Just for the record, there are many, many silent users that have used
OpenBSD and followed misc@ and other OpenBSD lists for years and years
that are getting really tired of the handful of "common users" that keep
clogging up these lists with total shit.

While I feel people like me should read rather than post opinions and
requests for change on this list, I'm so tired with non-devs making
STUPID posts that make it seem as all non-devs are total morons that
don't deserve support or even to run this OS.  

However, my request is a new mailing list for these people.  
I think we need [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm not in the I.T. industry but use it for a home router/firewall as a
learning experience.  I'm so, so happy with the way things are run that
I just had to post this.  Nick or anybody else that seems closed to
input is 100% correct in my opinion on this and other recent issues.
Not because I'm trying to kiss up, nobody here knows who the hell I am,
or could care less... and that's the way it should be!  When you get a
reply of something to the effect of "it's the way it's going to be"
perhaps, that's why this project is better than the others.  If you
don't feel it is better, then why are you wasting your time with an OS
that's sub-standard?  You're not trying to make things better by doing
this; you're trying to gain attention/respect in a way that is
non-deserving in the eyes of this poster.  

"Put up or shut up" doesn't mean to clog the system with un-needed crap
that you think will gain you points.

This anger is the result of many, many threads that have appeared lately
and not in any why just a reply to this one.

End of rant.

Mike

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