On 11/28/05, Jeremy David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I just wanted to point that your original argument was wrong. You said "fix 
> > it because it is broken for people", which is not true.
>
> I would say that it is. "Broken" doesn't necessarily mean that it
> makes your browser crash. When you look at www.openbsd.org in lynx,
> every page has a bunch of links at the top that you have to scroll
> through endlessly in order to get to the content. It looks nice in
> Firefox, but not in browsers that a lot of people use, especially the
> kinds of people who want to use OpenBSD. For those people who use
> lynx, www.openbsd.org is a frustrating challenge to navigate.

Humm,  we are certainly not looking at the same site. _Only_ the root page
has that menu, and that makes sense, since it is the useful content of that
page. I think it is very usable with lynx.

> Similarly for the blind who use a text reader to read them the content
> on the web page, lists are not identified as such in the code, and
> therefore someone using an alternative way of getting information from
> the web can't find what they're looking for without a lot of
> frustration. Saying that it works for me OK right now is simply not
> good enough.

As it has been said several times in more or less polite terms, saying it is not
working for someone without pointing to a "real problem" is not good enough.

> Well, I believe that fixing it right the first time will save you some
> panic and further problems in the future.

But it will waste time now and introduce other problems.
Panic is a bit strong. The world will not collapse when an hypothetic
brand-new browser will not show the openbsd site correctly.

> The idea has been mentioned in this thread that it's too difficult to
> make websites work in multiple browsers and still be valid. That idea
> is simply incorrect. Here's an example. http://www.cerealport.com/?p=8

- the white text is difficult to read because of the lack of constrast with
  the image in background.
- why do I have to click on the menu entry to expand them? what about
  the accessibility?
- the overal look is not much better than the openbsd site.

> I believe that fixing it now will get the content of openbsd.org,
> which is superb, into the minds of everyone who is looking for it, now
> and in the future.

It also conforts people who think all that glitters is gold, instead
of encouraging
critical thinking.

Eric.

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