On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:14:59 -0600, Theo de Raadt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I'm a bit confused by your reply. Yes, I kind of see what you mean but
>> it also seems I failed miserably to write things clearly. By putting
>> "Official" in quotes, I was trying to point out the stupidity of the bad
>> corporate decisions that occur far too often. 
>> 
>> There are countless corporate idiots which make the wrong choice because
>> they like to waive a nonsense marketing banner saying that they are
>> "Compliant" with some "official" standard, regardless if there is a
>> standardized, completely free, unincumbered and technically superior
>> replacement available. Those bad decisions do slow adoption of a free
>> replacement (CARP) and in general, affect inter operability of systems
>> because they chose to support some encumbered protocol rather than CARP.
>> 
>> I can kind of see how saying their decisions are wrong/bad might be
>> limiting but I don't understand how it would give them more power to do
>> it again?
>> 
>> I've got this bad feeling that I'm missing something that should be
>> totally obvious... please apply the clue stick.
>
>What did you miss?
>
>By even using "official" in quotes, and your statement:
>
>>> Don't misunderstand me, CARP is an amazingly innovative and extremely
>>> useful implementation of a redundancy protocol. It's technically better
>>> than HSRP or any of the versions of VRRP but the problems till stands
>>> that it is not an "official" protocol, which simply means adoption and
>>> inter operability will suffer to some degree.
>
>What are you doing?  You are saying that your prediction is that
>it WILL suffer in adoption, it WILL suffer in inter operability.
>
>Keep at it.  You might get what you want.  Because what you wrote, it
>is what you wanted right?
>
>The problem is there are a whole lot of people who are willing to discuss
>the problems their ideas/implimentations face.  And it actually does
>affect the adoption of our stuff.  That's because noone from a corporate
>role would every say such a thing.
>
>So go ahead, be honest.  Fight the losing fight.
>
>The fact is that CARP (+ pfsync + sasync) kicks the crap out of anything
>that is standardized......

Got it. It's the ``self-fulfilling prophecy '' thing. Thanks.

jcr


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