Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-14 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-14 22:04, Alastair Johnson wrote: Mark Foster wrote: What about developing nations where Internet isn't yet as commonplace as it is in the 'west' ? They skip dialup. dial modems are the end game for a 140 year old technology (300-3400hz pots lines). There is literally no reaso

Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-14 Thread Alastair Johnson
Mark Foster wrote: Thus the wider concern I flagged; if the only source for equipment and spares is the grey market, aren't the vendors missing the boat on something which shouldn't even have a major overhead to maintain? There is no sales of new chassis, which means the manufacturing is shut

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > So my question still stands: is anyone aware of a reasonable tunneled ipv6 > transit service (I mean aside from HE tunnel broker)? The load will be really > light. I don't expect we'll break a few Mbit/s in the nearest future and when >

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > > Just an observation, but I'm fairly sure that I'm not the only one who feels > that those with rather high budgets tend to forget that not everyone has the > luxury of a virtual blank check. > awesome, take an old 2800 or 2500, plug in

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Michael Ulitskiy
Guys, I've started this thread looking for advice on available options. There's no doubt in my mind that native connectivity is better than tunnels, but unfortunately tunnel is the only way to get me started, 'cause my upstream does not support ipv6 (hopefully just yet) and I have no budget for

Re: Stand alone voltage/etc monitoring?

2010-05-14 Thread Jake Khuon
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 17:57 -0700, Michael J McCafferty wrote: > I see there are probably some small UPSes ($400 or so) > that can report this info. Seems silly to buy UPSes to get that info. > > Is there a quick/small/handy/better way to get power quality info? If > so, what is it? I don't

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 5/14/10 2:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: Being that there's issues that leave us unable to get native connectivity, we have a BGP tunnel thanks to HE (with a 20ms latency from Seattle to Freemont). You should be able to get native IPv6 in Seattle from a variety of providers. If you're not findi

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread bmanning
er... if I may - this whining about the evils of tunnels rings a bit hollow, esp for those who think that a VPN is the right thing to do. --bill On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:44:53AM +1000, Karl Auer wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:57 -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > Tunnels promote poo

Stand alone voltage/etc monitoring?

2010-05-14 Thread Michael J McCafferty
NANOG, How can I best monitor power quality (ie: voltage, etc) as a colo customer? We monitor temperature and humidity in multiple places on each floor we are on, network bandwidth/errors/latency/pps/link-state on every link, power used per circuit, tons of metrics on servers, but I can't s

Re: Contacts re email deliverability problem to tmomail.net?

2010-05-14 Thread Al Iverson
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Graham Freeman wrote: > Delivering SMS-to-SMS would be impractical and prohibitively expensive.  This > is for an iPhone messaging app that optionally delivers messages to SMS > recipients for free.  The business model depends on email-to-SMS gateways. I'm surp

Re: Contacts re email deliverability problem to tmomail.net?

2010-05-14 Thread Graham Freeman
On 14 May 10, at 17:23 , Jaren Angerbauer wrote: > I just tested, and was able to successfully send an email to my > Tmobile address [myphon...@tmomail.net. Are you getting bounces / > failures back that are of any use? Also FWIW (and sanity check) any > reason why your client wants to use emai

Re: Contacts re email deliverability problem to tmomail.net?

2010-05-14 Thread Jaren Angerbauer
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Graham Freeman wrote: > A client of mine is having trouble delivering (legitimate) email to > tmomail.net, and I'm having trouble finding the right contact. I just tested, and was able to successfully send an email to my Tmobile address [myphon...@tmomail.net. A

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/14/2010 19:00, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/14/2010 16:42, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: We had a lightning strike nearby yesterday that looks to have come inside our facility via a feeder circuit that goes outdoors underground to our facility's gate. >> >> Perhaps there was a "move"

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 16:42, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: >>> We had a lightning strike nearby yesterday that looks to have come >>> inside our facility via a feeder circuit that goes outdoors >>> underground to our facility's gate. > > Perhaps there was a "move" of the earth-level relative to the neutral line

Contacts re email deliverability problem to tmomail.net?

2010-05-14 Thread Graham Freeman
Hi, folks, A client of mine is having trouble delivering (legitimate) email to tmomail.net, and I'm having trouble finding the right contact. (e.g. postmaster bounced). I've verified the legitimate nature of the email (only user-initiated, and nothing more), the valid SPF, A, PTR, and MX rec

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Ingo Flaschberger
We had a lightning strike nearby yesterday that looks to have come inside our facility via a feeder circuit that goes outdoors underground to our facility's gate. Perhaps there was a "move" of the earth-level relative to the neutral line. I have no idea how neutral-line to earth potential is h

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 14, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > >> (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline >> quoting) >> >> >> Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen >> that are no-b

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 14, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: >> I said somewhere in here... wierd quoting happened. >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy >> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 dep

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On May 13, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Mark Mayfield wrote: About a month ago, we had a lightning strike near our main campus. We lost one POE Cisco 3560 completely (apparently blown power supply), and in a separate but nearby building, another 3560 lost the ability to deliver POE, but continued to

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 12:44, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: >>> I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 >>> plans/networks/customer ports enabled. >>> >>> I know that Comcast is doing their trials no

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:57 -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > Tunnels promote poor paths "promote"? Tunnel topology does not (necessarily) match the underlying topology, especially if you choose (or are forced to accept) a distant broker. But "promote"? > , they bring along LOTS of issues wrt PM

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Merike Kaeo
On May 14, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline quoting) Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen that are no-bullshit IPv6 native

The Cidr Report

2010-05-14 Thread cidr-report
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BGP Update Report

2010-05-14 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 06-May-10 -to- 13-May-10 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS982914118 1.5% 38.0 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 2 - AS45381

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Paul Timmins
GBLX was great with native IPv6 setup. VZB was nearly impossible to get them to set it up, and I'm tunneled to a router halfway across the country. The router I was going to had serious PMTU issues that they recently cleared up, so now it's working satisfactorily. -Paul Brielle Bruns wrote:

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Randy Bush
> 3) don't tunnel beyond your borders, really just don't > tunnels are bad, always. you are understaing your case. randy

Re: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Beecher said: > I'm presently doing some research into a SNMP-enabled device to monitor > a set of aux contacts on our transfer switch in order to be able to > monitor it's status (on generator or on commercial) from our monitoring > platform. I've seen a few interesting d

Re: nyc glass

2010-05-14 Thread Randy Bush
>> anyone have reccos for fiber >> from 60 hudson >> to 454 broadway > From a cursory look at POP and GIS data not covered by NDA, I'm not > finding any vendors currently built into 454 Broadway. later word from the customer is s/454/434/. g. randy

Re: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread nick hatch
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: > I'm presently doing some research into a SNMP-enabled device to monitor a > set of aux contacts on our transfer switch in order to be able to monitor > it's status (on generator or on commercial) from our monitoring platform. > I've seen a fe

RE: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread John Lee
IMHO, Long runs of UTP (unshielded twisted pair) make wonderful antenna systems for EMI and EMP which is why they are matched to differential drivers and receivers to reject as much common noise as they are designed to. Older and larger Ethernet interfaces have drivers separated from the logic

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 14, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > (Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline > quoting) > > > Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen > that are no-bullshit IPv6 native ready is Hurricane Electric. NTT is > sup

Re: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread Chris Burwell
I have used the APC Environmental Manager (EMU) to do this. In our case we ran a 4-pair line from the generator to the EMU. One pair was connected to the EMU so that we could monitor and alert on the run-cycles of the generator. Our transfer switch did not have these capabilities, but you could app

IPv6 eyeballs?

2010-05-14 Thread Vasil Kolev
Hi all, This seems like the proper time to ask, seeing how many people are there asking for IPv6 transit - does anyone have any kind of stats how many eyeballs are there that have IPv6, and are there any of them that have a better service over v6 that over v4 (my guess here is universities or othe

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Brielle Bruns
(Sent from my Blackberry, please avoid the flames as I can't do inline quoting) Native IPv6 is a crapshoot. About the only people in the US that I've seen that are no-bullshit IPv6 native ready is Hurricane Electric. NTT is supposedly as well but I can't speak as to where they have connectivi

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: >> I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 >> plans/networks/customer ports enabled. >> >> I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be >> presenting at the up

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 11:49, Jared Mauch wrote: > I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer > ports enabled. > > I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be > presenting at the upcoming NANOG about their experiences. > > What parts of the

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > I said somewhere in here... wierd quoting happened. > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We're in the early stage of planning ipv6 deployment - >> learning/labbing/experimenting/etc. We've got to the p

Re: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/14/2010 10:59, Tom Beecher wrote: > I'm presently doing some research into a SNMP-enabled device to monitor > a set of aux contacts on our transfer switch in order to be able to > monitor it's status (on generator or on commercial) from our monitoring > platform. I've seen a few interesting de

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jared Mauch
I'm curious what providers have not gotten their IPv6 plans/networks/customer ports enabled. I know that Comcast is doing their trials now (Thanks John!) and will be presenting at the upcoming NANOG about their experiences. What parts of the big "I" Internet are not enabled or ready? - Jared

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Jack Carrozzo
I agree - if you can get native v6 transit then more power to you. But tunnels are sure better than no IPv6 connectivity in my mind. Aside from slight performance/efficiency issues, I've never had an issue. -Jack Carrozzo On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > > > - Origina

RE: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread Wallace Keith
I've had good luck with devices from DPS; http://www.dpstele.com/ -Keith -Original Message- From: Tom Beecher [mailto:tbeec...@localnet.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 2:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay I'm presently doing some research int

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2010-05-14 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Morrow" To: "Michael Ulitskiy" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, 13 May, 2010 6:39:28 PM Subject: Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Michael Ulitskiy wrote: > Hello, > > We're in the early stage of plann

Weekly Routing Table Report

2010-05-14 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
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SNMP Monitoring of a Transfer Switch relay

2010-05-14 Thread Tom Beecher
I'm presently doing some research into a SNMP-enabled device to monitor a set of aux contacts on our transfer switch in order to be able to monitor it's status (on generator or on commercial) from our monitoring platform. I've seen a few interesting devices out there that can accomplish this, h

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 May 2010 11:36:35 am Caleb Tennis wrote: > I was just curious if anyone had seen anything similar to this before? Our > incoming electrical power has surge suppression, and the power to the > switches is all through double conversion UPS, so I'm not quite sure why > any of them woul

Illinois Tollway dark fiber

2010-05-14 Thread Brandon Galbraith
Has anyone had any experience working with the Illinois Tollway for dark fiber? Looking for good or bad experiences offline. Thanks! -brandon -- Brandon Galbraith Voice: 630.492.0464

Re: nyc glass

2010-05-14 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2010-05-14-03:59:33, Randy Bush wrote: > anyone have reccos for fiber > from 60 hudson > to 454 broadway >From a cursory look at POP and GIS data not covered by NDA, I'm not finding any vendors currently built into 454 Broadway. The usual suspects for dark in the area include AboveNet,

Re: BGP and convergence time

2010-05-14 Thread shake righa
Apologies, kindly ignore my earlier responce. Rgrds, Shake On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, shake righa wrote: > Believe have narrowed down problem to layer 2. > > A ping to address 224.0.0.5 shows no reply. > > Believe problme to do with blocking of multicast > > Regards, > Shake > > On Fri,

Re: BGP and convergence time

2010-05-14 Thread shake righa
Believe have narrowed down problem to layer 2. A ping to address 224.0.0.5 shows no reply. Believe problme to do with blocking of multicast Regards, Shake On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: > What about IP SLA with some EEM? This link may give you some ideas: > http://blog.io

Re: nyc glass

2010-05-14 Thread Joly MacFie
Surely 32 Ave of the Americas would be closer? j On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > anyone have reccos for fiber >  from 60 hudson >  to   454 broadway > > thanks > > randy > > -- --- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skyp

nyc glass

2010-05-14 Thread Randy Bush
anyone have reccos for fiber from 60 hudson to 454 broadway thanks randy