Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-04 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:32:34 +0800, Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tuesday 04 July 2006 05:05, Chris Cappuccio wrote: >> Either way, this makes them look like the biggest fucking idiots ever. > >Most people who have ever had to use any of their devices knew this already. > >--- >Lars H

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Lars Hansson
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 05:05, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > Either way, this makes them look like the biggest fucking idiots ever. Most people who have ever had to use any of their devices knew this already. --- Lars Hansson

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Chris Cappuccio
J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This sucks. It's no different than what Cisco did with their HSRP patent > to try to kill off VRRP. The Huawei IPR claim to the IETF is nearly > identical to the crap Cisco put out years ago in their IPR claim. > It's funny how these Chinese guys like to

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > useful implementation of a redundancy protocol. It's > technically better > > than HSRP or any of the versions of VRRP but the problems > till stands > > that it is not an "official" protocol, which simply means > adoption and > > inter operability will suffer to som

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2006/7/3, laurent FANIS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yeah that is true i didn't see it but wouldn't be possible to buy off people ?I mean the company is in china and it is a country that has a certain degree of corruption.This is what i'm afraid of too. You are right to a degree (the patent will surely

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread laurent FANIS
On 7/3/06, J. C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:40:01 +0300, "laurent FANIS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Couldn't resist asking but can they really patent : >"sending "formatted" data over SSL" ? >That is just plain ridiculous !! As far as I know, at the moment it's on

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:14:59 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm a bit confused by your reply. Yes, I kind of see what you mean but >> it also seems I failed miserably to write things clearly. By putting >> "Official" in quotes, I was trying to point out the stupidity of the bad

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:40:01 +0300, "laurent FANIS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Couldn't resist asking but can they really patent : >"sending "formatted" data over SSL" ? >That is just plain ridiculous !! As far as I know, at the moment it's only a patent *application* rather than a granted patent

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Clint Pachl
J.C. Roberts wrote: Don't misunderstand me, CARP is an amazingly innovative and extremely useful implementation of a redundancy protocol. It's technically better than HSRP or any of the versions of VRRP but the problems till stands that it is not an "official" protocol, which simply means adoptio

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I'm a bit confused by your reply. Yes, I kind of see what you mean but > it also seems I failed miserably to write things clearly. By putting > "Official" in quotes, I was trying to point out the stupidity of the bad > corporate decisions that occur far too often. > > There are countless corpor

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:09:02 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Don't misunderstand me, CARP is an amazingly innovative and extremely >> useful implementation of a redundancy protocol. It's technically better >> than HSRP or any of the versions of VRRP but the problems till stands

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread laurent FANIS
-0400, "Nick Guenther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 7/1/06, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:14 +0300, "Alexey E. Suslikov" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:52:57 -0400, "Nick Guenther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 7/1/06, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:14 +0300, "Alexey E. Suslikov" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Don't misunderstand me, CARP is an amazingly innovative and extremely > useful implementation of a redundancy protocol. It's technically better > than HSRP or any of the versions of VRRP but the problems till stands > that it is not an "official" protocol, which simply means adoption and > inter

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread J.C. Roberts
gt;> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >>Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard. Read here >> >>http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/28/2320232 >> > >> >This sucks. It's no different than what Cisco did with their HSRP patent

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread Jim Razmus
* Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060702 15:58]: > On 7/1/06, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:14 +0300, "Alexey E. Suslikov" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog stan

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-02 Thread Nick Guenther
On 7/1/06, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:14 +0300, "Alexey E. Suslikov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard. Read here >http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/28/2320232 This sucks. It&#x

Re: Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-07-01 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:14 +0300, "Alexey E. Suslikov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard. Read here >http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/28/2320232 This sucks. It's no different than what Cisco did with their HSRP pat

Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard

2006-06-30 Thread Alexey E. Suslikov
Patent jeopardizes IETF syslog standard. Read here http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/06/28/2320232