PM, Michael Painter wrote: >> Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info >>> about the prineville, oregon FB datacenter. >>> >>> http://www.economist.com/node/21525237 >>> >>> steve >> >>

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Callahan Warlick
It was a relative comparison, and it's off the shelf network gear. -Callahan On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/30/11 3:41 PM, Michael Painter wrote: >> Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info >>> about the prinev

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/30/11 3:41 PM, Michael Painter wrote: > Steven G. Huter wrote: >> this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info >> about the prineville, oregon FB datacenter. >> >> http://www.economist.com/node/21525237 >> >> steve > > Informative article..."It's the climate, stupid".

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 15:19 , Steven G. Huter wrote: >>> I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was >>> recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a >>> second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, >>> where there's raised floors, cabinets, co

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Michael Painter
Steven G. Huter wrote: this August 2011 article in the Economist outlines some relevant info about the prineville, oregon FB datacenter. http://www.economist.com/node/21525237 steve Informative article..."It's the climate, stupid". Got a laugh out of: "The server racks are nearly silent, and

RE: events

2011-09-30 Thread Brandon Kim
Good question, we do not use manageengine for NMS and I have no desire to use them either. I tried their NMS platform last year and it was "ok", the interface just seemed a little clunky Setting up ManageEngine syslog was a breeze and now we get alerts based on what kind of messages we wan

Re: Were A record domain names ever limited to 23 characters?

2011-09-30 Thread steve pirk [egrep]
Found a decent starting reference. It was a Network solutions limit... I *knew* it! LOL http://www.123-domain-register.com/longdomainnames.htm The domain in question was inspectorgadgetthemovie.com 27 characters long including the .tld. I was off by one, the limit was 22 characters for the A recor

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Steven G. Huter
I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, where there's raised floors, cabinets, cool air, a guard and a few guys around with some screens?

Re: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/30/11 14:59 , Jones, Barry wrote: > I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was > recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a > second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, > where there's raised floors, cabinets, cool air, a g

Re: Were A record domain names ever limited to 23 characters?

2011-09-30 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 02:54:38PM -0700, steve pirk [egrep] wrote: > I seem to recollect back the 1999 or 2000 times that I was unable to > register a domain name that was 24 characters long. Shortly after that, I > heard that the character limit had been increased to like 128 characters, > and we

The Cidr Report

2011-09-30 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 30 21:12:35 2011 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2011-09-30 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 22-Sep-11 -to- 29-Sep-11 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS982944536 2.8% 61.9 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 2 - AS58003

RE: facebook spying on us?

2011-09-30 Thread Jones, Barry
I can't tell you the kind of servers, but I can say that I was recently in Prineville, OR, where FB is building a data center (and a second data center). I was used to the ol data centers - you know, where there's raised floors, cabinets, cool air, a guard and a few guys around with some screens

Were A record domain names ever limited to 23 characters?

2011-09-30 Thread steve pirk [egrep]
I seem to recollect back the 1999 or 2000 times that I was unable to register a domain name that was 24 characters long. Shortly after that, I heard that the character limit had been increased to like 128 characters, and we were able to register the name. Can anyone offer some input, or is this a

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 05:35:52PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:14:39 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: > > > > Tell me how that flys with the customers in your household... > > > > They are freeloaders, not customers. If they -PAID- > > for serv

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:14:39 -, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com said: > > Tell me how that flys with the customers in your household... > > They are freeloaders, not customers. If they -PAID- > for service, then it would be a different conversation. Time to cue up "Move it on over"

Re: FCC - with Klezmer backup

2011-09-30 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/30/2011 02:53 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > http://gcn.com/articles/2011/09/26/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-nov-20.aspx > > wondering who is going to publically announce any changes prior to the 20nov > date. > > Or is this a non-issue for the Internet as we know it? > > /bill >

Re: FCC - with Klezmer backup

2011-09-30 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 03:13:50PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:46 + > > From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > > To: nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: FCC - with Klezmer backup > > > > > > http://gcn.com/articles/2011/09/26/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-nov-20.aspx > >

RE: Environmental monitoring options

2011-09-30 Thread Frank Bulk
There's also DPS Telecom (http://www.dpstele.com). Frank -Original Message- From: eric clark [mailto:cabe...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:06 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Environmental monitoring options I'd like to ask the list what products people are using to monitor t

Re: FCC - with Klezmer backup

2011-09-30 Thread Robert Bonomi
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:46 + > From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: FCC - with Klezmer backup > > > http://gcn.com/articles/2011/09/26/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-nov-20.aspx > > wondering who is going to publically announce any changes prior to the > 20nov

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Nick Olsen
It's updates, I've got a 1511+ here and at the office. It phones home to check for updates. I noticed this the day I got it. Blocked the dst IP and that was the only thing that "broke". Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: "Pierre-Y

FCC - with Klezmer backup

2011-09-30 Thread bmanning
http://gcn.com/articles/2011/09/26/fcc-net-neutrality-rules-nov-20.aspx wondering who is going to publically announce any changes prior to the 20nov date. Or is this a non-issue for the Internet as we know it? /bill

Weekly Routing Table Report

2011-09-30 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Jeff Gehlbach
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/30/2011 09:50 AM, harbor235 wrote: > Soalrwinds, splunk, fwanalog, and others come to mind, any other good ones > out there? We've made some great strides in OpenNMS in the area of syslog event processing. The upcoming 1.10 release will be muc

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Ukpong Ukpong
Have you tried qradar? It's rather good On 30 Sep 2011, at 19:21, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > On 2011-09-30, at 2:13 PM, Brandon Kim wrote: > >> I've been happy with my basic ManageEngine's syslog, but I may be looking at >> Solarwinds too... > > I've just installed the Splunk eval myself, but I'm

RE: events

2011-09-30 Thread Stephens, Josh
I'm obviously biased as I'm the Head Geek here at SolarWinds but if you need any help or guidance with our products feel free to ping me off list. Josh -Original Message- From: Brandon Kim [mailto:brandon@brandontek.com] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:14 PM To: mlof...@wgops.com

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/30/2011 06:13, Jay Ashworth wrote: > "not everyone's a geek" Right! Doug (wait, what?!?) -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right p

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Jason Lixfeld
On 2011-09-30, at 2:13 PM, Brandon Kim wrote: > I've been happy with my basic ManageEngine's syslog, but I may be looking at > Solarwinds too... I've just installed the Splunk eval myself, but I'm curious about your ManageEngine experiences. I don't have any interest in using ManageEngine as

RE: events

2011-09-30 Thread Brandon Kim
Thank you! That's a bummer about the way they license their product. All it takes is another "splunk" company to come out with something just as competitive I've been happy with my basic ManageEngine's syslog, but I may be looking at Solarwinds too... > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:36:58 -

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Michael Loftis
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Brandon Kim wrote: > > Is it really that expensive, and WORTH the expense? IMO, from price quotes I've gotten in the past, it's astronomically expensive. As for worth it...depends. If you're dealing with events for say payment processing systems, it might be.

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Rafael Rodriguez
Use Splunk here. Cheers, RR On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM, harbor235 wrote: > What is everyone using to collect, alert, and analyze syslog data? > I am looking for something that can generate reports as well as support > multiple vendors. We have done some home grown stuff in the past but > w

RE: events

2011-09-30 Thread Brandon Kim
Is it really that expensive, and WORTH the expense? > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:37:22 -0600 > Subject: Re: events > From: pfu...@gmail.com > To: harbor...@gmail.com > CC: nanog@nanog.org > > We use splunk works ok except with the amount of text data you can > process with it (depends on licen

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 30/09/2011 17:30, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> traceroute is really an example of 'packet expired, send >> unreachable'... that, today is basically: >>   o grab 64bytes of header (or something similar) >>   o shove that in a payload >>  

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 30/09/2011 17:30, Christopher Morrow wrote: > traceroute is really an example of 'packet expired, send > unreachable'... that, today is basically: > o grab 64bytes of header (or something similar) > o shove that in a payload > o use the src as the dst > o stick my src on > o set icmp >

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Beavis
We use splunk works ok except with the amount of text data you can process with it (depends on license). -B On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:50 AM, harbor235 wrote: > What is everyone using to collect, alert, and analyze syslog data? > I am looking for something that can generate reports as well as sup

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Of course, if you wanted a 10g capable service provider router and didn't > want an asr9k, they were pushing the 7600 because the 6500 is a switch and > the 7600 is a router and the two are totally different, no really you've > gotta believe

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 30/09/2011 15:45, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> traceroute could certainly be handled in the fastpath. > > which traceroute?  icmp?  udp?  tcp?  Traceroute is not a single protocol. > traceroute is really an example of 'packet expired, se

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 30/09/2011 16:38, Mohacsi Janos wrote: > They are pushing sup2T - however more for enterprise ip layer (6500 series). they are now, yes. But until the sup2t started becoming available a couple of weeks ago the only option for the 6500 was a sup720. You're right that this was only pushed on th

RE: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Vinny_Abello
Path MTU discovery would also break... oh wait, that's usually broken anyway. -Vinny -Original Message- From: Saku Ytti [mailto:s...@ytti.fi] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:27 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header On (20

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 30/09/2011 15:45, Christopher Morrow wrote: traceroute could certainly be handled in the fastpath. which traceroute? icmp? udp? tcp? Traceroute is not a single protocol. what is that limit? from a single port? from a single linecard? from

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 30/09/2011 15:45, Christopher Morrow wrote: > traceroute could certainly be handled in the fastpath. which traceroute? icmp? udp? tcp? Traceroute is not a single protocol. > what is that limit? from a single port? from a single linecard? from a > chassis? how about we remove complexity her

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 10:45 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: > after this long, yes... this is just dumb, there's no reason that the > default should be punt. There are cases (you've brought up a few) > where it's required today because of design limitations, there really > shouldn't be cases like this

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > explained. And probably issues I'm not aware of. Unsure if blind forwarding is > best option. But I'm all for giving operator options, but calling it stupid > that vendors punt something is misguided. after this long, yes... this is just dumb,

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 01:56:42PM +, Blake T. Pfankuch wrote: > Personally I run 8 separate networks (some with multiple routed subnets). > Wireless data, management network, voice networks, game consoles, storage, > internal servers, DMZ servers and Project network.

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 10:09 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: > a switch to be used that stops processing this sort of thing, in an > internet core (and honestly most enterprise core) routers, all I want > is packet-in/packet-out. there's no need for anything else, stop > trying to send line-rate packets

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2011-09-30 01:55 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> when will vendors learn that punting to the RE/RP/smarts for packets >> in the fastpath is ... not just 'unwise' but wholesale stupid? :( > > What to do with IP options or IPv6 hop-by-ho

RE: events

2011-09-30 Thread Brandon Kim
I've been testing ManageEngines Syslog application. It works pretty good so far, I haven't really hammered it with a lot of devices. Splunk is suppose to be king of the hill I hear, but so is their pricing. > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:50:29 -0400 > Subject: events > From: harbor...@gma

RE: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Blake T. Pfankuch
The easy way around the unhappy significant other/minion shaped offspring solution is to put all of the "end user" devices On a separate VLAN, and then treat that as an open DMZ. Then everything operational (ironic in a home) on your secured production network (restrict all outbound/inbound exc

Re: events

2011-09-30 Thread Harry Hoffman
It's a bit old but still works well. Russel Fulton and I worked on this when I was down in NZ. You still need to run syslog-ng but this allows you to ignore, warn, alert on logs via regex. http://www.ip-solutions.net/syslog-ng/ Cheers, Harry On 09/30/2011 09:50 AM, harbor235 wrote: Wha

events

2011-09-30 Thread harbor235
What is everyone using to collect, alert, and analyze syslog data? I am looking for something that can generate reports as well as support multiple vendors. We have done some home grown stuff in the past but would be interested in something that incorprates all the best features. Soalrwinds, splu

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com > > Tell me how that flys with the customers in your household... > > They are freeloaders, not customers. If they -PAID- > for service, then it would be a different conversation. I'm pretty sure that was a "wife approval factor"

Re: Facebook insecure by design

2011-09-30 Thread Ben Carleton
Actually, the reason for what happened in your example is that Cee Lo's page has what is **technically** an app (called I Want You, as seen in the sidebar under his profile photo) set as the default screen for when you view his page. The app (that does admittedly looks like it could be an offic

Re: Synology Disk DS211J

2011-09-30 Thread Pierre-Yves Maunier
2011/9/29 Jones, Barry > Hey all. > A little off topic, but wanted to share... I purchased a home storage > Synology DS1511+. After configuring it on the home net, I did some captures > to look at the protocols, and noticed that the DS1511+ is making outgoing > connections to 59.124.41.242 (www)

RE: Mails to Google being blocked for illegal attachments

2011-09-30 Thread Leigh Porter
is > wrong. Has anyone experienced this issue, or has any helpful contact > information to Google? I have checked > http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/static.py?page=contacting_support.h > t > ml and called these numbers, but they were not able to help me. > > Regards, >

Re: Mails to Google being blocked for illegal attachments

2011-09-30 Thread Meftah Tayeb
ecked http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/static.py?page=contacting_support.ht ml and called these numbers, but they were not able to help me. Regards, Jörgen Nilsson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6505 (20110930) __ The message was check

Re: Mails to Google being blocked for illegal attachments

2011-09-30 Thread Alex Brooks
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:19 PM, foks wrote: > > Hello, > > Since Sep 7 Google has bounced a specific type of our mails with this > message: > > host aspmx.l.google.com[74.125.43.27] said: 552-5.7.0 Our system > detected an illegal attachment on your message. Please 552-5.7.0 visit > http://mail.

Mails to Google being blocked for illegal attachments

2011-09-30 Thread foks
Hello, Since Sep 7 Google has bounced a specific type of our mails with this message: host aspmx.l.google.com[74.125.43.27] said: 552-5.7.0 Our system detected an illegal attachment on your message. Please 552-5.7.0 visit http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6590 to 552 5.7.0 revie

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 01:55 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: > when will vendors learn that punting to the RE/RP/smarts for packets > in the fastpath is ... not just 'unwise' but wholesale stupid? :( What to do with IP options or IPv6 hop-by-hop options? What to do with IPv6 packets which contain opti

Facebook insecure by design

2011-09-30 Thread William Allen Simpson
In accord with the recent thread, "facebook spying on us?" We should also worry about other spying on us. Without some sort of rudimentary security, all that personally identifiable information is exposed on our ISP networks, over WiFi, etc. Facebook claims to be able to run over TLS connection