Re: Perpetually Current

2008-11-02 Thread Doug Milam
Thanks; that's straightforward and refreshingly more direct than I thought. A hallmark of OpenBSD! * * http://milam.homeunix.net --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Tobias Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Tobias Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Perpetually Current To: &qu

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-11-02 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 01:39:04PM -0800, Doug Milam wrote: > I'm also fairly new to OpenBSD. As I understand from this thread, having > installed -current (4.4) from a snapshot CD, the easiest way to keep -current > is to burn a subsequent snapshot to a CD and follow the upgrade process from > the

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-11-02 Thread Chess Griffin
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Doug Milam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also fairly new to OpenBSD. As I understand from this thread, having > installed -current (4.4) from a snapshot CD, the easiest way to keep -current > is to burn a subsequent snapshot to a CD and follow the upgrade process

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-11-02 Thread Doug Milam
I'm also fairly new to OpenBSD. As I understand from this thread, having installed -current (4.4) from a snapshot CD, the easiest way to keep -current is to burn a subsequent snapshot to a CD and follow the upgrade process from there?

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos
On Jan 2, 2008 4:57 PM, Ingo Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matheus, > > Nenhum_de_Nos wrote on Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 01:42:01PM -0300: > > > my OBSD routers are usually old PII boxes > > and doing this kind of upgrade on them is not trivial. > > Saying "this kind of upgrade", you refer to

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matheus, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote on Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 01:42:01PM -0300: > my OBSD routers are usually old PII boxes > and doing this kind of upgrade on them is not trivial. Saying "this kind of upgrade", you refer to the official upgrade process, i presume? The official upgrade process is com

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 12:40:40PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > There has to be a way without CD. Can't you put the 4.2 rd kernel on > the root filesystem and boot that then run the installer, pulling the > install sets via ftp? I suppose for remote units you need some sort of > remote shell

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 01:42:01PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > On Dec 27, 2007 11:17 AM, new_guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > > be feasible

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Henning Brauer
* Nenhum_de_Nos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-01-02 17:49]: > On Dec 27, 2007 11:17 AM, new_guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > > be feasible to get

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 01:42:01PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > I have quite the same problem. my OBSD routers are usually old PII > boxes and doing this kind of upgrade on them is not trivial. other, I > have some remote routers I cant do this, so They run FBSD. I'd rather > use OBSD on my router

Re: Perpetually Current

2008-01-02 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos
On Dec 27, 2007 11:17 AM, new_guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > be feasible to get a snapshot today and follow -current for many years w/o > havin

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-30 Thread Jason George
>I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for >many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it >be feasible to get a snapshot today and follow -current for many years w/o >having to reinstall? Basically, this approach would skip -stable and >

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-28 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Dec 28, 2007 4:07 AM, Ingo Schwarze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Keeping a system up to date involves manual work, > either a little easy work for manual upgrades now and then, > or lots of hard and scary work for building and maintaining > an automatic system. You choose according to you

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Karsten McMinn wrote on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:21:54AM -0800: > obviously automation. regardless of personal administration ethics > it seems like a fair question. If you understand the OP's question that way, you should also provide the following answer to the OP: There is no standard way for

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:21:54AM -0800, Karsten McMinn wrote: > On Dec 27, 2007 10:47 AM, Jan Stary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's about one hour of work twice a year - what's wrong with that? Why > > do you want to stay -current? What problem are you trying to solve, or > > what are you t

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Karsten McMinn
On Dec 27, 2007 10:47 AM, Jan Stary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's about one hour of work twice a year - what's wrong with that? Why > do you want to stay -current? What problem are you trying to solve, or > what are you trying to achieve by doing that? obviously automation. regardless of p

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Greg Thomas
On Dec 27, 2007 8:35 AM, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 17:31]: > > Thats my point: running -current means building from source and > > thus being affected. > > huh? > not at all. > you use snapshots of course. STeve understands that but

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Jan Stary
On Dec 27 06:17:37, new_guy wrote: > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured > for many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. That's what upgrades are for. > Would it be feasible to get a snapshot today and follow -current for > many years w/o

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Henning Brauer
* STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 17:31]: > Thats my point: running -current means building from source and > thus being affected. huh? not at all. you use snapshots of course. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP -

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 27 December 2007 10:46:26 Henning Brauer wrote: > * STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 16:42]: > > On Thursday 27 December 2007 10:07:00 Henning Brauer wrote: > > > * STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 15:43]: > > > > On Thursday 27 December 2007 09:17:37 new_guy wro

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Henning Brauer
* STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 16:42]: > On Thursday 27 December 2007 10:07:00 Henning Brauer wrote: > > * STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 15:43]: > > > On Thursday 27 December 2007 09:17:37 new_guy wrote: > > > > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patch

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/27/07, new_guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > be feasible to get a snapshot today and follow -current for many years w/o > having to reinstal

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 27 December 2007 10:07:00 Henning Brauer wrote: > * STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 15:43]: > > On Thursday 27 December 2007 09:17:37 new_guy wrote: > > > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured > > > for many years there after (5 - 7 years) i

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 04:07:00PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > The second problem are flag days, when something has changed such > > that you almost certainly want to reinstall the OS. The move from > > a.out to ELF binary format is a good example of that. > > ah yeah, and that happens every

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread Henning Brauer
* STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-27 15:43]: > On Thursday 27 December 2007 09:17:37 new_guy wrote: > > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > > be feasible to get a snapsh

Re: Perpetually Current

2007-12-27 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 27 December 2007 09:17:37 new_guy wrote: > I would like to install OpenBSD *once* and keep it patched and secured for > many years there after (5 - 7 years) in a production environment. Would it > be feasible to get a snapshot today and follow -current for many years w/o > having to rei