Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
Google Groups is a real Pain in the Ass with VO. try reporting harassing content. Its like they deliberately made it difficult to navigate. Some suggestions I have for google groups: 1. a groups list frame, a search frame and a main content frame. Inside the main content frame is a table with se

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Jim Gatteys
Hey Brian! I'm using mavericks and safari. I just search for the word basic. I have the basic page bookmarked so that's how I usually get there but this morning I went to standard page and found the basic link. Jim On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: > Jim are you running Mav

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Teresa Cochran
More and more webpages are using these popup menus to make items appear at the bottom of the page. On many websites, I have gotten into the habit of pressing a menu choice, then using vO-shift-end to go to the bottom of the visible area and VO-left from there to find menu choices. It's not my fa

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread David Chittenden
No, they have always been almost the last options on the page. If I switch my iPhone Safari's view to desktop, I can still find the links with exploration. I haven't tried it lately on my Mac. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Karen Lewellen
let me get it for you and others. Kare On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, eric oyen wrote: no, I am not. Some of their website pages are really difficult to navigate on a mac. Do you have the subscribe address? -eric On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, Are you actually on googles acc

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Jim are you running Mavericks and the latest safari? Assuming you are how are you finding the options to switch between standard and basic? I have used the rotor and links trying several first letters and also have tried just moving around the page to no end but can't seem to find them anymore.

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Eric, Yes, Google has yet again changed their web layout making it even more impossible to use with a screen reader like VO. I can't even find a way to toggle between standard and basic html views anymore. It used to be the first thing or second thing that came up on the page but it is now.

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Good luck finding the settings with VO as my sighted friend couldn't even find them. On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:15 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that > time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3. > > David Chitt

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Fischler
David I didn't delete anything from the all mail folder just from the sent folder and trash, but yet anything I sent to myself like ideas I had, account number etc are all gone. And that is all stuff I had moved to folders/labeled On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:05 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Jim Gatteys
Hi Eric! I'm glad to hear you are having the same trouble with gmail. Actually I should say I'm sorry that you are having the same trouble. It seems like they will never fix this discrepancy between basic and standard emails. I've seriously thought about switching emails but have been with gmai

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Jim Gatteys
I seem to remember there being an "empty trash" option in gmail when you are on the web site which will clear the trash folder. I also thought that when I did shift-command-delete from apple mail that it emptied the trash--while using iMap. Maybe wrong about that. Jim On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:16

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, One other thing to note regarding Gmail and copies of messages. Remember that when using Gmail, there are not actually multiple copies of the message, there is only one copy of the message with various labels or flags attached. Archived messages just have an Archived flag, Sent messages j

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Jim Gatteys
Brian! I seem to remember that you said you don't have basic and standard gmail options. When I use my gmail bookmark in safari I still see basic and standard html, and can change between them. Just thought you might want to know as there might be a way for you to still do this. Jim On Feb 14

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, To get to the Gmail Settings page, do the following: * Go to your Gmail Home page. * Press shift-tab enough times that it kind of goes around backwards through your Toolbar and around to the bottom of your page. * When VO announces the Settings button, press the return key. * Press the down

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread isaac
Yes the pages are hard to navigate on the mac. On Feb 14, 2014, at 8:01 AM, eric oyen wrote: > no, I am not. Some of their website pages are really difficult to navigate on > a mac. > > Do you have the subscribe address? > > -eric > > On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> H

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
no, I am not. Some of their website pages are really difficult to navigate on a mac. Do you have the subscribe address? -eric On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > Are you actually on googles accessibility list? > I am sure those on the list would appreciate knowing about

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
I think so, but I was unable to find it in basic html mode. -eric On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Chris H wrote: > I found a combo box and at my end it's set to delete gmail's copy. Does this > sound familiar? > > Regards Chris > > On 14/02/2014 11:15, David Chittenden wrote: >> It has been a co

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Karen Lewellen
No idea if this will help but sharing anyway. you can go directly to the basic html page, at least you can when bookmarked using a lower graphics browser. try this link. mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html works for me, but I am not using a mac so. Kare On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, Cheryl Homiak wrote: Wel

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread isaac
What setting are you looking for. On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Chris H wrote: > I found a combo box and at my end it's set to delete gmail's copy. Does this > sound familiar? > > Regards Chris > > On 14/02/2014 11:15, David Chittenden wrote: >> It has been a couple years since I found and chan

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Well, please explain how you changed yhour settings though if it has been a couple of years that may not be helpful. I used to be able to go to the website and get into settings with no problem. Now I am totally unable to do this and I've literally spent hours trying! -- Cheryl I tried and tr

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi, Are you actually on googles accessibility list? I am sure those on the list would appreciate knowing about the problem. Karen On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, eric oyen wrote: in Basic html, it isn't there. I can't even get there in standard mode (too many secondary navigation areas and then being kic

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread David Chittenden
At the time I changed it, it was a checkbox which said something like, permanently archive deleted messages, or archive copy of deleted messages, or something similar. Like I said previously, it is Gmail's default setting. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Chris H
I found a combo box and at my end it's set to delete gmail's copy. Does this sound familiar? Regards Chris On 14/02/2014 11:15, David Chittenden wrote: It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3. Davi

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
in Basic html, it isn't there. I can't even get there in standard mode (too many secondary navigation areas and then being kicked back to the top). Even the web item rotor for OS X (voiceover) doesn't function correctly in standard html mode. I have to try in Item chooser and then voiceover cras

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread David Chittenden
It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Feb 2014, at 23:49, eric oyen wrote: > > unfort

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
unfortunately, the standard view gets very confusing on Safari in OS X. Also, I can't seem to get into settings from there and a lot of the features available in standard view are simply not visible in basic html mode. I have sent emails to googles support team until I am blue in the face and th

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Chris H
David and all I cannot find this setting. Do I need to be using the standard view to see this setting? Regards Chris On 14/02/2014 10:04, David Chittenden wrote: You need to go into Gmail preferences on the Gmail website and change the archive permanently deleted items to unselected. The defa

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread David Chittenden
Actually, it was deleting any message from all-male removes it from everywhere, including sent mail. Therefore, the messages you deleted from your all mail folder that had copies in the sent mail folder were also deleted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread David Chittenden
You need to go into Gmail preferences on the Gmail website and change the archive permanently deleted items to unselected. The default is for this to be selected. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Feb 2014, at 21:16, er

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Eric I hope that you are right, as I would love for all the messages I deleted to reappear. All of this happened because of all the issues I was having with gmail and the all mail folder having so much crap in it that I delete but having a sighted person help me permanently delete things on

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-14 Thread eric oyen
hmmm. Every time I have tried to permanently delete something from GMAIL, it always comes back (my trash folder has well over 10,000 entries in it right now). I use imap here with mail.app so that my emails that I want aren't stored locally. How do you get gmail to permanently delete something

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-13 Thread Brian Fischler
No unfortunately I permanently deleted them from the gmail. They should be in all mail but are gone. I didn't delete anything from all mail just permanently deleted my sent and trash folders. Praying that a Time Machine restore might still have them, as they should but can't figure out time mach

Re: Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-13 Thread eric oyen
they are probably either still in all mail or over in trash. they can be moved from folder to folder pretty easily. So long as it hasn't been 30 days since you last deleted anything, they should still be there. -eric On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: > Oh God, I think I just

Oh No I HATE Gmail

2014-02-13 Thread Brian Fischler
Oh God, I think I just realized why my messages are missing in the folders where I had everything labeled/archived. I deleted permanently in gmail all my sent messages as there was 10,000 and I am always emailing myself stuff and then apply a label and put the email in the proper folder. Phone n