Hi Les or Louis: how are search functions changed now?
Thx Hari Kumar
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Indeed Mark - if everyone could afford a heavily state-sponsored education at
higher levels might be a good thing.. No?!
I was a beneficiary of the Glory days of the so-called UK 'Welfare State' -
before Mrs Thatcher killed it. The state paid me a 'full grant' including
living expenses/rent... A
I'm not quite sure what Charlie is driving at honestly.
In any case two points to make.
(1) Methodology:
As to 'correlation proves nothing' - to some extent I agree.
As I had pointed out recently to Mark B on this list, 'association is not
casual'. (Jan 26 #28630)
I am a great proponent of rando
On the MM list - It was deemed unacceptable that 'green spaces' had any health
utility and this was simply "a pathetic liberal "anti-racism." (Charlie Feb 14
#28897).
While no single measure short of revolutionary change will fundamentally alter
what are called the 'social determinants of hea
Sorry - minor correction:
Not sure what happened, but "cigarette something" should obviously have been
'cigarette smoking'.
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This was in 'The Bullet, and is entitled:
"It Is Dark Before the Dawn, But Israeli Settler Colonialism Is At an End", at
https://socialistproject.ca/2024/02/dark-before-dawn-israeli-settler-colonialism-end/#more";.
It comes from the Canadian 'Socialist Project' and was reprinted from the
'Islamic
After MIA was forced to drop the CW pieces it had put up, it was a little
thinner on M&E.
The full works were availabe in German, but they were not easily navigable.
Today by chance while looking for a specific reference, I found there was
another on-line source ->
https://wikirouge.net/texts/en/
Marv:
Thks for Fred Weir's report.
Navalny was in the same bucket as prior supporters of Western imperialism:
"For Navalny is the second wave of Western capitalists’ attempted break into
Russia. Of Navalny, Khodorkovsky is on record as saying “We are allies“. [13]
at "https://www.theleftberlin.co
Charlie:
I had great respect for David Romagnalo - (unsure of spelling).
(Do you know if he is still alive? His old email addresses have not elicited
any reply for about 10 years).
In any case, the problem with the site right now as regards Marx - is that it
is far from complete.
It is organised
Ah - Many thanks Jim.
I did not appreciate that at all. Very helpful.
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Thx David.
I think David R did a great service for the movement. As did another David - a
Walters by name.
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One further view on Navalny's death. Not too different form what has already
been expressed in some prior.
Notes Navalny was a racist, and a likely pawn of Western capital - but that he
had established an anti-Putin opposition (reasonably large given the
circumstances) movement. His death was no
https://jacobin.com/2024/02/biden-administration-gaza-israel-war
See above.
Not that this is a new debate, anywhere in fact - but including this list.
However the extraordinary contortions of the Biden Govt on the genocide taking
place - right now - are amazing and alarming, and sad etc etc.
Thx Marv. Of course you are right, I did miss that.
However -does not the substantive question remain?
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Hello Marv:
While there is truth in what you say, it is only a half -isn't it? I was
"mis-educated" (!) to search for :
i) The objective factor(s), and (ii) The subjective factors. (Which certainly
for my part, I accept the version of Lenin as seen in a party).
Surely - you would accept that both
As I understand it, the great Miner's Strike - is I think, a perfect example of
where John Reimann is quite right in his laying huge responsibility on corrupt
TU bureaucracies. The so-called Triple Alliance leaders of the Transport
workers and Rail workers never came through - and left the Miner
You know - depending on what day or time or whatever other condition - Louis
was pretty capricious about this "banning". Even I was so ruled if I recall
right. It was not exactly a mark of an 'honoured' select Club.
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Marv wrote:
"3. It's at its lowest ebb not because we don't follow the advice you and
others freely dispense about how to resurrect it but because of the effects of
automation, globalization, atomization, and the fragmentation of work in a
service economy which has sharply reduced the size, conf
Marv:
Thanks for your these remarks.
You rightly put the question right back - "What in your view accounts for
Western capitalism’s resilience? Why hasn’t it exhausted its historic capacity
for growth and produced immiseration of such depth and breadth that the masses
would of necessity have to
Charlie: Do you think that Marx would simply say - "Well, you'd better just
read my "Volume 2 of Capital" to respond to honest different interpretations of
similar data?
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I thought this was an interesting reflection on 'We've been there, done
that'... but... we'll have to do it all over again.
Negotiations in 2022, sabotaged by (i) Zelensky idiocy and Ukrainian
nationalist fervour (ii) Western goading (including that joke Boris Johnson).
All in tune with an init
Hello David:
I am puzzled as to what the distinction between 'local' struggles and 'national
campaign' was about. Can you help me please?
And the "red union" - the RWDA - how did this start? Was it a de nouveau
organisation? Was it a split from an existing bureaucratic type of TU - what
was it
Marv: Maybe he was not hit on the head... (I wonder who has really seen the
post-mortem data and who ultimately performed the autopsy)
Yes, maybe there was a clot in the head. But - that does not come from nowhere
either. He had been systematically slow-tortured for years. Cold, isolation,
tiny
I think I get it - You really, really, ... I mean really... hate Marv.
Evidenced by your constant Marv-bashing.
Whether I am tired or not - this of course is of no concern to you, I fully get
that also.
But perhaps others here share my wanting discussion to move beyond your
one-note positions.
Thank you Steven.
Also at the Guardian is a short clip of George Galloway's victory speech -
('This is for Gaza' - at Rochdale (see video link at below link
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/01/george-galloway-wins-rochdale-byelection).
A wee measure of what Starmer might be up agai
Hah! I should have waited till I had digested the Martin Rowson cartoon. I mean
it is a good one.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/mar/01/martin-rowson-rochdale-byelection-result-cartoon
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Charlie - Thanks, I did not know that.
The mention of 'deputy' status came up on the wiki page prior referenced.
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In my reading, there were two diametrically opposed views:
i) That there was no biological substratum for gender variation;
ii) That there was only biological substratum for gender - that the rest was
'identity choice'.
Roughly the first position has often been put by some activists.
The second p
Dear David:
You do make an excellent point - as (almost!) always. Or at least - if one can
for now reject the term 'religious'. I do agree that sects are a major problem
on the organised left-in-parties-right-now. As far as I can tell, my behaviour
since I was 20 or so has not been sect-like and
Why do people here think that a unanimous vote at the Supreme Court dismissed
claims that despite apparently being an 'insurrectionist' Trump is able to
stand? Well they set aside completely the matter of whether or not he was so.
FWIW Robert Reich's article does not help me (see below).
https://
Whoops - Mark B kindly advised me that the right link to the Robert Reich was
here:
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-most-troubling-aspect-of-todays?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=365422&post_id=142298742&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=17xgfq&triedRedirect=true&u
As noted before, he has built a base. I had quibbled about whether it was a
'mass' base or not.
He may be on his way.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/04/george-galloway-workers-party-far-left-challenges-to-labour
The huge reservoir of discontent with the Tories in the UK, coupled wi
Hello Charlie:
Indeed, very difficult - should one say likely impossible (?)- questions to
answer.
Engels talks a little about in 'Origins of the F,PP & S".
But gives no data.
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Hello Bidai:
Re:
"you wrote " for those who believe there was a socialist state in the ussr up
until 1953"
Do you mean the maoists? In 1953 Stalin died and Beria drew the short straw.
Everyone else shed some tears and went back to work. That's about it, or did I
miss something?"
Reply:
So not
I want to thank all commentators - each had interesting points. I'll pick and
choose what I reply to - for lack of being able to do justice to all.
Mark:
(i) Thank you.
You rightly point out the birth-sec order of siblings.
I had left this out - but you are right, it is an important piece in any
DA:
Your comments are very kind but over-generous.
Your story of a woman holding onto her self/being/self-image etc - despite
ravages of dementia is very moving and tells a story. Thanks.
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Thank you David.
Not sure who might want to publish it. But I will think on't.
Will need a sharp knife, ie severe pruning.
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Sorry Les et al: Can't quite see how to re-label this strand, but we are a long
way from biology here.
Duen Filan writes: "Russia's state owned assets were sold off after the USSR
dissolved."
Response:
Well 'formally' that is correct... bringing that date up to the Gorbachov era.
So if I see yo
I felt like Saman - FWIW.
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Well as if we did not know. But the detail of how the Mrs Thatcher broke the
assets of the NUM was not clear at the time.
Anyway, don't under-estimate the lengths that *they* will go to.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/07/mi5-miners-strike-national-archives-security-service-gove
Thanks Mark.
This all fits truly into the pattern of the Adrenal-Hypothamalmic pituitary
(brain) axis (so-called).
Chronic stress - literally 'moulds' the brain.
Lots of data about childhood outcomes, the nYT article highlights even longer
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Hi Marv.
I have not yet gone over your Piketty reference, and I intend to do that, and
likely at the same time - digest Chris Slee's points. It may take me some time.
But it does seem to me that the sell-off of the rural Machine Tractor Stations
- is a clear indicator of a major change of course,
Thanks Jay. Your comment got me to go back to a fascinating book that I oncwe
devoured (and promptly forgot obviously!) - but now dip into from time to time
- S.S.Prawer's "Karl Marx & World Literature" (Oxford, 1978).
Prawer there makes the same point that you made to use. Although in a more so
This is long, but it very articulately outlines how 'affirmative action' has
been disembowelled for those whom it was originally intended for, into
'diversity'. A very good history by Nikole Hannah-Jones - who led the 1619
project. She gives an excellent short summary in the *first* link below -
Hello Marv:
I have been looking over what I believe are some of the relevant data to this
discussion. I did not want any appearance left, that I am in agreement with
where the discussion drifted to, after the initial comments.
I have not finished, in especial I should add - I have not gone over
Marv:
Mussolini did *not* have a militant movement to crush - the Turin workers
movement was already crushed. The other two fascists are in a different
category in regards to that.
Of course it is more likely that a rising working class movement will induce
such a right-wing fascist turn, but i
Good am Marv:
I am not saying Mussolini was a 'good guy' - there may be a misunderstanding.
I think (maybe wrong and misunderstanding you here) that you were saying
fascism is brought in by the bourgeoisie at a time that its' bourgeois 'normal'
channel rule of bourgeois democracy is threatened i
Good a.m. David:
So on the (admittedly rather long) quotation from 'The Communist League' I gave
to discuss with Marv my take on Italian fascism. I always will have time for
Clara/Klara Zetkin - and I will look her comments out, in the text by Ridell
you suggest. Thank you. I have found Zetkin's
Forgive me, this is rather late in the strand.
But for Michael M & Stephen C - you have what I feel are rather similar
objections to the general discourse in this strand at the least.
Michael asks: "Can you define what you mean by this question "Are workers even
partially in CONTROL?"
but Steven
But isn't a refutation... is surely required with such a blunt comment?
Of course the original source I think was not given by Charlie. Charlie...?
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I mean I realise we are not in the British Houses of Parliament (thank god!),
where the use of such a word leads the wielder of that tongue to be 'banished'.
But even so, even amongst us Marxists - the accusation of a 'lie' is serious
Vladimiro.. No?
You will say I am ridiculously old-fashioned.
Hi Chris: Yes thank you. The serious decline in health year expectancy from the
1970s onwards through to about 2000 was indisputable and many epidemiologists
noted it. I think we are completely in agreement there. Your data here
indicates a decline from about 1960 which I had not been previously
Oh - and alcoholism. It has been a particular problem antedating the Soviet
era. In the years after 1980 a biography by Tracey Kidder on Dr. Paul Farmer
detailed his years working on AIDS in the former USSR. There the interrelation
between alcoholism and addictions and HIV is discussed. I will h
Surely - the Israeli government are using this rape charge to justify to the
external world their "mission" to kill/starve/force into dispossessed exile all
Palestinians - known to the Israeli cabinet as 'animals'? And - to 'motivate'
their own population with an even greater blood-lust.
To poin
Hi Marv:
So you are waiting to see if convinced Leninists of 'either tendency" will
admit there was a "historically premature mistake".
But - for my part I (at least I think that I did) have already had conversation
with you on this list - about 1-2 months ago, where I raised that this was a
p
Thank you Steven. I had looked for that quote earlier in this strand but had
failed to find it.
More quotes from Lenin on 'municipalisation' against the Mensheviks and
Plekhanov are also relevant, although less so.
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Good a.m.
First off - I must and do apologise for any possible intemperance in my
language yesterday. If there was any - it would have been to both Marv and
Michael.
I will confess I was irritated! But thankfully I seemed on review of my own
message, to be just asking questions - albeit in an u
And also, relevant through this whole discussion, I found a useful volume from
the 1990s past lurking in my shelf.
"Why Market Socialism?" Voices from Dissent. Frank Roosevelt, & David Belkin
Eds.Armonk, NY; 1994.
It contains very interesting essays by such as the like of Michael Harrington
but
Hi Michael:
Over the years I have - but certainly not all of his oeuvre. And I need to
re-read what i had done years ago in Soc One Cntry etc. In fact I am working
thru' his works as I can get them, from about half way thru'.
Of course they are out of print, and un-blessedly expensive now.
His wo
Dear Marv:
I gauged that this was the central question you wanted me to address. You will
naturally, correct me - and re-direct me - if i have so mis-identified.
This will of necessity be an inadequate response, but a full response with
references and sub-themes, will take too long. Such a work i
Hi John:
1. There are to me, some problems of your counsel that those supporting
Palestine should simply keep quiet on these questions. Obviously it is the
Palestinians who will at some stage pass their own judgment on the Hamas. And
that will trump others. But even before the October assault ca
Hello Marv:
I am not surprised at your overall response of course, and no doubt you were
not by my own.
I am however surprised at this: "whatever our present differences -say, over
Ukraine - if we worked at it we could hope to narrow them."
So I confess I had not appreciated any such divergenc
Thank you for posting this Jim.
Do you - or does anyone know -
What is defined as 'anti-semitic' when its use is as follows "The spike in
antisemitism since Oct. 7 follows a pattern. Five years ago, a study by the
political scientist Ayal Feinberg using data from 2001 and 2014 found that
repor
Hello Michael:
I am sorry for having been delayed, I genuinely had some matters that needed
urgently dealing with.
Partly for length, and partly for time - This will be a 2 part reply to two
specific issues you note (in Michael Meeropol Mar 19 #29557). This the first
part, and the second par
Thanks again. I see the paper is after the IHR promulgated definitions. Its'
author acknowledges the bias in the data from the anti-Defamation League. But
also the broader inclusion of acts, moving into expressed opinions. Likely that
has escalated even more by now, as your original citation to
You are correct: Here is a NYT free link.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/world/europe/08putin.html?ugrp=u&unlocked_article_code=1.e00.VEBV.nGg0W1E-68n4&smid=url-share
But I would say what you wouls expect me to Michael:
Namely that no less than Khrushchev, Putin is not a reliable historical s
Thx Marv. I found on a (to) quick read that it is somewhat tricky to interpret.
Unequivocally it seems that:
"The continued and consistent support for Hamas’ offensive despite significant
changes in public attitudes during the past three months, including a
significant decline in Hamas’ populari
Good morning Michael:
So I suppose there is never a perfect time, with all going on. I did not quite
have enough time to completely re-do a full literature search. But - if not
now, it won't happen - so I will plop down what I have come to in my mind. So
on Tukhachevsky (in some sources Tukhache
Thanks Steve:
I was going to ask something, which is very similar to the lines of Esteban as
well.
I have been for some time, been dealing with the Asian Mode of Production in
relation to particular states.
I have been very struck by this remark from Marx:
"“In all forms of society there is one
Marv:
Sorry but I am confused.
You write: "In an age of finance capitalism, what significance to attach to
the fact that China’s financial system is state-owned and controlled?"
Surely that statement re-framed can be inverted, to apply to the USA - making
the distinction you pose (between 'state
Thx Marv.
Still trying to understand your position.
It seems that you do not accept that the Sate is the executive body of the
ruling class - which in the USA - represents the leading top fraction of
private owners of society. Or what am I missing?
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As Charles points out the German state's approach to all this has been very
problematic.
A fascinating insight from A dam Tooze - cites much data on the *nodal* point
of Merkel's government:
"The speech is important to the current moment, because in it Merkel declared
that Israel’s security was
Hi Marv.
I am sure you have all this in mind already. But maybe worth a short moment to
put down.
Perhaps there are certainly reasons why they may be directly helpful to the
working class - short of what most of us would consider a true socialism.
But there are also at least three reasons, why
Hey Marv: I have not quite hit those spots that you note here. I do have some
thoughts on this particular comment. But I am right now cooking supper and I
cannot do more tonight! Am tired I fear, so will strategically retreat - Ars
long Vitae brevis perhaps, or a day-to-day version of the phras
1. The anti-Japanese United Front
In January 1935, at an enlarged meeting of the Political Bureau of the
Communist Party of China held during the famous 'Long March' at Tsunyi in
Kweichow Province,
"A new Central Committee headed by Comrade Mao Tse-tung."
(Note to: Mao Tse-tung: 'Selected Works',
Good a.m. Marv.
There are several aspects you have focused upon to aid my reply.
I will first of all say that some of the ground here was - as you have noted
also - been covered in a series of correspondences in Marxmail earlier
(messages starting I thikn with Richard Fidler at 09/06/21 #11159
Marv asks: "The answer I'm looking for more relates to the PRC where, as you
know, I believe there to still be some continuity through the CPC with the 1949
revolution which overthrew capitalism. I believe you, Charlie, and perhaps Dan
and others see the PRC as "state capitalist" in the same way
Hello Marv:
These are picking up several points you have made. I have not particularly
systematised my responses except in order of your mentioning them.
First - You have asked us to consider whether recent history "call(s) into
question why many of us spent a lifetime organizing and agitating f
How do we do that and when Barry? Immediately after the revolution? Is there a
transition period? What happens in the transition period? How does exchange of
goods-commodites (?what do you call them now in this new state?) take place?
How does everyone not end up making hammocks or beer? Can the
Charlie: See
https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
On a worker whose diligence was hounded.
"Suicide Mission - What Boeing did to all the guys who remember how to build a
plane
BY MAUREEN TKACIK MARCH 28, 2024".
All of these links to what is happening are very informative. I found these two
that linked to Neve Gordon, particularly stark. The concept of a population
level of calorie intake just above "minimal" needed, that is then choked off if
the population gets uppity, was especially chilling.
Thank y
As I frame this as a hypothesis - it is clearly thus far speculative.
However:
The signs look to me as if the Israeli government has tried to provoke the
Iranian government into a fully fledged war. Israel took the step to illegally
(by international law) attack and kill the Iranian members of di
https://mlrg.online/articles/
-> https://mlrg.online/world/israels-provocation/
By the way Michael Karadjidis:
Thanks very much for the references on the Haifa port.
Updating it - it maybe that China has in fact interrupted their support for
China. Their investment was as you had said quite major
Seems a retrospective under way in NYC at least.
A short review. Misses out a couple of his more overtly political ones.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/movies/ken-loach-movies.html?ugrp=u&unlocked_article_code=1.lk0.Lwnh.ywLeFn63GVkm&smid=url-share
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I believe that in general that was the argument of the I.S. (UK)_Michael Kidron
- something like 'the Permanant Arms Economy".
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A tense contrary position between Netanyahu and Baerbock in Jerusalem.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/israel-annalena-baerbock-und-benjamin-netanjahu-geraten-heftig-aneinander-a-90e5c7cf-7eb3-4f49-8ef5-0cf0d2854d1b
Baerbock was arguing for more aid into Gaza, and Netanyahu was arguing
Wow - Lucky you! As was Marv to hear Inti-Illimani.
The Rome concert must have been very powerful.
The 'People's Composer' he was called. I think taking over from Aaron Copeland
- at least in the USA. We've had a few 'People's Composers' - including Ludwig
Beethoven and Amadeus Mozart.
Be well.
Today's NYT article amounts to a deconstruction of the posturing of all
relevant State players - a bit more clearly than the main media has been to
date.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/world/middleeast/israel-iran-war-strike.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mU0.TWkn.14Y2mE3RIxr1&smid=url-share
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Michael M:
Honestly, I was hesitant about wading into the national question matter that
you raised. Because it is an incredibly complex matter which starts from the
definition of 'what is a nation?". This postulate as expressed here, will
inevitably spark differences. None will be easily resolva
In Ukraine, big companies, the Pentagon - are refining new methods to kill - NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/us/politics/ukraine-new-american-technology.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mk0.-SXC.iWNKNkXwqYjp&smid=url-share
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As laid out by Adam Tooze. Includes a great simple chart from Columbia
University Apartheid Divest.
https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-279-columbia-universitys?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=192845&post_id=144036886&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=17xgfq&triedRe
Hello Alan: I agree incredibly detailed. The last flow chart is an ancestor of
the one Tooze showed. Also clear that it must have been a lot of work to put
that together. Even today doing that (with the net ie.) is not straightforward.
I think you might consider sending that pamphlet to Tooze.
Be
Sorry cannot get that link to work for some reason. Same topic at 'Guardian'
today:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/30/george-galloway-workers-party-election-candidates-monty-panesar
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/30/george-galloway-workers-party-election-candidat
As we see Colombian protesters about to be "cleared" by the riot police, it is
difficult to be optimsitc about the chances for Biden. But long way to go.
In meantime one aspect of Juan Cole's piece that struck me was this on the
contrast between what Israel does in Gaza - and their proven abilit
Adam Tooze witnessed the events in NYC, and puts it into a broad framework.
Thus far I have only been on his free e-list. I think I might actually
subscribe. Some short clips :
"there in front of us on the street was the state manifesting in a primitive
battle for control of space. Burly officer
Very revealing in my view. It certainly reinforces how difficult it will be to
get to a "one state" solution in the short term.
We have had some discussion about this here, but it has been somewhat
superficial I think, upon reflection.
As some indications are that a 'joint' supervision of areas
Hello John: Can you tell me again - excuse my thickness, but what are the exact
benefits not voting for Biden? Other of course than massaging one's own
self-righteousness?
Hari
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Mark:
I agree with the basic sentiment that you raise: A worry about agent
provocateurs.
However, in the situation that developed you can likely understand how happy
the encampments were to get the support. And how difficult it was perhaps to
'ask for credentials'.
But - I had the same reactio
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