bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
sounds like domain tasting to me.
Oops! Oh yeah. Spammer gets an allocation...
"Well, if that netblock was clean before, it sure isn't now! May I
please have another?"
Lather, rinse, repeat.
--
Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@
sounds like domain tasting to me.
--bill
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 01:04:48AM -0400, Peter Beckman wrote:
> How about a trial period from ARIN? You get your IP block, and you get 30
> days to determine if it is "clean" or not. Do some testing, check the
> blacklists, do some magic to see if th
Peter Beckman wrote:
> How about a trial period from ARIN? You get your IP block, and you get 30
> days to determine if it is "clean" or not. Do some testing, check the
> blacklists, do some magic to see if there are network-specific blacklists
> that might prevent your customers from sending or
How about a trial period from ARIN? You get your IP block, and you get 30
days to determine if it is "clean" or not. Do some testing, check the
blacklists, do some magic to see if there are network-specific blacklists
that might prevent your customers from sending or receiving email/web/other
co
On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Benjamin Billon wrote:
You could get a China Telecom link in HK as well as many others: sit
astride the Great Firewall!
From a cost, operational, and routing perspective, the same would be
true if you got a CT link in Los Angeles or San Francisco.
Since CT and
Hi there,
I have gone through all normal channels to try to get through to
someone in Cable and Wireless Antigua (LIME). It seems difficult to
get a fast response through normal channels (it can take up to 48
hours some times to get a response to a "network down" situation).
Is there any senior a
On 08 Sep 2009, at 16:41, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
Anyone have news on this? I understand Colt has fixed London and are
working on Dublin, Bruxelles and Geneva... but that's all I have.
The only "interesting" news and comments I found about this outage
were on TheRegister.co.uk websi
O'Reirdan, Michael wrote:
MAAWG is has no size limitations as to members. Yes we do have a $4000
supporter membership. This has not proved a barrier to many organisations.
Likely because for the ones for whom it is a barrier, they look at the
cost and don't even bother considering an initial
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On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:57 PM, M
MAAWG is has no size limitations as to members. Yes we do have a $4000
supporter membership. This has not proved a barrier to many organisations.
Mike O'Reirdan
Chairman, MAAWG
- Original Message -
From: Benjamin Billon
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tue Sep 08 17:17:58 2009
Subject: Re:
You could get a China Telecom link in HK as well as many others: sit
astride the Great Firewall!
What is the Great Firewall relationship between Hong Kong and the
mainland PRC, as compared to the mainland PRC vs. the rest of the world?
ISPs can be invited and there are specific meetings for them (closed to
other members).
There're also whitepapers for ISP (and others).
But I agree, hoping ALL the ISPs join MAAWG or even hear about it is
utopian.
--
Benjamin
William Astle a écrit :
J.D. Falk wrote:
Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jay Hennigan wrote:
By the way, among the members...
Experian CheetahMail
ExactTarget, Inc
Responsys, Inc.
Vertical Response, Inc
Yesmail
Have you been reading from my blacklist again, Jay?
Justin
I am amazed with the amount of thoughtful comments I have seen, both on and off
list. It really illustrates that people are willing to try to help out, but
there is an overall lack of clear direction on how to improve things. Most of
us seem to adopt that which has always just worked for us. Do
sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
Rod Beck wrote:
What is EAPS?
A joke of a "standard" and something to be avoided at all costs. I
would echo the last part about Extreme switches too.
Disagree. I don't believe anybody would claim EAPS is a "standard"
just because an RFC has been published.
Pannawa
J.D. Falk wrote:
Seth Mattinen wrote:
I was always under the impression that smaller orgs were not allowed to
join the MAAWG club.
I've heard that, too, but have no idea where it comes from. It's not
true; there's no size requirement or anything like that.
http://www.maawg.org/ has the me
Seth Mattinen wrote:
I was always under the impression that smaller orgs were not allowed to
join the MAAWG club.
I've heard that, too, but have no idea where it comes from. It's not true;
there's no size requirement or anything like that.
http://www.maawg.org/ has the membership applicati
Joe Greco wrote:
I'm sorry, I agree that there's a problem, but this just sounds like it
isn't feasible.
Some people suffer from the culturally ingrained inability to understand
that certain kinds of problems just can't. Be. Solved.
And/or they aren't worth solving under present circumsta
Joe Greco wrote:
there is a fundamental disconnect here. the IP space is neutral.
it has no bias toward or against social behaviours. its a tool.
the actual/real target here are the people who are using these tools
to be antisocial. blacklisting IP space is always reactive and
should only beu
ad to trim the
block list considerably because many of my older PEs couldn't handle
that many routes without problems. I already named each static with a
reason for the block(SSH, Telnet, Proxy-scan, etc) but ended up
prepending a date to that string as well: 20090908-SSH-Scan. That way
I
Hello:
Thank you to everyone that provided off-list recommendations. I've
compiled the list of providers in no particular order.
Regards,
Mike
Latin America
- Securehost - http://www.securehost.com
- Triara (Telmex) - http://www.triara.com/Datacenter.htm
- KIO Networks
- Xertix
- Hortolandia
> John Curran wrote:
> > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, JC Dill wrote:
> >
> > > It seems simple and obvious that ARIN, RIPE, et. al. should
> > > determine the blacklist state of a reclaimed IP group and ensure
> > > that the IP group is usable before re-allocating it.
> > >
> > > When IPs are recla
Jason Bertoch wrote:
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
That said most of the larger players already attend MAAWG - that
leaves rural ISPs, small universities, corporate mailservers etc etc
that dont have full time postmasters, and where you're more likely to
run into this issue.
I've found the op
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 02:34:10PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> > there is a fundamental disconnect here. the IP space is neutral.
> > it has no bias toward or against social behaviours. its a tool.
> > the actual/real target here are the people who are using these tools
> > to be antisocial. black
> there is a fundamental disconnect here. the IP space is neutral.
> it has no bias toward or against social behaviours. its a tool.
> the actual/real target here are the people who are using these tools
> to be antisocial. blacklisting IP space is always reactive and
> should only beused in em
John Curran wrote:
On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, JC Dill wrote:
> It seems simple and obvious that ARIN, RIPE, et. al. should
> determine the blacklist state of a reclaimed IP group and ensure
> that the IP group is usable before re-allocating it.
>
> When IPs are reclaimed, first check to see if
there is a fundamental disconnect here. the IP space is neutral.
it has no bias toward or against social behaviours. its a tool.
the actual/real target here are the people who are using these tools
to be antisocial. blacklisting IP space is always reactive and
should only beused in emergency a
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Joe Greco wrote:
> > It seems like it *could* be useful to have a system to notify of network
> > delegation changes, but it also seems like if this was particularly
> > important to anyone, then someone would have found a trivial way to
> > implement at least a poor man's ver
Seth Mattinen wrote:
I was always under the impression that smaller orgs were not allowed to
join the MAAWG club.
They're allowed. At $4k/year minimum, up to $25K/year.
By the way, among the members...
Experian CheetahMail
ExactTarget, Inc
Responsys, Inc.
Vertical Response, Inc
Yesmail
-
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote:
This is not actually a new problem. ISPs have been fighting this for
some time. When a dud customer spams from a given IP range and gets it
placed in various RBLs, when that customer is booted or otherwise
removed, that block will probably get reissue
> Rod Beck wrote:
> > What is EAPS?
>
> A joke of a "standard" and something to be avoided at all costs. I
> would echo the last part about Extreme switches too.
Disagree. I don't believe anybody would claim EAPS is a "standard"
just because an RFC has been published. In any case, EAPS is worki
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Joe Greco wrote:
It seems like it *could* be useful to have a system to notify of network
delegation changes, but it also seems like if this was particularly
important to anyone, then someone would have found a trivial way to
implement at least a poor man's version of it. Fo
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, John Curran wrote:
> > I'm sure there's an excellent reason why these addresses stay
> > blocked, but am unable to fathom what exactly that is...
> > Could some folks from the appropriate networks explain why
> > this is such a problem and/or suggest additional steps t
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 10:16:33AM -0500, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
> Tom Pipes wrote:
> >Greetings,
> >
> >
> >We obtained a direct assigned IP block 69.197.64.0/18 from ARIN in 2008.
> >This block has been cursed (for lack of a better word) since we obtained
> >it. It seems like every customer we
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:43:39 EDT, John Curran said:
>I'm sure there's an excellent reason why these addresses stay
>blocked, but am unable to fathom what exactly that is...
If I'm a smaller shop with limited clue, there's 3 likely colloraries:
1) Even a smallish spam blast is big enough t
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
John Curran wrote:
I'm sure there's an excellent reason why these addresses stay
blocked, but am unable to fathom what exactly that is...
Could some folks from the appropriate networks explain why
this is such a problem and/or suggest a
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, John Curran wrote:
I'm sure there's an excellent reason why these addresses stay
blocked, but am unable to fathom what exactly that is...
Could some folks from the appropriate networks explain why
this is such a problem and/or suggest additional steps that
ARIN or t
John Curran wrote:
Folks -
It appears that we have a real operational problem, in that ARIN
does indeed reissue space that has been reclaimed/returned after
a hold-down period, and but it appears that even once they are
removed from the actual source RBL's, there are still ISP's who
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> John, its about the same situation you get when people use manually
> updated bogon filters.
>
> A much larger problem, I must admit .. having ISPs follow the maawg
> best practices might help, that - and attending MAAWG sessions
> (www.maawg.org -> Published Docum
On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
Shane Ronan wrote:
I'd recommend Equinix which has a site in Hong Kong which I would
recommend over mainland China.
http://www.equinix.com/locations/map/asiapacific/hongkong/
What is the Great Firewall relationship between Hong Kong and th
MAAWG's changing that - and most of the large ISPs are maawg members.
Things can get better, sure ...
--srs
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Jason Bertoch wrote:
> Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>
>> That said most of the larger players already attend MAAWG - that
>> leaves rural ISPs, small univ
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
That said most of the larger players already attend MAAWG - that
leaves rural ISPs, small universities, corporate mailservers etc etc
that dont have full time postmasters, and where you're more likely to
run into this issue.
I've found the opposite to hold true mo
John, its about the same situation you get when people use manually
updated bogon filters.
A much larger problem, I must admit .. having ISPs follow the maawg
best practices might help, that - and attending MAAWG sessions
(www.maawg.org -> Published Documents)
That said most of the larger player
Folks -
It appears that we have a real operational problem, in that ARIN
does indeed reissue space that has been reclaimed/returned after
a hold-down period, and but it appears that even once they are
removed from the actual source RBL's, there are still ISP's who
are manually updat
Shane Ronan wrote:
I'd recommend Equinix which has a site in Hong Kong which I would
recommend over mainland China.
http://www.equinix.com/locations/map/asiapacific/hongkong/
What is the Great Firewall relationship between Hong Kong and the
mainland PRC, as compared to the mainland PRC vs.
I'd recommend Equinix which has a site in Hong Kong which I would
recommend over mainland China.
http://www.equinix.com/locations/map/asiapacific/hongkong/
Shane
On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Benjamin Billon wrote:
For Asia, I'd say Hong Kong (and personnaly Mega iAdvantage).
Could be inte
For Asia, I'd say Hong Kong (and personnaly Mega iAdvantage).
Could be interesting thoughts on this previous thread:
http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2009-July/012161.html
Mainland China may be fine for very special needs, but I'd advise to go
to HK 95% of the time.
Michael K. Smith
Sorry to respond to my own message! Given the replies so far I think I
should expand China to include Hong Kong.
Regards,
Mike
--
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Hello Everyone:
Does anyone have any recommendations for data centers in China (PRC) and
Latin America? The Latin America site doesn't have to be in any
particular country within the region, although facilities with good
network connectivity are obviously preferred.
Regards,
Mike
--
Michael K.
Tom Pipes wrote:
Greetings,
We obtained a direct assigned IP block 69.197.64.0/18 from ARIN in 2008. This block
has been cursed (for lack of a better word) since we obtained it. It seems like
every customer we have added has had repeated issues with being blacklisted by DUL
and the cable c
Greetings,
We obtained a direct assigned IP block 69.197.64.0/18 from ARIN in 2008. This
block has been cursed (for lack of a better word) since we obtained it. It
seems like every customer we have added has had repeated issues with being
blacklisted by DUL and the cable carriers. (AOL, AT&T
Anyone have news on this? I understand Colt has fixed London and are
working on Dublin, Bruxelles and Geneva... but that's all I have.
Folks,
Just a brief reminder of upcoming dates of interest
- The NANOG PC will be posting an updated agenda for
NANOG 47 after our 09/08/2009 call
- The registration fee for NANOG 47 increases to US$525
on 09/14/2009
- Nomina
Since it was brought up - curious as we were recently approached by
Extreme. Good/bad experiences? We're a Cisco shop and I plan to keep
us that way but some "powers to be" are interested in them at this
point..
Thanks,
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Justin Shore [mailto:jus...@justins
Rod Beck wrote:
What is EAPS?
A joke of a "standard" and something to be avoided at all costs. I
would echo the last part about Extreme switches too.
Justin
It appears that AT&T started announcing a block of a former customer
that we had reclaimed. AT&T contacted me offline and let me know that
the issue was resolved.
Brian Raaen wrote:
> I have sent a complaint to the AT&T abuse contact from my ARIN contact
> address asking them to stop announcing t
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