Erik:
>> >> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark. I've wondered
>> >> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping.
>> >> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
>> >> TC
>> >>
>>
> universal to the system? Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac
Hi.
I'm pleased to tell you all that I managed to get the track commander pad
working at last. Voice over semi colon, flick and it turned the track pad on.
Unlock it, then have a play with it, voice over semi colon, to lock the thing
and flick and it went off! Thanks so much for all your hel
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:36 -0700, "M. Taylor" wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On my MacBookPro, I've been using various areas of the TrackPad to bring
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> various a
Hello Kawal,
If using the Trackpad Commander doesn't suit you, just use one of the other
methods of piloting VoiceOver. Apple has given us the standard VoiceOver
commands that use the Control and Option keys, and 3 possible Commanders. Not
every computer has the ability to be used with all 3 co
t; >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:36 -0700, "M. Taylor" wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On my MacBookPro, I've been using various areas of the TrackPad to
> >>>
;> up
>>>>>> various applications; for example, 2-finger double-tapping the bottom of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> TrackPad to launch the Dock or tapping the upper part of the TrackPad to
>>>>>> bring up the Apple Menu.
>>>>>
or tapping the upper part of the TrackPad to
> >>>> bring up the Apple Menu.
> >>>>
> >>>> Saves a lot of time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> Get to know yourself as you ge
ckPad to launch the Dock or tapping the upper part of the TrackPad to
>>>> bring up the Apple Menu.
>>>>
>>>> Saves a lot of time.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
>&g
.
> >>
> >> Saves a lot of time.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
> >> Marcus
> >> Live Talk Show
> >> http://candleshore.com/secrets
> >
as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
>> Marcus
>> Live Talk Show
>> http://candleshore.com/secrets
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>&g
rtson
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
> > and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I
dleshore.com/secrets
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on
that reminds me of a story my Apple trainer told me yesterday. The geks were
working on someone'sM computer, and the mouse wasn't available. So one of them
was going to go get a usb mouse. MY trainer, who got certified in VOiceover
was able to accomplish the task using VO keyboard commands.
universal to the system? Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>>
>> Well, actually, there are a hu
t;> Erik:
>> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands are
>> universal to the system? Carolyn
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2
I think they meant control option D which takes you to the Doc.
hth
On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> Oh wow interesting. I'll have to play with it. I still don't see how command
> option d can work. it does not for me not at all. It hit it from anywhere and
> nothing happens.
Oh wow interesting. I'll have to play with it. I still don't see how command
option d can work. it does not for me not at all. It hit it from anywhere and
nothing happens.
I'll have to try the number commander as well. I thought it was impossible as I
don't have a mac full-sized keyboard with a
PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been
using.
That is the key stroke to take you to the Apple menu. Control-F3 takes yo
Hello,
Control f2 takes you to the menu bar, control f3 takes you to the doc.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Control f2 did not take me to the dock when I just tried it. It took me to
> the menu bar. And command option d does nothing at all. So to get to the
> dock, the vo com
e commands are
> universal to the system? Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Well, actually, there are a huge array of
Control f2 did not take me to the dock when I just tried it. It took me to the
menu bar. And command option d does nothing at all. So to get to the dock, the
vo command is what is working. I am going to check out that list of commands
that the accessibility folks posted, though, to see if there
>>> Erik:
>>> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands
>>> are universal to the system? Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: erik burggraaf
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent
Thanks Esther,
Here, I'm interested in all manner of approaches because I have to teach the
system, and different things work better for different people. All in all
though, I have to streamline things as much as possible to suit my audience.
My most recent mac client for example is 72. Now,
actually vo shift d can get to your finder desktop with all of your drives and
files and aliases you have set but yes I do use both keystrokes.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 2:13 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> That would be command shift C for computer. Dang! I have learned a lot
> about mac os today.
>
>
Hi,
I completely agree with Anne here about the value of using standard
Mac shortcuts. Just a few comments on suggesting shortcuts: there are
still a number of users on list who use earlier versions of VoiceOver
-- a few even still use Tiger. It can be important to tell people if
you kn
That would be command shift C for computer. Dang! I have learned a lot about
mac os today.
Best,
Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
Toll-free: 888-255-5194
On 2010-06-03, at 5:02 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> exactually I just can't remembe them all.
exactually I just can't remembe them all. Grins!Command shift d does go to the
desltip folder but not the finder desktip that lists all of your drives.tha'ts
a little something to note.
S
On Jun 3, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been
> using.
That is the key stroke to take you to the Apple menu. Control-F3 takes you to
the Dock.
Control-F8 takes you to the Status menus.
Command-Shift-D takes you to
rik:
>> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands are
>> universal to the system? Carolyn
>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM
> Erik:
>>>> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark. I've wondered
>>>> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping.
>>>> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
>>>> TC
>>>>
>
Hi,
I found the dock shortcut here.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LDD9psiU0agJ:www.dummies.com/how-to/content/mac-os-x-snow-leopard-keyboard-shortcuts.html+keyboard+shortcut+dock+snowleopard&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
I've also discovered in the mac OS 10 basics section of the
Hi,
If you're looking for a list of basic Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts, you can find
it here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343.
Thank you as well for the other feedback that came in in this string. Good for
us to take back to the team internally.
Apple Accessibility
On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:1
Hi Eric,
Your point about not doubling up on existing Mac keyboard shortcuts makes a lot
of sense. So, the obvious question, is there a list of such shortcuts in one
place? I found one once, but it has a lot of truly esoteric stuff in it that
I'd never heard of, much less that I would use. No, I
sal to the system? Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating syst
>>> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
>>> TC
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: erik burggraaf
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 201
rggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>>
>> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the
voiceover curser. Then when you reach the botto
>> Of course this might be possible at the minute, and I've just missed the
>> options to let me do it.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Dónal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.
*
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Dónal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
>> Sent: 03 June 2010 12:44
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.co
Sarah Alawami
> Sent: 03 June 2010 12:53
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Oh I do that but it is eritating that you cannot use the shft key when the
> lock is on.
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
superb that I'm probably being
> particularly picky. *smile*
>
> Cheers
>
> Dónal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
> Sent: 03 June 2010 12:44
> T
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
> Sent: 03 June 2010 12:53
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Oh I do that but it is eritating that you cannot
riginal Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: 03 June 2010 12:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
Oh I do that but it is eritating that you cannot use the shft ke
Oh I do that but it is eritating that you cannot use the shft key when the lock
is on.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Actually, in some windows like the Voiceover Utility dialog, you can actually
> just hit VO-FN-left/right arrow. If you want to use the Shift key
Cheers
>
> Dónal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
> Sent: 03 June 2010 12:44
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 03 June 2010 12:44
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating s
in response to Mark. I've wondered
>> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping.
>> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
>> TC
>>
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To:
Hi,
Actually, in some windows like the Voiceover Utility dialog, you can actually
just hit VO-FN-left/right arrow. If you want to use the Shift key in all
windows to make sure you get to the top, though, just use your right hand to
hold the shift key like I'm doing.
I feel mostly safe using t
ingers on my left hand!:)
> > TC
> >
> > Carolyn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: erik burggraaf
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Ma
- Original Message -
From: Kimberly thurman
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
I've also found my self playing finger twister with the left hand. If I
could find any faults with VO it woul
010 2:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the
voiceover curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box,
pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to th
af
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the voiceover
> curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog bo
; I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
> TC
>
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
&
: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>
> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the voiceover
> curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dia
isionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the voiceover
curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, pressing vo
right arrow will take you right back
Lol,
Well put.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:05 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the voiceover
> curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, pressing vo
> right arrow will take you right back to the top. Similarly, if you ar
Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the voiceover
curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, pressing vo
right arrow will take you right back to the top. Similarly, if you are at the
top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom.
The i
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