Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-25 Thread Adam
On Thu, 26 May 2005 05:10:20 +0100 Anil Madhavapeddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why? OCaml isnt a functional language, its a language which supports > higher-order functions. And its native-code performance beats the > living daylights out of any C# implementation I've seen. But really, > who

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-25 Thread Anil Madhavapeddy
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:52:34PM -0400, Adam wrote: > > No, there you go living in a little fantasy world where you can say > things and they are magically true. Python and java are both > significantly slower than C#, especially python, its not even close. I wonder what you mean by C# here; y

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-25 Thread Joseph Kiniry
Hi Adam, Apologies for the delay in response; I've been busy. On 9 May 2005, at 11:52, Adam wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2005 07:40:10 +0100 Joseph Kiniry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While I guess I should have been a little more specific to only include languages that have enough libraries to be us

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-09 Thread Adam
On Mon, 9 May 2005 07:40:10 +0100 Joseph Kiniry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While I guess I should have been a little more specific to only > > include > > languages that have enough libraries to be useful, and obviously > > purely functional languages aren't comparable, you ignoring the > >

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-09 Thread Joel Rees
Thank you, Adam, your trolling induced me to plug something in at google and browse a bit: http://www.google.com/ search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22C%23%22%2B%22performance%22%2B%22java%22 The ones I found particularly interesting were these two: http://www.sosnoski.com/presents/dotnetusers/java-dotnet.ht

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-08 Thread Joseph Kiniry
Hi Adam et al, On 9 May 2005, at 02:57, Adam wrote: On Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:54 +0100 Joseph Kiniry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, C# really is much better than other languages for what it does. Is there some other safe, garbage collected, high level language with performance anywhere close

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-08 Thread Adam
On Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:54 +0100 Joseph Kiniry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, C# really is much better than other languages for what it > > does. Is there some other safe, garbage collected, high level > > language with performance anywhere close to C#? > > You mean, besides Java, Mod

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-08 Thread Joseph Kiniry
Hello Hannah, Adam, Joel, et al, On 7 May 2005, at 17:23, Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hello! On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 11:03:04PM -0700, Ben Goren wrote: On 2005 May 6, at 5:55 PM, Henry Lenzi wrote: P.S. It'll be a cold day in Hell before anything in OpenBSD gets compiled with Mono. I suppose there's a

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-07 Thread Joel Rees
counter-trolling, On 2005.5.8, at 04:02 AM, Adam wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2005 23:03:04 -0700 Ben Goren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And, truthfully, I just don't see the point behind it, either. It's not like C# or Java is *that* much better than C or C++ or Perl or Lisp or any of a dozen other language

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-07 Thread Adam
On Fri, 6 May 2005 23:03:04 -0700 Ben Goren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, truthfully, I just don't see the point behind it, either. It's > not like C# or Java is *that* much better than C or C++ or Perl or > Lisp or any of a dozen other languages that *aren't* encumbered. I > mean, sure, you co

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-07 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 11:03:04PM -0700, Ben Goren wrote: >On 2005 May 6, at 5:55 PM, Henry Lenzi wrote: >> But for the BSDs, maybe Mono would be a >> fresh, unhindered start. >Erm...for Linux, maybe. Not for us. > http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing >All we could use are th

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-07 Thread Ben Goren
On 2005 May 6, at 5:55 PM, Henry Lenzi wrote: > But for the BSDs, maybe Mono would be a > fresh, unhindered start. Erm...for Linux, maybe. Not for us. http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing All we could use are the class libraries. Everything else is GPL. And, truthfully, I just don't

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-06 Thread =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gerardo_Santana_G=F3mez_Garrido?=
On 5/6/05, Henry Lenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/3/05, Ian F. Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robbert Haarman wrote: > > > > >>Just how stupid is SUN? Developing a CROSS platform coding solution > > >>that fails to achieve is goal due to licensing and testing > > >>restrictions and th

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-06 Thread Joel Rees
IMHO, the open source community should avoid this Java fixation and switch to Mono. Mono is free sotware and a superior technology than Java, from what I've read. Sure, there's lots of investment already made in Java (Tomcat, etc). But for the BSDs, maybe Mono would be a fresh, unhindered start. Th

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-06 Thread Benjamin A. Collins
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 09:04:53PM -0400, Andrew Pinski wrote: > Why Mono? Try GCJ instead it is more mature and much older. > I am tried of people recommending Mono, if anyone looks into its > code would realize why. I tend to agree with this sentiment. Mono is Kinda Neat (TM), but it's sooo not

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-06 Thread Andrew Pinski
On May 6, 2005, at 8:55 PM, Henry Lenzi wrote: IMHO, the open source community should avoid this Java fixation and switch to Mono. Mono is free sotware and a superior technology than Java, from what I've read. Sure, there's lots of investment already made in Java (Tomcat, etc). But for the BSDs, ma

Re: Rant: how stupid does java look

2005-05-06 Thread Henry Lenzi
On 5/3/05, Ian F. Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robbert Haarman wrote: > > >>Just how stupid is SUN? Developing a CROSS platform coding solution > >>that fails to achieve is goal due to licensing and testing > >>restrictions and the like. > >> > >> > >On a different note, I recall FreeBSD ha