On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:07:47PM +0200, Jean-Francois wrote:
> Le mercredi 18 ao{t 2010 11:10:47, Gregory Edigarov a icrit :
> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
> >
> > Henning Brauer wrote:
> > > * Gregory Edigarov [2010-08-17 09:29]:
> > > > Qmail??? Postfix??? "easiest to use" Oh, ple
Le mercredi 18 ao{t 2010 11:10:47, Gregory Edigarov a icrit :
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
>
> Henning Brauer wrote:
> > * Gregory Edigarov [2010-08-17 09:29]:
> > > Qmail??? Postfix??? "easiest to use" Oh, please don't... I would
> > > even not give a dime to exim, which of the "big
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 08:47:43PM +0200, Robert wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:42:09 +0200
> "Peter J. Philipp" wrote:
> > Thanks. I'm trying to interpret that marc archive right. Was it that you
> > had your /etc/mailer.conf not updated to the opensmtpd binaries? Well
> > anyhow
>
> Yes,
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:42:09 +0200
"Peter J. Philipp" wrote:
> Thanks. I'm trying to interpret that marc archive right. Was it that you
> had your /etc/mailer.conf not updated to the opensmtpd binaries? Well anyhow
Yes, that's correct. Just to be sure: you did run newaliases?
regards,
Robert
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Robert wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:19:10 +0200
> "Peter J. Philipp" wrote:
> > It works at home too, with a bit of hackery by myself. A while ago I
> > noticed
> > OpenSMTPD didn't deliver to aliases, but I'm unsure if it has been fixed yet
> > or if
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:19:10 +0200
"Peter J. Philipp" wrote:
> It works at home too, with a bit of hackery by myself. A while ago I noticed
> OpenSMTPD didn't deliver to aliases, but I'm unsure if it has been fixed yet
> or if I and mouring were the only ones that had the problem. I'm looking fo
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:19:10AM +0200, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> > Agreed. That left us to only the choice between sendmail/OpenSMTPD :)
> > I would definitelly advise for Opensmtpd, but not yet, at least not
> > before the 4.8
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
> Henning Brauer wrote:
>
> > * Gregory Edigarov [2010-08-17 09:29]:
> > > Qmail??? Postfix??? "easiest to use" Oh, please don't... I would
> > > even not give a dime to exim, which of the
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
> Agreed. That left us to only the choice between sendmail/OpenSMTPD :)
> I would definitelly advise for Opensmtpd, but not yet, at least not
> before the 4.8 rel will be rolled, though in 4.7 it is quite stable,
> and runs perfectly
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
Henning Brauer wrote:
> * Gregory Edigarov [2010-08-17 09:29]:
> > Qmail??? Postfix??? "easiest to use" Oh, please don't... I would
> > even not give a dime to exim, which of the "big guys" I love the
> > most, in the terms of ease of configure. So now I d
* Gregory Edigarov [2010-08-17 09:29]:
> Qmail??? Postfix??? "easiest to use" Oh, please don't... I would
> even not give a dime to exim, which of the "big guys" I love the
> most, in the terms of ease of configure. So now I definitelly see
> OpenSMTPD as a very viable alternative.
exim i
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:36:00 -0700
Chris Cappuccio wrote:
> Kevin Chadwick [ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk] wrote:
> >
> > One thing which is debateable for hours is smtp connections and
> > verps which is why an rfc can't be decided upon (performance (for
> > spammers too) vs functionality). qmail has t
Kevin Chadwick [ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk] wrote:
>
> One thing which is debateable for hours is smtp connections and verps
> which is why an rfc can't be decided upon (performance (for spammers
> too) vs functionality). qmail has taught other MTAs far more than any
> other MTA has taught qmail.
That
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:31:49 -0400
Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> Qmail is best-known among everyone equipped with sufficient experience
> as the cause of numerous operational issues and a fair amount of abuse
> thanks to a number of very poor design and implementation decisions.
> Many of these have bee
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver
On 8/13/2010 at 11:26 PM Benny LC6fgren wrote:
|Steve Shockley wrote:
|> On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
|>> Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
|>
|> I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a
good
|> choice if you want an all-in-
Steve Shockley wrote:
On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a good
choice if you want an all-in-one package but you don't think your mail
server should co
Qmail is best-known among everyone equipped with sufficient experience
as the cause of numerous operational issues and a fair amount of abuse
thanks to a number of very poor design and implementation decisions.
Many of these have been discussed over the year in exhaustive detail
on the appropriate
> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:20:15 -0500
> From: sl...@peereboom.us
> To: webret...@live.com
> CC: r...@gsp.org; misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: MTA choice
>
> Well he believes that hard disks never lie. I guess he has a CS degree.
Go away clown. And take your "practica
Well he believes that hard disks never lie. I guess he has a CS degree.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:09:41PM +, Internet Retard wrote:
> > Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
> >
> > ---Rsk
>
> DJB wrote qmail. He codes circles around most clowns and talks a lot
> Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
>
> ---Rsk
DJB wrote qmail. He codes circles around most clowns and talks a lot of smack
(similar to our noble leader) and he can back it up too. Take the qmail
challenge. I don't care for MTA software at all, but qmail is pure
2010/8/13 Jacob Yocom-Piatt :
> sendmail is a piece of software that is historically notorious for security
> problems
IMHO this opinion is based on information from the last century; how
many security problems were there in the last decade?
Best
Martin
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
>Dave Anderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
>>
>>> sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
>>> all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
>>>
>> You imply that sendma
Real hackers do their email with awk and nc.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, wrote:
>> i have heard good things about qmail but never used it myself.
>
> Thank's for your answer.
>
>
http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ldap/
name sounds similar. date.
--Siju
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
You imply that sendmail is _only_ fine for such limited uses, which is
cert
On 08/13/2010 04:02 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
But I also like my network servers
to have been "field proven in the nasty wilderness" by others
for some time before starting to use them myself in production,
Men, that's rather very selfish! So, you want everyone one else to do
the work, but not
- Original Message
> From: "open...@e-solutions.re"
> To: misc@openbsd.org
> Cc: Christer Solskogen
> Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 12:41:36 AM
> Subject: Re: MTA choice
>
> I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
> And hav
On 8/13/2010 at 3:43 AM Peter Miller wrote:
|> I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to
use.
|> And have your advice.
|
|He just gave it to you. sendmail.
=
My opinion, and my opinion only - if you do notd to change any of the
configuration settings from the
On 8/13/2010 at 9:04 AM Christer Solskogen wrote:
|On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, wrote:
|> Hi,
|>
|> I want to install a mailserver.
|> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
|> OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix
instead
|> Sendmail.
|> Is there someon
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:52 -0400
>
> Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
>
> ---Rsk
>
Actually "q"mail is only used by people who do know better because
otherwise people like yahoo wouldn't go to such lengths to install it
(caused by it's old licensing). There
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
>sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
>all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
You imply that sendmail is _only_ fine for such limited uses, which is
certainly not true in my experience;
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:55:13AM +0400, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
> I want to install a mailserver.
> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
> OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
> Sendmail.
> Is there someone to advice me about the choice of th
On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a good
choice if you want an all-in-one package but you don't think your mail
server should come with an OS (Zimbra).
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27:56 +0200
Henning Brauer wrote:
> * Peter Miller [2010-08-13 10:46]:
> > > I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
> > > And have your advice.
> >
> > He just gave it to you. sendmail.
>
> I would never use sendmail for anything halfway se
On 13 August 2010 16:30, wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:23:30 -0500, "j...@fixedpointgroup.com"
> wrote:
>> sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
>> all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver. smtpd
>> does similarly but has unpredictable beh
* Fredrik Henbjork [2010-08-13 15:57]:
> What are your views on qmail versus Postfix?
irrelevant here anyway.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services
Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:23:30 -0500, "j...@fixedpointgroup.com"
wrote:
> sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
> all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver. smtpd
> does similarly but has unpredictable behavior at best. i spent many
> hours fi
> > I want to install a mailserver.
> > What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
Your mom.
Henning Brauer wrote:
* Peter Miller [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
++
sendmail is fine if you
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to install a mailserver.
> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
> OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
> Sendmail.
> Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
>
> T
But I also like my network servers
to have been "field proven in the nasty wilderness" by others
for some time before starting to use them myself in production,
Men, that's rather very selfish! So, you want everyone one else to do
the work, but not you!? You don't want to participate in testing
On 08/13/2010 12:27 PM, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Peter Miller [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
What are your views on qm
On 08/13/2010 03:00 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was replace
as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago. So, I sure don't thin you
will see smtpd being replace again by something else in base. It was
already done. Check the archive.
It
On 8/13/10 9:08 AM, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Daniel Ouellet [2010-08-13 15:04]:
Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was
replace as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago.
bullshit.
You are right as out of the box MTA in standard operation. I should
phase it differ
* Daniel Ouellet [2010-08-13 15:04]:
> Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was
> replace as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago.
bullshit.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail a
On 8/13/10 8:27 AM, Fredrik Henbjork wrote:
On 08/13/2010 10:49 AM, Richard Toohey wrote:
But as Christer has said, if it's in the OpenBSD base, that should
mean something.
Just because it's in base doesn't mean that it's the "best" choice.
After all, it *could* just mean that noone has had t
On 8/13/10 7:35 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
are using it in production already. At least configuration is much
more easier then in sendmail(8)
I have been for almost 18 months now. I use it as spam filter and front
end for other
Yeah, /me for example... handles some 100,000 connects per day, with
spam ratio about 3/1...4/1. i.e. some 25,000 deliveries per day.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:35:44 +0200
Tomas Bodzar wrote:
> You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
> are using it in production alread
On 08/13/2010 10:49 AM, Richard Toohey wrote:
But as Christer has said, if it's in the OpenBSD base, that should
mean something.
Just because it's in base doesn't mean that it's the "best" choice.
After all, it *could* just mean that noone has had the time and/or
energy to replace it with some
You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
are using it in production already. At least configuration is much
more easier then in sendmail(8)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to install a mailserver.
> What is the easiest and the most secure sol
Siju George writes:
> what about qmail? ;-)
huh, hurr, he said qmail
--
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http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
"Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic"
delilah spamd[29
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Henning Brauer wrote:
> * Peter Miller [2010-08-13 10:46]:
>> > I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
>> > And have your advice.
>>
>> He just gave it to you. sendmail.
>
> I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
>
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:55:13 +0400
wrote:
> I want to install a mailserver.
> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
"It depends" - as mentioned before, you need to specify the
environment, mail volume etc.
My opinion:
*) Since 4.6 OpenBSD ships with its own daemon: "man smtpd". From
* Peter Miller [2010-08-13 10:46]:
> > I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
> > And have your advice.
>
> He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Serv
On 13/08/2010, at 7:41 PM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
> I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
> And have your advice.
Easiest doesn't necessarily fit with most secure ... or everyone would
be using Windows and Macs?
You have to understand what you are setting u
> I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
> And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
> > Why do you think OpenBSD ships with (a custom and secure) sendmail by
> > default?
--
Later
Peter
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:04:01 +0200, Christer Solskogen
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to install a mailserver.
>> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to install a mailserver.
> What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
> OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
> Sendmail.
> Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
>
Why do you
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