Re: Narcicism?

I wonder how much c++ the Russian programmer from Goldman is doing these days?! On Dec 2, 2011 4:35 PM, "Tekk" wrote: > It's that way in the US too, afaict(C is 'deprecated') > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, David Riley >> wrote: >> >>> one ha

Re: Easy way to follow -current, a write-up

On 4/12/2011, at 8:36 AM, Marc Espie wrote: > On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 08:01:43PM +0100, Sime Ramov wrote: >> I just wrote this document outlining the steps I do to keep up >> with -current: >> >> >> >> Hope someone finds it useful. > > Bad advice. As di

Re: roundcubemail packet

On 5/12/2011, at 9:03 PM, Wesley M. wrote: > Hi, > > I have the following error : > > Check DB config > DSN (write): NOT OK(MDB2 Error: connect failed) > Make sure that the configured database exists and that the user has write > privileges > DSN: mysql://roundcube:pass@localhost/roundcubemail

Re: Failed to setup fvwm for antialiased Xft fonts

On 9/12/2011, at 7:27 PM, Tekk wrote: > iirc the binary packages are audited, ports are not > Guys, they put so much effort into the docs & FAQ - read them. The recommendation is to use the binary packages unless you know you are doing. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html#Intro The packages

Re: Failed to setup fvwm for antialiased Xft fonts

On 10/12/2011, at 5:18 AM, Neoklis Kyriazis wrote: > - Original Message - > From: Richard Toohey > > To: Tekk > Cc: Neoklis > Kyriazis ; OpenBSD > Sent: Friday, December > 9, 2011 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: Failed to setup fvwm for antialiased Xft fonts >

Re: What generates the OpenBSD page?

On 10/12/2011, at 3:02 PM, John Tate wrote: > I am wondering what software if any generates the OpenBSD and similar > websites. It appears to be a static page generated by some software, that > software doesn't seem to be mentioned. What is it? Or is it just hand made? > You might find some answ

Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

Try www.tekmote.nl Richard On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > The prices at the "official European shop" in the Netherlands are sky high. > I thought this was supposed to be a 150 dollar PC. Does anybody have a good > cheap source for these or other MIPS boxes? Thanks.

Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

Fritz Wuehler wrote: diana Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob? You're not good for anything else so let's see how you are at that. Am I missing something here? fucking(blowjob(*p)) ?

Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0

I upgraded my sun blade 100 from 4.9 to 5.0; no issues but, it appears that the packages in 4.9 are not always upgradeable to those in 5.0 and most packages in 5.0 fail to install due to library dependencies. one would assume all 5.0 packages are created using the dev tools from 5.0 but this does

Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0

aniel Bolgheroni" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 01:02:59PM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote: > > it appears > > that the packages in 4.9 are not always upgradeable to those in 5.0 and > > most packages in 5.0 fail to install due to library dependencies. > > What? &

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

I used the advice from the blog called gab software. Perhaps he was wrong. I am willing to reinstall. I have no personal data to lose on this old box. Nick Holland wrote: >On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton wrote: >>> Do

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

most netbooks with Intel Atom retail in the $250 to $400 range; what's your damage? On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) < mixmas...@remailer.privacy.at> wrote: > > i saw them on face book and amazon also 250 & 500 us dollars > > Like Kurt Russell said, "That's TOO FUCKI

Re: I want buy labtop ,work OpenBSD, wireless network must work

buy an i3 instead, but what is the deign flaw which cannot be fixed via microcode updates? On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:16 PM, STeve Andre' wrote: > On 12/30/11 21:23, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:42:43 -0500 >> "STeve Andre'" wrote: >> >> It's not the newest model, but the W

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

What is the point of this thread? Huh? MIPS licenses the technology to a Chinese fabricator; They make the chips and they are used in a very open source netbook which Lemote happens to sell.; Stallman himself uses one. >From his perspective, from an article I read, he stated he uses one because

Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?

You need some fucking valium. On Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM, "Nomen Nescio" wrote: > > 1) you have no idea what it costs them to make one > > And you do, right? > > > 2) pure production cost isn't the entire picture > > Why not? They're using their own chip design. I doubt they pay MIPS.inc for > a lic

Re: Where do I buy Lemote Loongson/Godson MIPS hardware? (was Re: Longsoon/Godson MIPS boxes, where to buy?)

they seem to be well made but debian linux is unstable. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > It anyone wants to go right to Lemote and start selling on Amazon or > direct in your area, they were priced at $280/ea in 10 qty about 2 years > ago. > So they're probably much cheap

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

, but it needs it I am sure to install the package. I used the vanillia CD straight off the openbsd website for sparc64. Not sure what your suggestions will be, but this is not what the docs claim will be the case. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Richard Thornton < thornton.rich...@gmail.

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

keeps looking for library c.60.1 which does not exist in a vanilla 5.0 install. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Nick Holland wrote: > On 12/19/11 14:39, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2011-12-19, Richard Thornton wrote: > >> Do a simple clean 5.0 install. One would

Re: claimed 5.0 problems on sparc64 (was Re: Upgrading AMD64 4.9-stable to 5.0)

lack of info they mean you aren't providing near enough to come to > any conclusion at all. > > Please paste the output from the following: > > dmesg, echo $PKG_PATH, pkg_info, pkg_add -i gnome-session > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Richard Thornton &

Re: error report when installing gnome on openbsd 5.0

On 19/01/2012, at 8:15 PM, lbvvbooo lbvvbooo wrote: > After a 2nd thought, I don't think it's caused by packages of different versions in one folder, because the error are all tracked and rooted to one error: can't install gnugetopt: library c.51.0 not found; library intl.4.0 not found. It seems a

Re: error report when installing gnome on openbsd 5.0

so PKG_PATH = ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.0/packages/sparc64/ export PKG_PATH will that AUTOMATICALLY use correct psackages for sparc64 on a CLEAN (from the CDROM 11/2011) 5.0 install On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2012/01/19 10:09, lbvvbooo lbvvb

OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

Is this the most recent current version for sparc64 and does this imply that I have the true "current" kernel running, thus my PKG_PATH should be set to pull for the "current" set of packages?

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

Eureka! You were right, I was using the *wrong* 5.0 release.. Richard On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:50:08AM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote: > > > Is this the most recent current version for sparc64 and does this imply > &g

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

precious inbox. Nick Holland wrote: >On 01/20/12 13:43, Richard Thornton wrote: >> Eureka! You were right, I was using the *wrong* 5.0 release.. > >You keep using words...that do not mean what you think they mean. > >PLEASE read and understand FAQ5.1. Its really, really important. > >Nick.

Re: OpenBSD 5.0-current (GENERIC) #65: Thu Nov 3 00:58:36 MDT 2011

ho asked the "stupid" question is judged accordingly. One is either "lazy" or "can't read", or "too stupid" to read the very "well written FAQS", etc.. Whatever, so you guys have a great OS for yourselves. Excellent. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 a

sparc64 5.0

Now that I have it setup with the correct package path, etc, I am finding out 5.0 is much better than 4.9 was; Someone recently told me that Solaris uses SMI labels on its disks, is this the same with OpenBSD? RT

Re: sparc64/164226: Data corruption on 9.0-RELEASE when reading from CDROM

I have no idea what that even is. On Jan 27, 2012 4:56 PM, "Marius Strobl" wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 04:52:33PM -0500, Richard Thornton wrote: > > Openbsd sparc64 installs flawlessly > > > > Does it also use ATA_CAM? > > Marius

Re: FR: Make it possible to turn off untrusted users ability to read cmdline arguments of processes they don't own

On 2/02/2012, at 12:30 PM, Paul Dejean wrote: > Even though it's bad practice, a lot of commonly programs will request > passwords or similar sensitive information as command line arguments. > For instance, curl, svn, useradd... There will usually be a way to > work around doing things this way (c

Re: What's the location trash after "move to trash"

On 2/02/2012, at 6:05 PM, lbvvbooo lbvvbooo wrote: > I checked folder ~/.local/share/Trash/files/, and test it again, still can't find the deleted files. The trash icon does NOT show them either. > > Anybody help? > If you know one of the file names or part of one of the filenames - use find. >

adding icewm

How do I add this window manager? RT

Compiling R from source

Using OpenBSD 5 on an old sparc 64 sun blade, I am trying to compile R from source, downloaded from the cran-r website; The ./configure works, but make always fails. I realize that there is a R package available already but it is a 2008 version, and it has terrible graphics, anyone have a more rec

Re: Compiling R from source

Thats a great tip. Thanks. On Feb 8, 2012 5:32 AM, "Zi Loff" wrote: > Just in case Richard Thornton is still listening, on OpenBSD 5.0 (i386) > I managed to compile R properly using the aforementioned patch to the > tre sources and passing '--with-cairo=no' as confi

Re: CVS checkout for OPENBSD_5_0 : aborted

On 14/02/2012, at 5:01 PM, Giridhari wrote: > HELO > > have tried a cvs checkout of OPENBSD_5_0 several times in the last week or two > and have seen cvs abort: > > > > cvs checkout: Updating src/games/snake > cvs [chckout aborted]: could not chdir to src/games/snake/snake : Not a > directory > >

Re: CVS checkout for OPENBSD_5_0 : aborted

rd to help you. > > -Original Message- From: Richard Toohey > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:15 PM > To: Giridhari > Cc: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: CVS checkout for OPENBSD_5_0 : aborted > > On 14/02/2012, at 5:01 PM, Giridhari wrote: > >> HELO >> &g

Re: Hidden Long Filenames and mount_cd9660

Why not find a Windows box to dump the data to a Linux server? Problem solved. On Feb 19, 2012 8:54 AM, "Nick Guenther" wrote: > Hiya misc@, > > Upfront: if you have something useful to say, CC me, please. I haven't > been on this list in a while, managing to solve my own shit before having > to

Re: ping from chrooted httpd fails

On 3/03/2012, at 9:38 PM, fRANz wrote: > Hi, > I tried to make ping working inside httpd chroot from php script. > Without chroot, ping works fine. > I don't know what I miss in this configuration: > > # uname -a > OpenBSD d7 5.0 GENERIC#59 i386 > > # cat /etc/rc.conf | grep httpd > # use -u to di

Re: My OpenBSD 5.0 installation experience (long rant)

Multi boot systems are definitely more risky to assemble; I prefer use of VM's instead. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Donald Allen wrote: > "While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears > at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is > tempted to think t

Re: PHP/HTTP config

On 20/03/2012, at 5:20 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > Howdy? > > I've recently lost my cache of misc mail Why not look in the archives, then? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&w=2 Not saying you'll find an answer to your questions in misc@, but it's there (and elsewhere on the net) T

Re: Latest ThinkPad model fully compatible with OpenBSD out of the box?

Thats an old box. On Saturday, March 24, 2012, Jeremy O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 09:12:11AM -0700, James Hozier wrote: >> What's the latest ThinkPad that OpenBSD can be installed on, and have everything functional without having to tweak any special settings within OpenBSD? >> > > I

Re: Does your USB keyboard Dot key on keypad fail? Was "Re: Shuttle XS35 v2 - One key going loco"

On 3/04/2012, at 3:35 PM, Opera wrote: > Hlo, > The reason for putting this on top is that I have data that are showing that I can not blame the Shuttle. > > Here is the brief infos- > > When using a USB keyboard [native USB or with an adaptor for ps2] the keypad Del key works perfectly but when N

Re: Problems starting mysql-server-5.1.62

On 12/04/2012, at 7:12 PM, Hasse Hansson wrote: > "Googling" the problem and the error messages didn't get me much further. > > I have to admit, this is a bit over my head. aka "I don't have a clue what > I'm doing" Why don't you go back a bit ... how did you install MySQL 5.1.62? How are you st

Areca ARC-1213-4i or ARC-1223-8i using arc(4) for hardware RAID?

more specific IOP3## RAID processors listed for the ARC-1231ML et al? Is there actually a significant difference there?) If you have experience with the ARC-1213 or 1223, what did you find? Thanks in advance. Richard

Re: Areca ARC-1213-4i or ARC-1223-8i using arc(4) for hardware RAID?

At 17:29 +0200 on 2012-04-14, Benny Lofgren wrote: > On 2012-04-12 22.23, Richard Johnson wrote: >> Is there any particular reason the ARC-1212-4i or ARC-1223-8i will not work >> with OpenBSD 5.1 and newer's arc(4) driver? (Will arc(4) deal with Areca's >> gene

MAXDSIZ 1GB memory limit for process

Is it possible to bypass this limit somehow? Do you plan to increase this limit?

Re: MAXDSIZ 1GB memory limit for process

On 10/22/07, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/21/07, Richard Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible to bypass this limit somehow? > > depends, but if it's easy to bypass a limit, it's not much of a limit. Is there possible workar

Re: MAXDSIZ 1GB memory limit for process

On 10/22/07, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/22/07, Richard Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there possible workarounds for my program to allocate more memory than > 1GB? > > you can mmap a large file with PROT_SHARED. this doesn't count

Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

My analogies usually go to custard, but I'll try this one. You are in charge of getting four ambassadors to a meeting. As well as making sure they are happy and fed, you are in charge of their security. All four are hated in their home countries and you know their are people wanting to kill the

Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

On 25/10/2007, at 8:28 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: My analogies usually go to custard, but I'll try this one. You are in charge of getting four ambassadors to a meeting. As well as making sure they are happy and fed, you are in charge of their security. All four are hated in their

Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..

On 25/10/2007, at 9:00 PM, Lars Noodin wrote: Richard Toohey wrote: My analogies usually go to custard, but I'll try this one. .. 1. One car per ambassador. ... With all four cars loaded onto a single car-carrier truck. -Lars Exactly! Have you made each of the ambassadors "m

Re: new dell install completed, but...

On 25/10/2007, at 4:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the response. I'll give that a read, and a try. where are you getting 4.2? the web site only shows 4.1 as being released. metajunkie 4.2 - order it online (they've been REALLY good this year - took less than 2 weeks from

Re: Problems booting 4.2 CD on two older machines.

On 29/10/2007, at 5:24 PM, Craig Findlay wrote: As other have already said, it seems to only be a problem with quite old PC's. At least mine is. (see dmesg below) Cheers, Craig OpenBSD 4.1 (GENERIC) #1435: Sat Mar 10 19:07:45 MST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GEN

Re: OpenBSD kernel janitors

Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: 2007/10/30, Miod Vallat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Is there a list similar to Linux kernel janitors also for OpenBSD? It's a list of tasks for which you don't have to be experienced in the particular OS internals to be able to complete them properly. No,

Re: Installation troubles

Asking the obvious questions to eliminate them first ... 1. Official CDs? 2. Can you read/copy the CD on *any* machines / *any* OS? 3. Specifically - if you FTP install OpenBSD , can you then mount / copy / do anything with the CD? 4. dmesg(s) Personal experience ... I have installed 3.8

Re: Bad MD5 of install42.iso

Todd C. Miller wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so spake =?ISO-8859-2?B?UHJ6ZW15c7NhdyBQYXdls2N6eWs=?= (pp): 1) MD5s for downloaded files md5sum install42.iso 03dc43a1d18d3003843a1f13b3861917 install42.iso 03dc43a1d18d3003843a1f13b3861917 is correct. The MD5 file has be

Re: Installation troubles

On 3/11/2007, at 9:59 AM, Chris Zakelj wrote: Kenneth R Westerback wrote: ASC/ASCQ 0x11/0x06 would appear to mean "CIRC Unrecovered Error". These values are listed in /usr/src/sys/scsi_base.c, line 1207 and following. The error text is left out of install kernels to save space. Kenneth obvi

Re: OpenBSD 4.2 hardware recommendation

So don't buy an over-the-top firewall ... and donate the difference to OpenBSD? 8-) On 3/11/2007, at 9:25 PM, VP wrote: If you can live w/o RAID, i recommend advantech.com or nexcom.com Network Security Appliance product lines. Appliance is not very good solution for us. We want buy one go

Re: library resolution in 4.1

On 30/10/2007, at 1:16 PM, David wrote: Hi all Set up fresh copy of 4.1 on my laptop, installed all the base tgz modules (including all X server stuff), set PKG_PATH to my local ftp mirror, and to get xfce, used the command: pkg_add -nv xfwm4 Even by looking in the dependency tree: Can't ins

Re: Thanks for the work on acpi!

# sysctl -a | grep hw hw.machine=amd64 hw.model=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz hw.ncpu=2 hw.byteorder=1234 hw.physmem=2114535424 hw.usermem=2114523136 hw.pagesize=4096 hw.disknames=cd0,wd0,vnd0 hw.diskcount=3 hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=54.00 degC hw.sensors.cpu1.temp0=54.00 degC hw.sensors.acpia

Re: Trouble ftp'ing out of network, already running ftpproxy for internal ftp server, need to ftp out

I've been having great fun with FTP - active and passive - and assumed it was the wrong port here or there or something strange in pf - my fault every time so far. Running with pf + ftp-proxy box, and proftpd or vsftpd on boxes behind that on two different networks, and then NAT clients on

Re: identifying sparse files and get ride of them trick available?

On 10/11/2007, at 10:05 AM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: stat -s gives the raw info in one go. Some shell script hacking should make it easy to detect sparse files. Thanks Otto for the suggestion. That might help until it can be address for good. It would help speed up some

Re: identifying sparse files and get ride of them trick available?

On 10/11/2007, at 9:11 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: (my $dev,my $ino,my $mode,my $nlink,my $uid,my $gid,my $rdev,my $size,my $atime,my $mtime,my $ctime,my $blksize,my $blocks) =sat($f); Oops - should end with: =stat($f); not =sat($f);

Re: identifying sparse files and get ride of them trick available?

On 10/11/2007, at 9:32 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: yeah, look at stat(2): int64_tst_blocks; /* blocks allocated for file */ u_int32_t st_blksize; /* optimal file sys I/O ops blocksize */ actually st_blocks's unit is disk sectors, to be precise. I don't read perl, so I cannot comment on t

MacBook remote control

Hello! I have macbook: hw.model=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz hw.vendor=Apple Inc. hw.product=MacBook2,1 hw.version=1.0 On http://wiki.freebsd.org/AppleMacbook "IR receiver" section there is tool available at http://fnop.net/~rpaulo/priv/freebsd/aird.tgz. Here is patch that makes it comp

Re: MacBook remote control

On 11/12/07, Steven Mestdagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Storm [2007-11-11, 00:03:37]: > > Hello! > > I have macbook: > > hw.model=Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz > > hw.vendor=Apple Inc. > > hw.product=MacBook2,1 > > hw.version=1.0 &g

Hardware for PF - more general questions

I have been pondering for some time getting a new core router, and a recent question on HP Procurves vs Soekris boxes has kicked me into thought. I have some more general questions: I recall hearing tell (on here I think) that amd64 is a better arch for routing, because of better interrupt handlin

Re: Please send email directly to misc@openBSD.org (no cc please)

On 16/11/2007, at 7:20 PM, Weldon Goree wrote: If only there were mail clients that allowed one to filter on To: or Cc:... And automatically added dripping tags?

Re: restore hanging on an "unusual" file name

On 21/11/2007, at 12:08 PM, Jeff Ross wrote: Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, " 11609 restore RET write 27/0x1b 11609 restore CALL write(0x2,0x80147000,0x34) 11609 restore GIO fd 2 wrote 52 bytes "1834488 Document Scrap '\M-o\M^C\M^X Journal Entrie...'.shs " On a console (n

Re: restore hanging on an "unusual" file name

On 21/11/2007, at 10:48 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:20:39PM +1300, Richard Toohey wrote: On 21/11/2007, at 12:08 PM, Jeff Ross wrote: Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, " 11609 restore RET write 27/0x1b 11609 restore CALL write(0x2,0x80147000,0x34) 11609 re

Re: Traffic accounting software

NetOne - Doichin Dokov wrote: > Yuri Spirin P=P0P?P8Q
P0: >> I need following features: >> - counting all traffic going in/out ISP interface; >> - web interface/gui client; >> - reports by day/week/month/custom total traffic in/out; > These ones could be done with SNMP and Cacti - www.cacti.net > >

Re: restore hanging on an "unusual" file name

On 21/11/2007, at 10:48 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: I think dump should 'vis' the filenames it prints. -Otto I've been looking at this and have a small patch to restore/ interactive.c in the formatf() function. I have done what Otto said - vis()d the filenames (I have done so by l

Re: Resolving dependencies with pkg_add

On 29/11/2007, at 11:37 AM, Markus Lude wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:32:32PM +0100, Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote: Install xbase. Paste what you see if that's not it. Ok Stuart. In fact I've not installed xbase because I've put the system on a USB stick and I wanted a very minimal set. ?

Re: restore hanging on an "unusual" file name

On 29/11/2007, at 9:21 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: On 21/11/2007, at 10:48 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: I think dump should 'vis' the filenames it prints. -Otto [cut] (Just done some more testing before posting and realized that I have only looked at verbose mode ls, so

Re: pflog filling up /var mount every 2-3 days!

On 1/12/2007, at 7:23 PM, Jake Conk wrote: Thanks guys for your replies... I'll try to cut down on the all the useless logging I'm doing but when I opened the log files up to see what was inside them I only saw all this binary stuff. I assume thats not what's supposed to be in the pflogs right?

Re: Compliments and Knob Question

On 5/12/2007, at 4:24 PM, L wrote: Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? [cut] it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. My understanding of knob is an option or a switch. I guess the meaning is like a music console - all those knobs you can tu

Re: Compliments and Knob Question

On 5/12/2007, at 7:09 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: On 5/12/2007, at 4:24 PM, L wrote: Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? [cut] it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. My understanding of knob is an option or a switch. I guess the meaning

Real men don't attack straw men

It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they construct views they would find outrageous, attribute them to me, and then try to blame me for them. For such purposes, knowledge of my actual views might be superfluous, even inconvenient. However, if anyone wants to know what I do

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

Why don't you ask Theo, whom you once praised, about OpenBSD? Because he tends to be unfriendly.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

Um, OpenBSD is the only common OS that is actively against blobs. See http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 We're on the same side here. That is good. (gNewSense and Ututo are also against blobs.) Sir, it was brought up that the [GNU/]linux distributions you do suggest do oft

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that ships with it is free or else it won't be distributed with it. Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too? There is not a single

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

Is the list at: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions the list of operating systems that meet your criteria? It appears that gNewSense includes LAME in binary format, and BLAG "recommends" it at https://wiki.blagblagblag.org/Lame in much the same way O

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

> I think it would be wrong for me to recommend it to others. Therefore, > if a collection of software contains (or suggests installation of) > some non-free program, I do not recommend it. The systems I recommend > are therefore those that do not contain (or suggest installation

Re: 4.2 i386 install fails on a HP Compaq dc7700

On 12/12/2007, at 8:38 PM, Ioan Nemes wrote: Greetings, Try to install OpenBSD 4.2 i386 on a new HP Compaq dc7700 Small Form Factor, but when it comes to install the software sets from the CD, the install fails: [cut] Which one contains the install media? (or `done`) [cd0] -

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

As a last question. Will gNewSense become "non-free" if I start a "ports-like" software install package project for it? If your install package has ports for non-free software, then it would promote non-free software. If it were included in or recommended by gNewSense, then gNewSense wou

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

So, an operating system can born "free" (free as in speech, in the GNU sense) and then, become "non-free" just because some users decided to create a way to ease installations of software that "just can't be shipped with the system"? You've formulated a very broad description, which

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

Well, it seems that we have the following pattern: - gNewSense, if someone finds a non-free program in it, that's no disaster - anything else, if someone finds a non free program in it, that's surely a disaster Please, sir, clarify The words I posted before ought to cla

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Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the conversation/technical details at hand, would be much more friendly.. even considering friendship wasn't the subject of discussion in the first place. Someone else attacked me on this list for not discussing this with Theo.

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In the end, the only way to prevent users from running non GPL software Is there anyone here who actually proposes to prevent users from running non-GPL-covered software? Not I. I frequently run OpenSSH, whose license is not the GNU GPL, and is incompatible with the GPL (if my memory ser

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few mentioned changes. Apples to apples comparisons I say. I adjust my repositories in a repository browser and poke away. I find java, I find tools to work with many non-free pieces of software as well. Could you explain what "I adjust my repositories in a repository browser" means, p

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Where is your line in the sand? When does an operating system become free by your interpretation? When non-free ports frameworks are hosted outside the official OpenBSD cvs repository? On a server not owned by the OpenBSD project? If they are published by someone else, and

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Interestingly enough, if you specified that as the reason you recommend against using OpenBSD, this thread would have been a lot shorter. Maybe it would have led to a shorter thread, but it would not have been accurate. My decision not to recommend OpenBSD was not based on personalities

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From license.txt in the unrar source archive: - The UnRAR sources may be used in any software to handle RAR archives without limitations free of charge, but cannot be used to re-create the RAR compression algorithm, which is proprietary. - UnRAR seems to be a rea

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If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads the book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect the citizenry? Absolutely not. A system distribution is mo

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; then it will accurately reflect what I said. Since The Free Software foundation mission is to "preserve, protect and promote the freedom to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer software" (free software), please, Richard, remove Linux from the Free Soft

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LAME is free software, but distributing it may be dangerous. I do not criticize those who distribute it. Meanwhile, the FSF support efforts to reject MP3 format and adopt OGG formats.

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his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a "social failure". If some people think that, they did not get it from me. I do not call BSD either of those things. I say that releasing free software under a non-copyleft free software license is basically good (i.e., not ev

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> However, if distribution D includes this "easier way to install" in > its ports system, by doing so distribution D endorses it and takes on > the ethical responsibility for it. Using the same argument I can say that gcc isn't ethical because it allows compilation of non-free

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gNewSense uses the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel facilitates utilization of non-free blobs. gNewSense does not include, or refer to, or tell people about the drivers that use non-free blobs. Torvalds's decision to put blobs into Linux was a bad one, but gNewSense is ok because it does no

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Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability for them. We give them enough information to make their informed decision. In my opinion, that's the ethical way to do things. In my opinion, we ought to take responsibility for the recommendations and assistanc

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So, it would seem that (barring human error) the primary philosophical difference between the packaging systems of OpenBSD and gNewSense is that gNewSense tries to prevent you from seeing any packages they consider non-Free, while OpenBSD directly provides only Free software

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As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying to police users by forbidding them to maintain and retrieve port metadata about unfree software via this adjunct service (that is not included in the OS) would be a restriction of the users' freedom. Obviously I

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