Brett Lymn said:
> Did I say stress anywhere?
You didn't, but you should have.
> I said test. Sure, doing a build will
> stress the machine but all it really tests is that the tool chain is
> functional and that the kernel is functional enough to handle the
> build.
That's actually pretty func
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 10:22:41AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
>
> >
> > 1) At no point in time did I advocate no testing of the output
> > binaries. Regardless of whether those binaries are produced via a
> > native build or a cross build. Testing the binaries is a _good_ thing
> > and shoul
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:21:45AM +0930, Brett Lymn wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:11:01PM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote:
> >
> > Seriously. You really don't see the correlation between using something
> > and finding bugs? What planet are you from?
> >
>
> Quite a strong correlation actual
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:11:01PM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote:
>
> Seriously. You really don't see the correlation between using something
> and finding bugs? What planet are you from?
>
Quite a strong correlation actually Art. Since you appear a bit
confused allow me to spell it out for you.
On 07/12/05 22:42, Maslan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nutty McSquirrel, please keep your advice for yourself as i wont
accept advice from a hotmail guy.
"What's in a name"... ROFL, what's the difference with a gmail guy?
In general I would say hotmail guys are older and probably wiser.
+++che
Brett Lymn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > ASSUMING YOU EVER SEE IT.
> > If you don't see a bug, you ship crap.
> >
>
> That applies for both native and cross-built. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE
> AN UNSEEN BUG MAY BE THERE REGARDLESS. It has happened in the past to
> OpenBSD and it may just happen a
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 07:10:02AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
>
> a bit of a disconnect with reality.
> You need your build done in half an hour rather than an hour?
> This argument line is nonsense. If you bought an amd64 to back up your
> Soekris box, you blew it.
>
That statement assumes too
Brett Lymn wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:09:42PM -0401, Nick Holland wrote:
>>
>> Let's see...what possibly fanless, low-power platforms do we have?
>>...
>> i386..ok, but you can native build on on Really Fast Stuff.
>>
>
> Uh huh... unless your Really Fast Stuff happens to be an amd64 b
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:09:42PM -0401, Nick Holland wrote:
>
> Let's see...what possibly fanless, low-power platforms do we have?
>...
> i386..ok, but you can native build on on Really Fast Stuff.
>
Uh huh... unless your Really Fast Stuff happens to be an amd64 box in
which case you are no l
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 08:28:05PM +0930, Brett Lymn wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 03:38:29PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
> >
> > If your machine is too slow to do what you need it to do, you need a
> > faster machine. Cross compiling is not the answer to your problem.
> >
>
> Not so Nick. The
>>> Brett Lymn 11-Jul-05 13:44 >>>
>
> And _all_ supported boot methods including network booting are tested?
Yes. That is one specific part of the pre-release testing we do.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 02:55:39PM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote:
>
> Understanding the answer to this question is the difference between
> having architectures that actually work and are used and architecutres
> that are "supported", meaning they are added to a long list.
>
... and the lack of a
Brett Lymn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Not cross compiling and actively discouraging cross compilation is why
> > all OpenBSD architectures are constantly stress tested and therefore
> > relatively stable while some other projects that shall not be named
> > don't even have working boot blocks
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 02:09:14PM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote:
>
> People with special needs also have the budgets to hire people who solve
> the problem for them. If you can't afford it - don't get yourself special
> needs.
>
and don't become a developer for one of the slower architectures...
Brett Lymn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Not so Nick. There may be some cases where you deliberately have a
> slow machine for reasons of power consumption/heat disappation,
> perhaps a fanless machine, you want to update. Or just that the
> fastest machine in the architecture you are targeting
On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 03:38:29PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
>
> If your machine is too slow to do what you need it to do, you need a
> faster machine. Cross compiling is not the answer to your problem.
>
Not so Nick. There may be some cases where you deliberately have a
slow machine for reason
Sean Brown wrote:
> On July 10, 2005 1:56 am, Tom Cosgrove wrote:
...
>> OpenBSD is an entire operating system, designed to
>> be built on OpenBSD - and not even cross-compiled on a different
>> processor architecture of the same operating system.
>
> Which would be all well and good if it wern't
On July 10, 2005 1:56 am, Tom Cosgrove wrote:
> >>> Maslan 10-Jul-05 08:16 >>>
> >
> > On 7/10/05, Maslan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Pain let u learn more, besides i've some extra time. i used to make
> > > my own LFS, and i missing this in BSD.
> > > but what things i should consifer when tr
On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 10:54:45AM +0100, Tom Cosgrove wrote:
>
> BSD (whether OpenBSD or any other flavor) is not Linux or anything else
> like that. It is a complete operating system, in use in production in
> many places.
>
No need to go to Hurd. NetBSD is able to be built on a foreign
oper
>>> Maslan 10-Jul-05 09:50 >>>
>
> Thanks alot
> for making it clear, gcc will be another problem.
> but sometimes u really need to cross-compile os on another one as in
> case of hurd.
Sigh. The Hurd home page says "GNU/Hurd.. is completely self-contained
(you can compile all parts of it using G
Thanks alot
for making it clear, gcc will be another problem.
but sometimes u really need to cross-compile os on another one as in
case of hurd.
On 7/10/05, Tom Cosgrove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Maslan 10-Jul-05 08:16 >>>
> >
> > On 7/10/05, Maslan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Pain let
>>> Maslan 10-Jul-05 08:16 >>>
>
> On 7/10/05, Maslan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pain let u learn more, besides i've some extra time. i used to make
> > my own LFS, and i missing this in BSD.
> > but what things i should consifer when trying so.
> > the compiler are almost the same gcc.
"Almos
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