Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Zachery Hostens wrote: according to a few people they have already sent diff's and nick has never said whether he recieved them or not. lets not speak for other mailboxes shall we ? On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:57:32 +08

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

according to a few people they have already sent diff's and nick has never said whether he recieved them or not. lets not speak for other mailboxes shall we ? On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:57:32 +0800, Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500 > Jeremy David <[EMAIL P

Re: #define failure opportunity

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:43:34 -0600 Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > That caused me to raise an eyebrow as well, but I think they refer > > to the protocol of scp(1) itself, not the SSH1/2 protocol of the > > underlying SSH session. The phrasing certai

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Jacob Meuser wrote: > > this is how the world works: ignore the whiners, they offer nothing > useful. Some irresistable "straight lines"?

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:30:05PM -0600, J Moore wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:29:36AM -0700, the unit calling itself Spruell, > Darren-Perot wrote: > > From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > > > It's

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

On 11/28/05, Tan Dang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had this problem of files not showing up on the fat partition > after moving the files over from ffs also. I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 > and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my > particular case, I put Windows XP

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Tan Dang wrote: I have had this problem of files not showing up on the fat partition after moving the files over from ffs also. I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my particular case, I put Windows XP into hibernation

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500 Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openbsd.org&charset=%28det > ect+automatically%29& > > There are 5 errors on the main page alone. And this is a *r

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:47:25PM -0600, Tan Dang wrote: > I dual boot OpenBSD 3.8 > and Windows XP on my laptop. Both os's share a fat partition. For my > particular case, I put Windows XP into hibernation mode and booted to > OpenBSD. I copied some ogg files from the ffs partition to the

Re: bios support for console redirection to the serial port

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:47:22 -0500 Kevin Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've read that Supermicro products are all standard hardware components > that do not lock you in to using Supermicro hardware for upgrades. Is > that generally agreed upon in here? I'm very happy with our Supermicro's so

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

On 11/28/05, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/05, frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > it shouldn't. you might get files landing in the wrong directory (i'm > > > not really sure this is possible either, but it's probably the worst > > > that could happen), but there s

Re: #define failure opportunity

Christian Weisgerber wrote: That caused me to raise an eyebrow as well, but I think they refer to the protocol of scp(1) itself, not the SSH1/2 protocol of the underlying SSH session. The phrasing certainly is confusing. I think you mean "misleading." :-) -- Matthew Weigel

Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system

On 11/27/05, frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it shouldn't. you might get files landing in the wrong directory (i'm > > not really sure this is possible either, but it's probably the worst > > that could happen), but there shouldn't be any real disk corruption. > > > i had files not

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:29:36AM -0700, the unit calling itself Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > > > >

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm using a mozilla 1.7 browser, with CSS on, >JavaScript off. And it doesn't run javascript. Outside my area of expertise, but that seems normal somehow. >The menus on the referenced cerealport.com web-site >don't expand at http://cerealport.com does not answer http://

Re: #define failure opportunity

On Monday 28 November 2005 04:04 pm, Theo de Raadt wrote: > This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. > > Other people do it for us ;) > > http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ > > And... thanks to those of you who supported us when they were > threatening to sue u

Re: #define failure opportunity

Chris Kuethe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >"...However, OpenSSH deviates from the standards in its SCP (Secure > Copy Protocol) implementation. > >SSH Tectia Client and Server now incorporate a compatibility mode > for OpenSSH SCP, which still uses > >the old Secure Shell version 1 (SS

Re: missing xserv38.tgz for sgi o2

X server support is listed in the projects section of the sgi port page: http://openbsd.org/sgi.html I suspect there isn't an open source xserver implementation for the O2 graphics. You might have luck building X from sources and using a PCI card. Dustin > I've installed 3.8 on an sgi o2. > All

Re: missing xserv38.tgz for sgi o2

> I've installed 3.8 on an sgi o2. > All seems to run but not the xserver. > I looked at the x386 dist and saw that > there is no xserv38.tgz for sgi. > > I've tried mirrors in de and sg without > success. > > Is there something special I should looking > for? There is no X server for the sgi ye

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:53:45AM -0800, the unit >calling itself J.C. Roberts wrote: I would assume that J.C. Roberts is a human, not a "unit", whatever that is supposed to imply. >> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:27:56 -0600, J Moore ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >I did

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

That did it! You are the greatest! *Thank you!* I remembered /etc/clamd.conf, but I forgot about /etc/smtp-vilter/clamd.conf -- I had it to 900, but the timeout was still commented! A slip of the finger... I checked the other clamd.conf and my sendmail about a million times, but I forgot about

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 28/11/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The idea has been mentioned in this thread that it's too difficult to > > > make websites work in multiple browsers and still be

missing xserv38.tgz for sgi o2

I've installed 3.8 on an sgi o2. All seems to run but not the xserver. I looked at the x386 dist and saw that there is no xserv38.tgz for sgi. I've tried mirrors in de and sg without success. Is there something special I should looking for? Thanks Karl-Heinz

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

On Tuesday 29 November 2005 00.00, Chris wrote: > Thank you for your response. > > I have tried this, incrementing C,S,R, and E (you didn't really say > which), and wound up increasing all of the to 15m. I also changed my > clamd.conf to 900 seconds as you suggested. > > Same thing happens. It qu

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 28/11/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not to mention the fact that most > > people think it's ugly. If that hurts someone's feelings then I'm sorry, but > > it does no one any favors to ignore errors and broken code. > > Call

Re: #define failure opportunity

On 28/11/05, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. > > Other people do it for us ;) > > http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ > --- The improved compatibility features will be beneficial for enterprises that are in th

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

Hi I have this in clamd.conf: StreamMaxLength 20M ArchiveMaxFileSize 15M Both default to 10 (in my installation, at least, which was from source off their website), though, and unless your attachment is an archive and ArchiveBlockMax is set, the second statement shouldn't hurt you. There is anot

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:53:45AM -0800, the unit calling itself J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:27:56 -0600, J Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I did think - I actually thought pretty carefully about what I said. I > >tried to avoid actually *calling* Nick the OpenBSD bitch;

Re: Clamd crapping-out?

Thank you for your response. I have tried this, incrementing C,S,R, and E (you didn't really say which), and wound up increasing all of the to 15m. I also changed my clamd.conf to 900 seconds as you suggested. Same thing happens. It quits after only about 45 seconds or so, stating clamd is not

Re: #define failure opportunity

On 28/11/05, Josh Grosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 03:04:45PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. > > > > Other people do it for us ;) > > > > http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ > > > > And... than

Re: #define failure opportunity

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 03:04:45PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. > > Other people do it for us ;) > > http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ > > And... thanks to those of you who supported us when they were > threatening

Re: #define failure opportunity

omg what a load of , to funny, any coporation stupid enough to fall for that story by ssh to buy Tectia ssh and not use openssh deserves to be taken for plus the security issues they will get. - article referenced- http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ smarter companies w

Re: Openbsd.org down?

Paulo Rodriguez wrote: > Hi guys, > > Subject says it all. Error: > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > > Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 > > Issues? > > P Seems up to me -- Best regards, Chris If several things that could have gone wrong h

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Re: Openbsd.org down?

now fixed. -Bob * Paulo Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-28 15:39]: > Hi guys, > > Subject says it all. Error: > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access / on this server. > > Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 > > Issues? > > P > -- | | |

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Just for the record, there are many, many silent users that have used OpenBSD and followed misc@ and other OpenBSD lists for years and years that are getting really tired of the handful of "common users" that keep clogging up these lists with total shit. While I feel people like me should read rat

what happend to http://www.openbsd.org/translation.html

Hi, at the moment I am reading the text of http://www.openbsd.org/translation-explained.html#Joining From here I wanted to go to http://www.openbsd.org/translation.html but this link gives me Not Found The requested URL /translation.html was not found on this server. Does anyone knows what happ

#define failure opportunity

This is why OpenBSD/OpenSSH does not need to hire a spin doctor. Other people do it for us ;) http://www.ssh.com/company/newsroom/article/684/ And... thanks to those of you who supported us when they were threatening to sue us years ago..

Openbsd.org down?

Hi guys, Subject says it all. Error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.openbsd.org Port 80 Issues? P

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Tobias Ulmer wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:03:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove "We welcome new contributors," because tha

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Sime Ramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13:28 Mon 28 Nov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > They welcome contributers. > > You are not a contributor. > > And it won't become one because of all the people on this mailing lists > with such attitude. > -- >

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Yes, Stop this flame fest, please. I think all the misc@ readers are tired. -David On 11/28/05, Paul Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the OpenBSD team is extremely focused on what they do best, > writing good code, and these irrelevant sideshows on things that don't > matter is incredi

Re: Strange output on cvsweb

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:26:46 +0100 Hans Kremers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I might be mistaken, but > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pci/ > lists only a single file, whereas my local source tree has lot's of them. > > Does look strange > > Best regards, > > Hans >

Re: I have $300

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 02:29:21PM -0500, Bob Ababurko wrote: > The alternative is to use a dual P3 that we have but I am still > interested in optimum availibility. Do I implement RAID 1 with two > drives.OR does this create more problems that it is worth by > introducing more parts to fai

Re: recurring network freeze using dc(4) with Netgear FA310TX

Replying to my own message from 20051126: In case anyone is interested, the problem seems to be related to the APM settings in the BIOS. Disabling APM altogether seems to have fixed the problem.

Strange output on cvsweb

Hi, I might be mistaken, but http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pci/ lists only a single file, whereas my local source tree has lot's of them. Does look strange Best regards, Hans

Re: CPU time off by a factor of two

intel powerstep or any other garbage -- try turning it off in the BIOS? cheers, scorch -- out of the frying pan and into the fire

Averatec 3250HX-01: Powernow-K7, ACPI, EHCI failures

I've installed the November, 27 snapshot on an Averatec 3250HX-01 with an Athlon XP-M processor and KM400 chipset. APM does not work, nor does ACPI, EHCI, or CPU throttling. Continued... OpenBSD 3.8-current (GENERIC) #274: Sun Nov 27 12:59:22 MST 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/c

Re: Theorical question on dual core vs single CPU in routing setup.

Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Henning Brauer wrote: * Daniel Ouellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-26 08:57]: Isn't it that all the routing changes anyway, either from BGPd or OSPFd are both ending in the PF table at the kernel level. That's what I understand

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On 11/28/05, Nick Holland ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> NAME ONE. >> Name one person. >> Name one browser. >> Name one problem. >> OR SHUT UP. > >I believe I've mentioned several problems in this >thread which occur >with several browsers. Said problems are not worth

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

I think the OpenBSD team is extremely focused on what they do best, writing good code, and these irrelevant sideshows on things that don't matter is incredibly annoying. Jeremy David wrote: On 11/28/05, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NAME ONE. Name one person. Name one browser. Nam

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

>>> frantisek holop 28-Nov-05 18:03 >>> > > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > > at least remove > "We welcome new contributors," > because that is clearly not true. It is true. Off the top o

Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO

Hi [at the risk of straying on-topic...] On misc@openbsd.org you said: > Dear list, especially Greg and Mickey, > > I've updated the working copy of the CCD Mirroring HOWTO. In particular, > I've split off the comparison to software RAID into a separate section > and clarified that ccd does no

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just wanted to point that your original argument was wrong. You said "fix > > it because it is broken for people", which is not true. > > I would say that it is. "Broken" doesn't necessarily mean that it > makes your browser crash. When y

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The idea has been mentioned in this thread that it's too difficult to > > make websites work in multiple browsers and still be valid. That idea > > is simply incorrect. Here's an example.

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

>3) Write it for an older release [...] > 4) Publish it, let it rot. amen to that. This message is essentially amplifying what Nick says, so please feel free to skip if documentation is not your thing. I may be somewhat biased, but looking at what google serves up for the keywords "OpenBSD fire

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

I think he did, too. That's why I don't understand Nick insulting the guy, and bashing his ideas. Clearly Nick's opinions don't mesh, but why would he pursue this cross-thread vendetta? The only result of this sort of behavior is that a potential contributor is alienated. You say contributor,

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Hi Nick, On 29/11/2005, at 4:36 AM, Nick Holland wrote: Unfortunately, I care about the work I do. I do read (or at least skim) every message (ok, almost every...I've started an "ignore" list of people who warrent not ever giving a response to) that goes through misc@, looking for a tidbit

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:03:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > > at least remove > "We welcome new contributors," > because that is clearly not true. >

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 13:28 Mon 28 Nov, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > They welcome contributers. > You are not a contributor. And it won't become one because of all the people on this mailing lists with such attitude. --

bge0 Broadcom BCM5751 fails

I don't know if this is an issue or not, but the latest 3.8-current doesn't let my bge0 card perform properly. (Yes, I know it's broadcom...) I'm not complaining, nor am I requesting anything; I just thought that I'd let somebody know. Thanks, Chuck Dmesg's follow: bge0 not working: Open

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)]

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 01:07:02PM -0500, Jeremy David wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jonathan Glaschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:00AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And that's exactly

Re: I have $300

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Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 29/11/2005, at 4:47 AM, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd doesn't mean it's right, does it? The OpenBSD project does not fix the broken browsers which visit the sit

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

misc@openbsd.org wrote: > >hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:35:57PM -0501, Nick >Holland said that >> NAME ONE. >> Name one person. >> Name one browser. >> Name one problem. >> OR SHUT UP. > >so small problems or "quirks" are not problems >anymore? >honestly Nick, go compare the code to the pages an

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto >Moerbeek said that >> It's even a FAQ: >http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > >at least remove >"We welcome new contributors," >because that is clearly not true. > They welcome contributers. You are not a co

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NAME ONE. > Name one person. > Name one browser. > Name one problem. > OR SHUT UP. I believe I've mentioned several problems in this thread which occur with several browsers. I suppose that I had hoped that the OpenBSD team would greet new id

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:27:56 -0600, J Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I did think - I actually thought pretty carefully about what I said. I >tried to avoid actually *calling* Nick the OpenBSD bitch; instead I >asked him if he was. Yeah - it's kind of a fine line... > Have you given up molest

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

Hi, This is getting real old. _CONTENT_IS_KING_ nothing else matters here. As Nick said it is about functionality. This .org is not about winning any website design awards.. It is about the OS goals set by Theo of OpenBSD. Browsers do whatever it is their developers/corps decide always writin

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:35:57PM -0501, Nick Holland said that > NAME ONE. > Name one person. > Name one browser. > Name one problem. > OR SHUT UP. so small problems or "quirks" are not problems anymore? honestly Nick, go compare the code to the pages and you should blush. > Validation is

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The website is hacky, invalid, and broken. > > > > > > broken?

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:03:08 +0100 frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > > at least remove > "We welcome new contributors," > because that is clearly

RE: Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto >Moerbeek said that >> It's even a FAQ: >http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > >doesn't mean it's right, does it? > Certainlly doesn't mean it's wrong. Almost certainly means it's OpenBSD What system were yo

Re: LOGIN FAILURES ON ttyC0

eric wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 12:59:18 +0100, Federico Giannici proclaimed... Isn't "ttyC0" the console? I'm sure that nobody is trying to log from the console... It is the first virtual terminal on x86 architectures. Logs don't lie, so you might want to track it down, or see if you're

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

From: frantisek holop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd > > at least remove > "We welcome new contributors," > because that is clearly not true. Sure, should be som

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The website is hacky, invalid, and broken. > > > > broken? which page? which browser? > > Hi. Thanks for joining the conversa

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Jonathan Glaschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:00AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And that's exactly the problem. > > Creating good html code means to me to look at the star

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd at least remove "We welcome new contributors," because that is clearly not true. -f -- the purpose of life is life with a purpose.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that > It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd doesn't mean it's right, does it? -f -- bigamy: too many wives. monogamy: see bigamy.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:29:43AM -0500, Jeremy David wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I assume it's because Nick is a VOLUNTEER that spends an unlimited > > amount of time keeping the site updated with CONTENT. He knows that > > no matter what design changes h

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:18:53AM -0800, the unit calling itself J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:37:56 -0600, J Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:24:03AM -0500, the unit calling itself Kenneth R > >Westerback wrote: > >> > > >> > And if it's the one-

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

Quoting steven mestdagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft wrote: > > >$ENV{'PATH'} = "/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin"; > > > > > >and that is where pwd_mkdb will be found. > > > > > > > > Hmm that doesn't answer my question. > > The answer I am lookin

RE: sent some www diffs, your one and last chance to flame me

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] >all or nothing. >make the pages match the quality of the code and >the cd's. >even if you don't care, other people do. I PAID for my CDs. I am happy with artwork, particularly the smirk on that puffer fish. I did not pay for the website. If I can stumble into the F

Another Business Case for Integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

Greetings, At the recent PacSec conference in Tokyo, I demonstrated how we can easily secure wireless networks with OpenBSD. This solution uses IPsec to protect the traffic between the wireless clients and the Access Points. Users authenticate using OpenSSH (authpf) before they are allowed acces

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 11:35:26AM -0500, the unit calling itself Jason Dixon wrote: > >Where did you get the idea that *I* wanted to bitch about the > >design? If > >you'll re-read my post a bit more carefully, I don't think you'll find > >anywhere that I said anything derogatory about the cur

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how > >useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of > >people. St

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:15:00AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how > >useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of > >

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Eric Faurot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The website is hacky, invalid, and broken. > > broken? which page? which browser? Hi. Thanks for joining the conversation, Eric. I appreciate your question, but I believe to cite a par

pfsync/carp via 2 ISP's

hey guys is there anyone here ever tried to put up a openbsd fail-over fw using 2 obsd boxes connected to 2 different ISP's ? something like: ISP1 (66.77.204.10) ISP2 (207.110.9.10) | fxp0 | fxp0 fwall0(firewall1-master) fwall1 (firewall2-b

Re: Filesystem redundancy

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:50:13PM +, Julian Smith wrote: > I'm not sure I fully understand exactly what AFS offers in this area, > but it comes with a lot of extra stuff that I don't need, and also seems > very complicated. > > I think I'll persevere with dupfs/LD_PRELOAD, and see how well i

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, simply as a matter of fact, it's actually untrue that the site is > functional. Functional for you? Maybe. For everyone? Not exactly. > > Check this out: > > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openbsd.org&charset=%28det >

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, J.C. Roberts wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how > >useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of > >people. Standards ar

Re: sent some www diffs, your one and last chance to flame me

Playing with a layout that works already is senseless, but I see value in cleaning up the HTML of the existing pages. On 11/28/05, frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:06 AM, J Moore wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 09:54:34AM -0500, the unit calling itself Jason Dixon wrote: I don't speak for Nick, but I imagine he probably feels a bit unappreciated when folks feel like nitpicking his "design", when that is probably not his job (certa

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:29:43 -0500, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There are 5 errors on the main page alone. That means that no matter how >useful the content on the website is, the code breaks down for a lot of >people. Standards are important. Where HTML is concerned, they're doubly s

sent some www diffs, your one and last chance to flame me

- Forwarded message from Alexander von Gernler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:50:57 -0700 (MST) From: Alexander von Gernler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: documentation/4920 Synopsis: empty tags in translation

Re: A question about the adduser.perl file

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:30:25PM +0100, Said Outgajjouft wrote: > >$ENV{'PATH'} = "/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin"; > > > >and that is where pwd_mkdb will be found. > > > > > Hmm that doesn't answer my question. > The answer I am looking for could be one of the following. > > 1. The PATH environm

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:54:34 -0500, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you want to bitch about the design, take it to the >ultimate arbitrator-- Theo, preferably OFFLIST. Theo is neither a trash compactor nor a baby sitter. He's just a talent guy who is kind enough to share his work an

Re: LOGIN FAILURES ON ttyC0

On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 12:59:18 +0100, Federico Giannici proclaimed... > Isn't "ttyC0" the console? I'm sure that nobody is trying to log from > the console... It is the first virtual terminal on x86 architectures. Logs don't lie, so you might want to track it down, or see if you're flubbing pass

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

On 11/28/05, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I assume it's because Nick is a VOLUNTEER that spends an unlimited > amount of time keeping the site updated with CONTENT. He knows that > no matter what design changes he wishes to make will undoubtedly be > shot down by Theo since the site

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