Good luck finding the settings with VO as my sighted friend couldn't even find 
them.
On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:15 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that 
> time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3. 
> 
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>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 23:49, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> unfortunately,
>> the standard view gets very confusing on Safari in OS X. Also, I can't seem 
>> to get into settings from there and a lot of the features available in 
>> standard view are simply not visible in basic html mode. I have sent emails 
>> to googles support team until I am blue in the face and the problem still 
>> has not been fixed. what do I have to do? Sue these guys just to get their 
>> attention? Unlike a lot of others in the US., I am not one to file a suit at 
>> the drop of a hat (its far too much work and stress for any beneficial 
>> payoff).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Chris H wrote:
>>> 
>>> David and all I cannot find this setting. Do I need to be using the 
>>> standard view to see this setting?
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
>>>> On 14/02/2014 10:04, David Chittenden wrote:
>>>> You need to go into Gmail preferences on the Gmail website and change the 
>>>> archive permanently deleted items to unselected. The default is for this 
>>>> to be selected.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 21:16, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> hmmm. Every time I have tried to permanently delete something from GMAIL, 
>>>>> it always comes back (my trash folder has well over 10,000 entries in it 
>>>>> right now). I use imap here with mail.app so that my emails that I want 
>>>>> aren't stored locally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you get gmail to permanently delete something and actually not 
>>>>> have it remain stored in all mail )or anywhere else) without having to 
>>>>> use the web interface?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -eric
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No unfortunately I permanently deleted them from the gmail. They should 
>>>>>> be in all mail but are gone. I didn't delete anything from all mail just 
>>>>>> permanently deleted my sent and trash folders. Praying that a Time 
>>>>>> Machine restore might still have them, as they should but can't figure 
>>>>>> out time machine.
>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:05 AM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> they are probably either still in all mail or over in trash. they can 
>>>>>>> be moved from folder to folder pretty easily. So long as it hasn't been 
>>>>>>> 30 days since you last deleted anything, they should still be there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh God, I think I just realized why my messages are missing in the 
>>>>>>>> folders where I had everything labeled/archived. I deleted permanently 
>>>>>>>> in gmail all my sent messages as there was 10,000 and I am always 
>>>>>>>> emailing myself stuff and then apply a label and put the email in the 
>>>>>>>> proper folder. Phone numbers account log ins. Am I assuming correctly 
>>>>>>>> that the deleting of the sent mail folder also overrode the label and 
>>>>>>>> folder I had moved the message in to? If this is the case I am totally 
>>>>>>>> screwed as I had a ton of stuff saved. If this is the case then this 
>>>>>>>> gmail problem with Mavericks totally screwed me. Not sure why an email 
>>>>>>>> that I moved to folder a placed a label on it would only be in the 
>>>>>>>> sent mail folder, you would think placing a label on it or archiving 
>>>>>>>> it to a folder in gmail whatever they want to call it would take it 
>>>>>>>> out of the sent mail folder. Can someone let me know if I totally 
>>>>>>>> screwed myself by deleting the thousands of messages in the sent mail 
>>>>>>>> folder. I hope I am wrong,
>>> but considering I checked the gmail app on the iPhone and the messages I 
>>> labeled and archived are gone from there to, I think I screwed myself.
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