Hi David, would you mind sending your observations, regarding your experience
to accessibil...@apple.com... To excuse a bad pun, this appears to be a blind
spot for them, and your commentary won't help your good self, but may be useful
for future revisions and different approaches to low-vision
Hi David,
May I suggest you right apple at accessibil...@apple.com if you haven't already
done so? I think they would find your feedback useful. They are very
responsive to suggestions. This might further your cause and help someone out
in your position in the future.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 7:4
Hi all,
Just a brief update on my switch.
After spending the past day and a half tweaking and testing every
display and accessibility setting that I could find, I had to admit
defeat this morning and return the Mac Mini to the store.
The problem is that the white on black feature simply does
Uh oh, get ready to drink the coolade. You've made a good move if for nothing
else new gadgets are always a good thing and Apple is very good at gadgets.
Leaving blindness out of it, it's cool technology and cool technology is always
a good thing. Back on blindness it's nice that with Apple p
Not yet but it's in the works.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> I only put the logo on when it fits. Does the android stuff have
> accessibility that is comparable?
> On 2010-10-08, at 4:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
>> Me too, honestly, I've been drinking the apple coolade a
Hi david, Great that we could resolve some of your switching concerns.
Keeping that in mind, If you decide to not switch, follow your own instincts,
You more an any of us know your needs and comfort levels.
On 2010-10-09, at 5:37 AM, David Goodwin wrote:
> Hi Esther,
>
> Thanks for the informat
Hi Esther,
Thanks for the information about Nocturne. It looks like it might
address some of the issues I saw with the Mac's colour inversion
feature. I noticed the very first item they had in a list of feature
requests was the ability to disable inverted screen on videos and/or
images. That
Scott (and others),
there may be some truth to my pushing here. I've been a screen reader user here
for only a short time (less than 3 months). believe me when I say this: I
thought I had a lot longer than I did, but if it hadn't been for the fact that
I jumped on the mac bandwagon a year ago, I
Hi David,
Yes, that is exactly what I had to do. I was running a computer
store/isp, I was finding that the high contrast and magnification was not
cutting it anymore. One day I fired up my jaws and never looked back. I will
admit that I use my remaining vision for anything that I can
I only put the logo on when it fits. Does the android stuff have accessibility
that is comparable?
On 2010-10-08, at 4:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Me too, honestly, I've been drinking the apple coolade a lot myself lately.
> I'm already thinking about another Mac, just got the latest IPod t
Yep i agree with every thing said i have only been a mac user for about a month
and i have to say i am glad i made the switch over. I have found the basics of
the mac a lot easyer than i found windows when i first started learning it in
2001. As i am a quick learner i did not really have a probl
Me too, honestly, I've been drinking the apple coolade a lot myself lately.
I'm already thinking about another Mac, just got the latest IPod touch and now
that the WSJ confirms Foxcomm is manufacturing VZ ready IPhones going with the
IPhone in January. The only thing holding me back is there a
I really enjoyed your message especially when you said all you need was a Apple
Logo on your door!
On 8 Oct 2010, at 19:39, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> Thank you Scott for capturing my thoughts and putting them into words. I'm
> what is commonly referred to as a "high partial" by my friends. (Hope
Thank you Scott for capturing my thoughts and putting them into words. I'm what
is commonly referred to as a "high partial" by my friends. (Hope I spelled that
correctly. It's early and I just woke up.) I use all the tools offered through
Apple products. I use vo when I am proofreading large con
Hello David, Scott, and Others,
David, I'm not in a position to evaluate low vision use of the Mac,
and you're correct, there isn't a way in the existing Universal Access
preferences for adjusting the Display to do more than switch to white-
on-black, use grayscale, or adjust contrast. Tim
I agree with ricardo if david still has useful vission and feels he can still
use it then i think that's a good thing. I do how ever think that if he does go
for a mac then using voice over along with the magnification tools that he
needs might be a good idear. I know my self if i had sight i wo
That was really well put!
I'm just imagining how much of a transition that must have been from
magnification to screen reading. I can relate to having to learn different
screen readers and that's trick enough. I must admit I force myself in these
situations by just diving in and using the pre
Hello David,
I have traveled the same road as you. I still have some vision,
however my vision is in themore advanced stages than you. I must use a
screen reader in order to effectively navigate my computer. I am also an
Adaptive Technology specialist. This thread has been incred
David, don't worry about it, there are radicals in every crowd. Some folks
feel that being blind is like being part of some sort of race and view vision
or people who use vision as inferior. People of the same ilk who would with
hold medical treatment from their children so they would be blind
Thank you, I thought that was me misreading that.
Look at who was doing the pushing though, definitely bothers me when blind
people force their blindness on others who wish to use what's left of their
vision. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi Ricardo and Nic,
Thank you both for your recent posts. I had been considering how best to
respond to some of the comments made elsewhere in this thread, but I
think you guys have just about covered things for me .
All that I am trying to do is determine the combination of tools that
will
Hi Scott! :)
My point is this, and it always has been. I don't exactly think it's fair
discussing how we should help David and pretending we can play doctors, or even
put ourselves in his shoes if we have always been blind. TO quote something you
just said: "...but I would not view most of the
that will have even
better hardware than the curretn model?
Claus
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Oyen"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pondering the switch to a Mac (blind but with residual vision)
Ricardo,
that may be true. I thought I had a deca
Nic,
From what I recall David wanted to know how well the Mac would function in the
case of his particular situation. Most the messages I have read on this thread
answered how some people experienced with screen magnification etc. True some
have made suggestions/comments who really had no exper
I kind of think this thread has provided him information and not jammed
VOiceOVer down his throat. I do not interpret comments here as medical
recommendations or any other such thing. If David is loosing his sight, then
the recommendations made, which are based on user experience make sense. I
Ricardo,
that may be true. I thought I had a decade or more before I was total. How
wrong I was. I had taken the mac plunge last year at the insistence of a good
friend. I have not regretted it. 4 months ago, I was happily using my mac in
screen magnifier m ode. the color inversion thing wasn't
Hi Ricardo,
I agree here. This sounds a lot more like pier pressure as opposed to simply
helping out. While I'm sure David appreciates the help and opinions of everyone
here, I don't think he needs to have a single solution thrust in his face,
especially not if his situation isn't clear to us.
Hi,
I think you guys are kinda losing focus on this one. David didn't ask for
advice on what accessibility tool would work best with his vision. :). We are
not his doctors. For all we know, He might not need the use of a screenreader
for a decade or more. He did stat after all he probably w
With all due respect to you David, (the David considering the Mac), I cannot
agree more with both David and Eric. Best to get the Mac now and just take the
plunge. Sight is a precious thing; but, if yours is going, and you know that,
why acat as if it isn't? Wouldn't it be better, (and frankl
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Hi,
My experience is that, in general, people who still have some sight spend so
much time trying to use that sight that they really struggle to use any other
sense. The beauty of buying a Mac now is that you can freely switch from method
to method of access right away, so you could use the Mac
I wholeheartedly agree.
spare yourself the increased pain of trying to use fading vision and get a mac
with voiceover on it NOW. learn voiceover and you'll be all set to go when
vision finally fails. believe me when I say this: you don't want to be stuck
trying to learn voiceover while dealing w
Hi David, I am trying to switch to the mac so I purchased a macbook pro
but, I still have my windows PC if I need it. I have been finding that I
use my mac more so far. So if you can either now or in the future, obtain
a mac to start using it and than you can use you windows pc, perhaps it
Hello David,
It sounds as though what you need is VisioVoice from AssistiveWare. I can't
speak from personal experience, but my husband helps low-vision Mac users to
set up their computers with VisioVoice and they really love its flexibility. It
should give you the colour combinations that suit
Hi Ray,
At the moment I still have enough residual sight to make using screen
magnification faster and less frustrating than a screen reader. That is
likely to change in the future, but at the rate things are moving right
now, I would guess that will be a few computers further down the road.
To speak frankly, David, let me say this to you.
If you know your vision is going, why cheet yourself out of a Mac now? Why not
just make the jump to Mac right away and start using Voice Over? It seems to
me, (IMHO) that you're consintrating too much on using the little sight you
have left, a
Hi all,
Just back from the local Apple retailer. I had anticipated having a Mac
Mini under my arm at this point, so I am a little surprised (and
probably a little disappointed too) that I have returned home empty-handed.
I had gone to the store to see how the Mac would perform with a
combina
Hi there. I don't use magnification so can't help much there. Regarding the mac
mini, I would say that it's a pretty powerful machine, especially the newest
model. I'm typing this message on one that is about 2 years old, and it still
easily meets my needs. The mini would be a great first mac fo
> Hi David,
You asked:
1. firstly, just how consistent is the white on black colour scheme on the Mac?
• The Mac simply reverses the colours. Therefore black becomes white and vice
versa. All colours in between are also reversed. This is done via the oS and
thus is not app specific. I use
Hi all,
Thanks to those who have already replied to my earlier post. I should
perhaps have mentioned that I am aware of the potential issues of
running a monitor at anything other than its native resolution. However,
the monitor I use has a native resolution of 1600x1200, so it can scale
to m
Hi David!
Welcome to the list!
I've had a look in the system preferences and there is an option to set the
resolution to 800x600 so that's not a problem!
And as far as white on black goes you set it on the Mac itself so as far as I
know whatever you are looking at will be that way unless I've got
Hi there. I don't know if this will help David G. or not, but I checked the
white on black, and what it does, is changes all colors across the board,
meaning in pictures, applications, etc. I found that blues are usually
represented as Tans, as is Graphite if you're using that setting in Appea
switching to the mac will more than likely help you even in the long run.
until 3 months ago, I hd residual vision (screen mag or large print).I have
none now.
I can't speak for the color scheme, but screen magnification is a dream. you
can zoom in/out in a specific app or do the whole screen b
Hi,
Clearly, at some point, you are going to transition to using magnification.
Potentially, further down the line, you may have to then transition once again
to using a screen reader. While this may well be a few computers later, you
would have to invest in both products on the Windows side! Y
Hi all,
I'm a new member here, and like many before me am pondering whether to
make the switch from a PC to a Mac. A browse of the list archives shows
that this is a well-trodden path, but I have a few specific questions
that don't appear to be quite so well-trodden.
Firstly a little backgro
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