Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > maybe time to buy a new laptop? Oh yes. Please :-) Jürgen

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
Jürgen wrote: > Leuven, E. wrote: >> i understand that backward output compatibility was convenient, but you >> must admit that these are not typical use cases > > What is "typical"? These cases are much more typical for me than the case > outline by you. So it just depends on the user's context.

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > i understand that backward output compatibility was convenient, but you > must admit that these are not typical use cases What is "typical"? These cases are much more typical for me than the case outline by you. So it just depends on the user's context. > (also, in both situ

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
Jürgen wrote: > Just two scenarios which I more or less found myself into in the past: > > 1. LyX 1.5 has a bug > 2. my laptop refuses to work i understand that backward output compatibility was convenient, but you must admit that these are not typical use cases (also, in both situations (last

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > ...i would expect this to be pretty rare, so would rather suggest a --spitz > switch ;-) --ed ist shorter ;-) > more seriously, when would one need backward output compatibility? > > i can think of a scenario when working with a co-author who doesn't have > the latest lyx inst

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > If it's just a mode (i.e. a --edwin switch), it's o.k. i would be honored of course, but... > However, I think I'm not the only user who relies on backwards output > compatibility. ...i would expect this to be pretty rare, so would rather suggest a --spitz switch ;-)

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If it's just a mode (i.e. a --edwin switch), it's o.k. However, I think I'm > not the only user who relies on backwards output compatibility. The problem of course is that it means double work... JMarc

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Before you ask, I do not have precise examples right now. But I have ;-) > It is just > an impression. There were talks with tex2lyx about having a relaxed > mode just for that. If it's just a mode (i.e. a --edwin switch), it's o.k. However, I think I'm not the o

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> I also think that the heavy use of ERT in reversion is going too >> far. > > Why? I am not sure we manage to preserve exact page breaks anyway. So we try hard to preserve form, at the cost of loosing semantics. Befor

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I also think that the heavy use of ERT in > reversion is going too far. Why? > What about this alternate idea: add a note in the text explaining > what got removed. Of course, this raises the problem of > localization... This will trigger great fun with something li

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > > So you want to remove every new feature on reversion? That's the > > consequence of "revert to what is _natively_ supported" (your > > interpretation, if I'm not mistaken). > > yes OK. Then we remove natbib citations and replace them with numerical for v. 1.1, because we do

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: so if people think that we should litter the reverted document with ert just because we can, so be it. but at more conceptual level i think that this is a perverse result of the possibility of ert. I do not know what

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Leuven, E. wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Leuven, E. wrote: as i wrote: revert to what is supported i think that this is a clear and very standard policy So you want to remove every new feature on reversion? That's the consequence of "revert to what is _natively_ supported" (

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"Leuven, E." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > so if people think that we should litter the reverted document with > ert just because we can, so be it. but at more conceptual level i > think that this is a perverse result of the possibility of ert. I do not know what you are talking about, and theref

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Pavel Sanda
Leuven, E. wrote: > i think that this is a clear and very standard policy note for example that this is not the case of pdfoptions now. we are converting our info into preamble of older .lyx files. pavel

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Leuven, E. wrote: >> as i wrote: revert to what is supported >> >> i think that this is a clear and very standard policy > > So you want to remove every new feature on reversion? That's the consequence > of "revert to what is _natively_ supported" (your interpretation,

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > as i wrote: revert to what is supported > > i think that this is a clear and very standard policy So you want to remove every new feature on reversion? That's the consequence of "revert to what is _natively_ supported" (your interpretation, if I'm not mistaken). If you read

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
> Also, if we go that route, where do you draw the line? as i wrote: revert to what is supported i think that this is a clear and very standard policy ... this being said, i don't care too much about this reversion stuff myself

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > a case can be made though for reversion to the subset that is supported by > lyx > > (for those wanting non-lossy reversion there is always export->latex) I think we should conform to a coherent policy. And our policy for lyx2lyx reversion used to be what I outlined. For good

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
>> i realize that this leads to dataloss, but in this case i definitely prefer >> dataloss and tables i can edit in lyx to big blurs of ert and no >> dataloss... > > well. I understand. But our goal with revertion to old formats is not as much > comfortable UI but identical output (as much as poss

Re: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > i realize that this leads to dataloss, but in this case i definitely prefer > dataloss and tables i can edit in lyx to big blurs of ert and no > dataloss... well. I understand. But our goal with revertion to old formats is not as much comfortable UI but identical output (as mu

RE: tabular width

2008-05-20 Thread Leuven, E.
Jürgen wrote: >>Leuven, E. wrote: >> do we want this for 1.6 or should i wait? > > This is a most welcome feature, but IMHO it's too late for 1.6. sure > Some minor comments: > > * the lyx2lyx reversion leads to dataloss. Instead of just removing the > options, you'll have to revert those tabul

RE: tabular width

2008-05-19 Thread Leuven, E.
ping -Original Message- From: Leuven, E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 5/16/08 13:43 To: lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org Subject: tabular width i've added setting the tabular width through the ui in the attached (also see screenshot) the patch is straightforward: add '

Re: tabular width

2008-05-19 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Leuven, E. wrote: > do we want this for 1.6 or should i wait? This is a most welcome feature, but IMHO it's too late for 1.6. > comments on the patch welcome of course Some minor comments: * the lyx2lyx reversion leads to dataloss. Instead of just removing the options, you'll have to revert th