Re: load of rubbish!

2009-09-25 Thread william lomas
Yup I do apologize, forgive me, I didn't know that non UK people could hear it, how cool, :) On 25 Sep 2009, at 23:20, Justin Harford wrote: > > Wow just listened. > > Well I would have to say that apple made a mistake. They designed > their phone for competent blind people. > > Regards > Jus

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread May McDonald
I actually learned better when I listened to the podcast before I got my IPhone. Then when I actually decided to get one I already knew how to do some thigns. It does make it a little easier to learn the Iphone if you have a little knowledge before. On 25-Sep-09, at 11:05 PM, Victor Tsaran

Re: How to go to a new website in Safari

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
cmd+l takes you to the address bar. On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > Guys, > AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but > wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open > Safari and want to go to a new website using a link

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Victor Tsaran
I really would suggest reading manual. I totally understand your frustration, I went through it myself, but not after I read the manual. Vic On 9/25/2009 5:05 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: > Dear May, > it's just a mechanical matter. How can you know which key you press > before you pressed it

How to go to a new website in Safari

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new

FW: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
I guess I was misaken, JPR. Read this from Alex. -Original Message- From: Alex Jurgensen [mailto:asquare...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:35 PM To: Kevin Gibbs Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Hi, Kevin: You can use any old iTunes. It won't ask you to sync, or do

RE: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
Yes, but you'd have to turn it on using the iTunes acount to which the iPhone is conected. So, you'd have to use the iPhone owner's computer and iTunes acount, not JPR's. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare

RE: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
The new iPhone 3GS comes with VO. That's some of what's so cool about it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subj

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread kaare dehard
or you can hook it up and turn it on in itunes I believe. On 2009-09-25, at 7:27 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I > think. > K. > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.

Re: extracting audio from a dvd?

2009-09-25 Thread erik burggraaf
Thanks, I think max will work just fine for converting to flac. Probably will give mac the ripper a try this weekend. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2009-09-25, at 4:40 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: >

Re: 3GP Converter

2009-09-25 Thread Greg Kearney
The issue is not the file format but the codac used for the audio which is not to be found on the Mac. This issue of an odd file format and codac and the tiny low volume speakers are really the only things which mar an otherwise fine product. I am hopeful that HumanWare will address the reco

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread ben mustill-rose
I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in

RE: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subj

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday,

Re: load of rubbish!

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
Wow just listened. Well I would have to say that apple made a mistake. They designed their phone for competent blind people. Regards Justin Harford On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > For those curious, the audio can be found here: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mr52

Re: typing accented characters.

2009-09-25 Thread Donal Fitzpatrick
Esther you just got in ahead of me, though I must confess your mail was infinitely clearer than mine would have been. Thanks very much for the spotlight tip I'd missed that one. While using control-space isn't inconvenient, I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding an unwillingness to ch

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
Uh yeah. On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: > Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come > with V O as well? > JPR > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > - Original Message - > From: Chris Blouch > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previou

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by N

Re: load of rubbish!

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
For those curious, the audio can be found here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mr52m I was able to listen here in the states just fine. CB william lomas wrote: > hi for those who can listen to the In Touch listen again from last > night, on bbc radio 4 > they are saying the IPHon

Re: Voiceover crashing when Using google search

2009-09-25 Thread Simon Cavendish
Justin, I have my vo settings so that I do not interact with various things automatically. Best, Simon On 25 Sep 2009, at 05:58, Justin Harford wrote: > > This is curious. I just googled iPhone, so I pressed cmd+option+f to > jump to the search box in the tool bar, typed "yphone" pressed retur

Re: web browsing

2009-09-25 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Chris, I think I'm going to try playing around with both. I'm getting more comfortable with the web stuff, but I have a couple of sites that have been giving me fits. So I think I'll try Anna's sughgestion of playing around with dom and group mode, and see if that helps at all. Take c

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being

Re: extracting audio from a dvd?

2009-09-25 Thread Darcy Burnard
Hi Eric. There is an option in Mac the Ripper to rip just the audio. However you can only do it one title at a time. When you select the title you want, the window then has a demux button. Pressing that will give you a list of all the video and audio streams in that particular title.

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread william lomas
they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscrib

Re: Two small mail and VO questions

2009-09-25 Thread Stan
Hi Esther and Anna, I have taken a long time before I replied, as I have been trying and trying to get this to work. I now have it working, and yes I should have said, I am using "tiger". The "VO H H" has no sort option, and yes "VO Shift backslash" does not work for me. I found that I first h

Re: VO and screenwriting software

2009-09-25 Thread James & Nash
Hi, Just to add to Justin's post, while you'll have a bit of a learning curve as Justin has pointed out, you can use Latex to format pretty much how you like. Latex' power lies in itn its ability to format, deal with and separate content and structure. Once you've got your Screen play con

Re: web browsing

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Hofstader
Hi Donna, I think "Groups" mode is a more efficient way to navigate web pages but, often, "Dom" is simpler. Coming over from Windows and JAWS, though, one needs to take time to learn and practice with Groups mode but I think the time is well worth it. cdh On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Donn

Re: iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
Sweet. On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > I didn't notice this mentioned on the list previously. I was one of > the > speakers at the NFB Web Accessibility Day in Baltimore MD on Tuesday > and > during the lunch Marc Maurer, President of the NFB, gave out some > awards >

Re: Getting Stuck in Submenus with VO. Does this happen to you?

2009-09-25 Thread Pete Nalda
On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > When I upgraded to version 10.6.1 a couple of weeks ago, the problem > of getting lost in menus went away. I have the VO cursor set to follow > the mouse, and I'm having no problems in menus. I did have the p

Re: VO and screenwriting software

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
Probably better go out and google. If you end up finding that all the graphical apps don't work well however, you might consider the screenplay package class for LaTeX. You might experience a bit of a learning curve at the beginning, but it might be worth it. I looked at the manual scre

RE: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
May, I meant tap on the screen with another finger while keeping your finding finger in place. Saw an amazing video done by the accessibility team on VO on Mac. Amazing the way these people think. Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar

Re: typing accented characters.

2009-09-25 Thread Esther
Hi Dónal, Well, in your case the easiest way to type "o acute" would probably be to switch to an Irish keyboard and press Option+O, which would save you one extra keystroke. You can select this under the "International" menu of "System Preferences" by going to the "Input Menu" tab, inter

Re: web browsing

2009-09-25 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Anna, No, I haven't. I have been using groups mode, because people were saying it made for easier navigation. I'll give DOM mode a try and see if it improves things at all. Thanks for the suggestion. Best, Donna On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Donna, > > H

Re: web browsing

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi Donna, Have you tried DOM as well as Group mode? IN situations where one doesn't read something correctly, sometimes the other does. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries"

iPhone honored by NFB

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
I didn't notice this mentioned on the list previously. I was one of the speakers at the NFB Web Accessibility Day in Baltimore MD on Tuesday and during the lunch Marc Maurer, President of the NFB, gave out some awards to companies they felt were leaders in the accessibility space. In particula

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread May McDonald
No, that's not exactly it. You have to tap the screen with another finger for split tapping. If you tap with the same finger once you find the icon you want it doesn't do anything except a single tap or you run the risk of not landing in the same place. On 25-Sep-09, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Gibb

web browsing

2009-09-25 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all, This is still the thing I struggle most with on the Mac. Here's my question. When navigating a webpage, I have no problem seeing all the links. But I often don't seem to see other text on the page that is not associated with a link label. Anyone know of a way to see this other

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
Just to clarify, any button or interactive item can be discovered/read on the screen either by touching it or by navigating to it. Because actioning the item takes either a double tap or the aforementioned split-tap you can touch all over the place to explore and only do the action gesture once

pairing macbook pro with alva BC640?

2009-09-25 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all, Has anyone done this? I just tried to pair them. It says that they are paired, but I'm not getting any braille. TIA, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post

VO and screenwriting software

2009-09-25 Thread Israel
Hi Everyone! I am wondering does anyone use a screenwriting software with VO? Which software is accessible? All the playwrights and screenwriters I know insist on Final Draft or Movie Magic- the top two Hollywood standards. After much research, I bought Final Draft 7.13 and it worked fin

Re: All I Need Is One More Break with Handbreak

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
I thought Windows didn't support MPEG4 format. Or at least you had to install something else like QuickTime for Windows to work with MPEG4. CB M. Taylor wrote: > Hello Mac Hand Break Users, > > As this may be a bit off-topic, if you know the solution to my question, > please send a reply off-li

RE: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Kevin Gibbs
JPR, to further clarify, if VO is on, you move around the screen until you get what you want and then, while still keeping your finger in place, tap once anywhere on the screen to actually type the character. That's what split tap means. You don't find the key and press twice. You find the k

typing accented characters.

2009-09-25 Thread Donal Fitzpatrick
Hi there, Just wondering if there is an easier way to type accented characters than the method I'm presently using. Let's assume I want to insert the letter "o acute" into a document. The way I'm presently doing this is to press "option-e" followed by "o". Is there a way to do this in

Re: copying a CD

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Thanks, Erik. On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:57 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi > > I didn't have any trouble finding it on google, but here's what it > says in the about dialog anyway. It should help. > Macintosh Audio for OS X > > http://sbooth.org/Max/ > > Distributed under the terms of the GPL. >

Re: 3GP Converter

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
I didn't notice a reply to your email. Isn't 3gp a variant of mpeg4 audio? If so it shouldn't be a big deal to load or convert. I don't use this format so I can't test it out. Do you know of a public site where I might download a 3gp file to try things with? CB claire amoroso wrote: > HI every

Re: copying a CD

2009-09-25 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi I didn't have any trouble finding it on google, but here's what it says in the about dialog anyway. It should help. Macintosh Audio for OS X http://sbooth.org/Max/ Distributed under the terms of the GPL. Send feedback to m...@sbooth.org Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and us

notes in mail

2009-09-25 Thread Justin Harford
Has anyone noticed that you can't read notes anymore in mail? Or has someone figured out how to do it? Justin Harford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group,

Open Office 3.1.1

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Blouch
Somehow I missed this. There was a point rev to Open Office released August 31. Has anyone downloaded it? Did it make any improvements? CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To

Re: copying a CD

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
HI Erik, Could you give me a URL or a more specific name for Max? I can't find anything useful when I search for it on Google. Thanks, Anna On Sep 25, 2009, at 9:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hum, you could do it with itune if you can abide the thing. > Personally, I couldn't get it to

Dragging things such as apps onto icons? Is it possible with VO or not?

2009-09-25 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Hey all, looking at an app called App delete from http://www.reggieashworth.com for deleteing files that are associated with apps, such as preference files and other files that might be hanging around, and it says to drag appps that you want to totally delete onto the app delete icon. I'm a

Re: previews?

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
HI Jessi, I'm not sure I would have thought of using the item chooser to look for specific buttons if it hadn't been for Mike Arrigo's podcasts. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVis

extracting audio from a dvd?

2009-09-25 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi guys for some reason I thought that mac the ripper would extract just the audio from a dvd, but not from the description I'm reading. This seems to be a full dvd extracter. Useful, but not what I'm looking for just at the moment. Did I get this program confused with another one? Tha

Re: previews?

2009-09-25 Thread Jessi and Goldina
hey Anna, thanks for that item chooser trick, that's a good one!! I've never really thought to use the item chooser in anything other than safari and text edit!! that's a good way to find all the preview or buy buttons!! On 2009-09-25, at 7:26 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi William, >

Re: previews?

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi William, With the latest version of itunes that came out this week, every track has a Preview button. Clicking this button with VO-Space plays the preview. It works really well on my system. What I do is search for Preview in the Item Chooser. Then all the tracks are listed, and I can

Re: previews?

2009-09-25 Thread Jessi and Goldina
yes you can, at least for me, there's now a preview button beside the song...press enter or space or VO space or whatever you want on it and it'll play the preview On 2009-09-25, at 12:30 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi i can no longer it seems, preview songs in ITunes store >

Re: copying a CD

2009-09-25 Thread erik burggraaf
Hum, you could do it with itune if you can abide the thing. Personally, I couldn't get it to retain my encoder settings once I'd set them up, and so I switched to max. Max has served me extremely well. It supports a lot more formats than Itunes does, and it can intergrate with your itunes

Re: Getting Stuck in Submenus with VO. Does this happen to you?

2009-09-25 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi Pete, When I upgraded to version 10.6.1 a couple of weeks ago, the problem of getting lost in menus went away. I have the VO cursor set to follow the mouse, and I'm having no problems in menus. I did have the problem before updating. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~

disk utility question

2009-09-25 Thread Donal Fitzpatrick
Hi there, Ok I have two disks one of about 450 gig, the other 50. I want to: 1. remove the partition containing 50 gig 2. add this space to the larger disk. Can someone advise as to the best way to do this? Cheers Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received thi

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Martin Pilkington
Hi Jean, Enabling VoiceOver changes the interaction model. A single tap selects whatever is under your finger, you can then double tap anywhere on the screen to invoke the action on the item. Scrolling isn't smooth, but instead moves around by pages, using 3 finger swipe to move around. F

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread May McDonald
Anytime you run your finger across the screen it talks. So when typing messages, yes voice over talks when you come to a letter. Once you have the letter you want, either double tap it or split tap, which means have your finger on the letter you want and tap the screen with another finger.

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Dear May, let me be a little more specific. When you have a physical keyboard, as soon as you type a character voice-over speaks and the character is typed as well. If you have a touchscreen and you want to type with it, does voice-over speak to you before the character is typed ? Or do you have

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread May McDonald
Like I said, voice over works great. You slide your finger across the screen and voice over tells you what's there. Once you get use to where things are then you can just go automatically to where that item is and either double tap it or split tap and it opens. On 25-Sep-09, at 5:05 AM, Je

Re: Getting Stuck in Submenus with VO. Does this happen to you?

2009-09-25 Thread Pete Nalda
Ok I'll try and turn not let mouse cursor follow VO. I only liked it this way because I also use zoom and it makes zoom follow VO. On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:03 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > Hi Pete, this is a bug, where if you have your Mouse cursor set to > follow your VO cursor, this will happen

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Dear May, it's just a mechanical matter. How can you know which key you press before you pressed it? Actually, you don't press anything you just touch something, but as soon as you touch it the number or function assigned to the virtual key is performed. With a mechanical keyboard you can move y

Re: touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread May McDonald
What is it you really want to know or what can't you figure out? I have an IPhone 3gs and love it. The voice over works great and not hard to use once you get use to the touch screen and where everything is located. Would be glad to help if I can. On 25-Sep-09, at 1:30 AM, Jean-Philippe Ryk

Re: Getting Stuck in Submenus with VO. Does this happen to you?

2009-09-25 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Hi Pete, this is a bug, where if you have your Mouse cursor set to follow your VO cursor, this will happen. If you set it to ignore your voiceover cursor, that'll be a workaround. You do this in the navigation section of VO utility. HTH. On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: > >

Getting Stuck in Submenus with VO. Does this happen to you?

2009-09-25 Thread Pete Nalda
Hi all, sometimes when trying to navigate a menu I'll get stuck in the submenu. This happened to me yesterday in the apple menu, getting stuck in first recent items then in the messages menu here in mail in the mark as submenu. I hit escape but then loose the whole menu and then had to s

touch screens?

2009-09-25 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Hi to all Iphone andIpod touch users. Could you explain to a newbie how you deal with touch screens, I just cant figure it out. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl