On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:30:58 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake
> has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their
> report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:58:48 +0800, "Koh Choon Lin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend?
Who cares. OpenBSD just doesn't like misinformation spread about it.
I have no connection to the OBSD project, but I hope it never has
anything t
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:46:43 -0700
L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Richard Stallman wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope that the other OpenBSD developers
> >> will repudiate such conduct.
>
> You said "the other openbsd developers".
>
> In this context, it implies that I am an OpenBSD developer. "The
> ot
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nicodache wrote:
> > I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay
> > calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap,
> > fucking duck with tape, shutting up things.
If if walks like a duck and t
Gregg Reynolds wrote:
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
nicodache wrote:
I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay
calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap,
fucking duck with tape, shutting up things.
I have never seen
On 1/7/08, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nicodache wrote:
> > I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay
> > calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap,
> > fucking duck with tape, shutting up things.
>
> I have never seen anyone o
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> >> I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site
> >> to be attacked.
>
> You responded:
>
> It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack.
>
> It was neither a recommenda
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
I wrote:
>> I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site
>> to be attacked.
You responded:
It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack.
It was neither a recommendation of OpenBSD no
Richard Stallman wrote:
I hope that the other OpenBSD developers
will repudiate such conduct.
You said "the other openbsd developers".
In this context, it implies that I am an OpenBSD developer. "The other"
means that I am one myself and relative to me, they are "the other"
developers wit
Richard Stallman wrote:
I would not call your message "an attack", because encouraging attacks
is not the same thing as making an attack. It is not the same, but it
goes in the same direction. I hope that the other OpenBSD developers
will repudiate such conduct. Surely we can disagree without
nicodache wrote:
I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay
calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap,
fucking duck with tape, shutting up things.
I have never seen anyone on this list fuck a duck with a tape. Ever.
Richard,
I don't want not make any comment on all this FUD, instead I'll just
tell you this.
I cannot anything but to appreciate and look how you are able to stay
calm and polite when I read some people on this ML talking about crap,
fucking duck with tape, shutting up things.
That beeing said, I
I wrote:
>> I hope that you have not arranged in effect to cause our web site
>> to be attacked.
You responded:
It was a recommendation of OpenBSD rather than an attack.
It was neither a recommendation of OpenBSD nor an attack.
Your message did not talk about OpenBSD, but if it had
No, Richard. No. This is really getting tired.
> Their report was that OpenBSD contains ports for non-free programs,
> and that is what I tried to say in the interview.
No, you didnt't.
> I made a mistake in the way I said it: I used words which were subject
> to misunderstanding.
No, you used
> > There are also quite a few free programs that run only on Windows.
> > (Being able to redistribute a program and its source and modify and
> > redistribute the source doesn't somehow cause it to be instantly
> > ported to other platforms by the grace of God.) These programs can be
> > run on ot
> > > 2) using more free software is better than not running it at all
> > > 3) incentivating usage of non-free software on free software operating
> > >systems doesn't incentivate the creation of free software
> replacements
> >
> > this is a word play. I know people who used OpenBSD for
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 11:18:17PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL
> injection vulnerabilities?
>
> I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message.
> Teaching the public about this issue is a good thi
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. And this mistake
has blown up in to this thread with this ongoing argument. Their
report was either not as accurate as you seem to think, or you're very
badly expressing the contents of the report (which has not been made
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:46:49 -0500
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
> > the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
> > check for me.
>
> Wait, you have someone else do the r
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:10AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell
> me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to
> know where it is.
>
Time to back track again, eh Moron.
>
> What is the URL of th
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
By publishing it, and telling only me--not anyone who could fix
it--you made sure a day would go by when others know about the problem
but our sysadmins did not. It would have been better practice to tell
our sysadmins privately first, and give
Eric Furman wrote:
Yea, it was the artwork that attracted me to OpenBSD,
not all the hard work that was put in creating good,
clean, secure code. :-) (no offense Ken).
Thanks again Theo and all the other devs.
None taken. The quality of the OpenBSD effort goes without saying,
although than
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:18 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
By publishing it, and telling only me--not anyone who could fix
it--you made sure a day would go by when others know about the problem
but our sysadmins did not. It would have been better practice to tell
our sysadmins privately first, and give
Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL
injection vulnerabilities?
I know nothing about that issue, but I will forward your message.
Teaching the public about this issue is a good thing to.
However, the way you did it was predictably bad.
By publishing it, a
> To bring in half the human population into this flame
> fest is at best grossly overeager and at worst extremely and unfairly
> prejudicial.
Indeed. IMO the most depressing thing about this entire exchange (with
the possible exception of the amount of top-posting) is the offhand
way in which mo
Deanna Phillips wrote:
Marco Peereboom writes:
Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you
some maxi pads?
Do I need to point out that you've attempted to insult someone
by comparing him to some bullshit stereotype about women?
Well said. Flinging mud is all well
On Jan 6, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
Absolutely. FSF staff checked the BSD versions and told me what
found. I do not redo their work after they do it; I trust that they
did it well.
Their report about OpenBSD was accurate.
Except, sir, at some point, someone made a mistake. A
Richard Stallman wrote:
I don't personally do most of our web site maintenance, of course.
But I take responsibility for removing this link if it should not be
there.
Can you tell the FSF web programmers to do more checking for HTML/SQL
injection vulnerabilities?
I have found a vulnerability
So the FSF told you "OpenBSD contains non-free software" and you said
EXACTLY what they told you on the talk?
So the FSF are hypocrites and liars!
On Jan 6, 2008 12:46 PM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
>
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:56:08AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > > > According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary
> > > > system as it allows more people to run free software. How is it that it
> I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
> the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
> check for me.
Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions
get reflected in what you say?
Absolutely. FSF
Dude... it is on the "endorsement list" on gnu.org you talked about in
the beginning how you cannot include OpenBSD in it...
http://gnu.org/links/links.html
Thank you. Now I know where to remove the link if it comes to that.
I have a feeling that list is maintained by your 'FSF
Is the FSF preparing to treat OBSD as one of the free OS they recommend?
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Lars NoodC)n wrote:
L wrote:
...
The first time I heard cult mentioned was when people were complaining
about open bsd being a cult of open bsd followers, or mean rude cult
members...
I assume you are talking about this dreadful thread.
...
Outside this thread the first time I he
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
BTW, one would say that the accusations of "cult" did not start from me
(or Richard), so I'd say you "accusers" fall straight on the "above all"
that's included in that link:
"We are not a cult -- all of those other groups are. We work very hard
to make sure that
L wrote:
> ...
> The first time I heard cult mentioned was when people were complaining
> about open bsd being a cult of open bsd followers, or mean rude cult
> members...
I assume you are talking about this dreadful thread.
Outside this thread the first time I heard cults mentioned was back in
t
Let me make a sincere apology to all who read that and thought I was
drawing a parallel. It obviously was poor choice of words and I am
sorry for saying it. I won't even try to explain what my actual
intention was since it'll sound hollow.
Bad marco.
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:10PM -0500, De
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:18:34PM -0700, L wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote:
Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see
it.. the same way CULTS want you to see
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:46:08PM -0500, Eliah Kagan wrote:
> When you say the world is not made of such extremes, do you mean you
> think the long-term effects of something are always unquantifiable?
The long term effects of anything are always something left to optimism
or pessimism, according
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:18:34PM -0700, L wrote:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote:
>>
>>> Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see
>>> it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about
>>
Marco Peereboom writes:
> Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you
> some maxi pads?
Do I need to point out that you've attempted to insult someone
by comparing him to some bullshit stereotype about women?
On Jan 5, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Yes. But even if it's legally redistributable, the question remains
wether it's free software or not.
Fortunately OpenBSD is Free Software. Unfortunately it recommends and
distributes proprietary software on it's servers (and it wasn't
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote:
Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see
it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about
EVERYTHING and every other religion and church is wrong.
You
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:34:49PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi
> pads?
Now that you mention it, shortly after this idiotic flame I started
receiving "tons" of spam.
I wonder if they're related...
Rui
--
Or is it?
Today is
Blah blah blah my feelers are hurt. Do I need to mail you some maxi
pads?
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:56:08AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > > > According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary
> >
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:31:00AM -0700, L wrote:
> Hypocrite thoughts are constructed in your mind the way you want to see
> it.. the same way CULTS want you to see that their cult is right about
> EVERYTHING and every other religion and church is wrong.
You seem to abuse the word hypocrisy. N
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:28:19AM -0800, Ray Percival wrote:
> don't like you. You think we rank up there with baby killers. I will NEVER
> understand how that works so just FOAD and we can all be happy.
I think that "ranking" you mention is 100% your interpretation. :)
Rui
--
Or is it?
Today
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:34:45PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > > According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary
> > > system as it allows more people to run free software. How is it that it
> > > is wrong to allow more people to run a free system by giving them links
>
I wrote:
> > discouraging development of free replacements to software? What would
> > you need to know to actually know that Wine was ultimately
> > counterproductive, or ultimately productive? When it comes right down
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> The world is not made of such extremes, fortu
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 01:51:22PM -0500, Eliah Kagan wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2008 12:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > 4) FYI I think the wine project is counter-productive as it enables
> >running non-free software on free software operating systems, and as
> >such de-incentivates the
Oh, the real troll just arrived (one more list where he get's to the
kill file).
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:52:34PM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2008 6:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > I'm not from the FSF.
>
> Yeah, yeah. You're a kind of Rich
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>
> ... you distribute non-free software.
It has been pointed out on numerous occasions that
this is a false statement.
> No, I am a victim
Only because you elect to remain uninformed.
On Jan 5, 2008 12:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> 4) FYI I think the wine project is counter-productive as it enables
>running non-free software on free software operating systems, and as
>such de-incentivates the creation of replacements.
> 4.1) but it's free software and its autho
Hello mini-RMS,
Happy New Year greetings from gnu.misc.discuss! :-)
On Jan 5, 2008 6:53 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I'm not from the FSF.
Yeah, yeah. You're a kind of Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney of "National
Association for Free Software", aren't you? A kind of
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > > > Why d
On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:53, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
Why didn't you
[slight legibility edit]
On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:36AM -0800, johan beisser wrote:
On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find
out
the status of the BSD systems,
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ?
You are a t
That's clearly a rhetorical question.
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:36AM -0800, johan beisser wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
>> the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
>
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > > Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ?
> > > You are a troll.
> >
> > Either I did and y
On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
I doubt I would have looked at the AROS web site myself. To find out
the status of the BSD systems, recently, I asked the FSF staff to
check for me.
Wait, you have someone else do the research, and this persons opinions
get reflected in wha
On Jan 5, 2008 11:31 AM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it
> is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell
> me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to
> know where it
2008/1/6, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system.
>
> I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it
> is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell
> me where that statement appear
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:10AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system.
>
> I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it
> is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell
> me where th
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> > Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ?
> > You are a troll.
>
> Either I did and you missed it, or it wasn't the answer you'd expect or
> I found it so irrele
I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system.
I don't recognize the name AROS, but if it is an operating system, it
is possible I said something about it at some point. Could you tell
me where that statement appears? If I need to correct it, I need to
know where it is.
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:
> Why didn't you answer my mail Rui ?
> You are a troll.
Either I did and you missed it, or it wasn't the answer you'd expect or
I found it so irrelevant it didn't even raise any bell.
Anyways, most of your emails have been so rude t
Maxim Bourmistrov wrote:
> Yes, as this continues you have to say something Theo, but.
> I personally prefer the moto "If you want it right - you have to do
> it yourself".
>
> So please Theo stop wasting your time and continue with your
> development of OpenBSD.
> The energy you wa
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:29:38PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:35:16PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > Could we all please stop responding to his emails as well as emails
> > from trollers like Rui Seabra?
>
> F.Y. You are the troll.
>
Why didn't you answe
chefren wrote (shortened):
Don't forget to take a look at the unforgettable "all talk no action"
character with GNU horns "behind the curtain" on the paperwork of the
OpenBSD 3.7 release CD.
http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#37
OK, I promised myself I wouldn't respond again to this thread or it
Yes, as this continues you have to say something Theo, but.
I personally prefer the moto "If you want it right - you have to do
it yourself".
So please Theo stop wasting your time and continue with your
development of OpenBSD.
The energy you wasting to reply this flame is taken from OpenBS
On 1/4/08 7:14 PM, Siju George wrote:
http://redfox.redfoxcenter.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=15560
is the man who is spreading all these lies about other decent Free
Software developers.
If you haven't seen him yet!
Don't forget to take a look at the unforgettable "all talk no action"
cha
On Jan 4, 2008 10:38 PM, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You are no Academic. You don't belong anywhere near MIT campus. You
> just plain don't know how to do research, and then you go around
> spreading mistruths.
>
> Richard, you are such a hypocrite. You don't matter any more in
I actually prefer that it does continue.
I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system.
Oh really? Did he not notice the web page where AROS includes
software which emulates an Amiga perfectly, and to do this talks
about stealing the ROM from a real Amiga machine?
Is t
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:35:16PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> Could we all please stop responding to his emails as well as emails
> from trollers like Rui Seabra?
F.Y. You are the troll.
Rui
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