Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Angus Leeming wrote: Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Did you read what I wrote Lars? Is it my English that is so bad that | you cannot understand it? And reiterations cannot be tolerated? LOL! Gentlemen, you're a blind date tha

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Did you read what I wrote Lars? Is it my English that is so bad that > | you cannot understand it? > And reiterations cannot be tolerated? LOL! Gentlemen, you're a blind date that has got off on th

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Did you read what I wrote Lars? Is it my English that is so bad that | you cannot understand it? And reiterations cannot be tolerated? | > And... it is better to send a patch (a patch with one part of a | > cleanup, one logical change etc.) for rev

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Angus, that seems like a perfect plan to me. I am going to follow this | very logic from now on. But if you continue to commit pathces that does several things at once, you have to prepare for battle. (This is part of th

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Angus, that seems like a perfect plan to me. I am going to follow this | very logic from now on. But if you continue to commit pathces that does several things at once, you have to prepare for battle. (This is part of the responsibility part of the

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Angus Leeming wrote: Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It's much better to make 10 commits during 3 hours. Then each diff is manageable in a review, and it is technically easier to revert. Lars has a point that it can improve your workflow when you need to think small, self-cont

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-05 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 12:01:30PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: | > Now that Lars has installed Trac, commit mails sent out automatically | > by lyx-cvs all have hyperlinks to the changes. | | Which is, on a side-note, useless for people that are not con

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 12:01:30PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: > Now that Lars has installed Trac, commit mails sent out automatically > by lyx-cvs all have hyperlinks to the changes. Which is, on a side-note, useless for people that are not connected to the net most of the time (i.e. 'me'). Coul

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:03:09PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > | I am a scientific who happens to like C++ development (and who think > | he is quite good at it ;-)). I am not a professional in the software > | business and don't to be. I guess most LyX developers are the same as > | me, ar

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 02:36:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> (But if you then also add -> "and change emit to emitSignal" then > >> that is not the case anymore.) > > Abdelrazak> If you really think what you are

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
On 7/4/06, John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:39:32PM +0200, Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > John Levon wrote: > > No review is done > > This is better than code does not get committed, given that the > developer is competent. There really is no developer I've ever m

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's much better to make 10 commits during 3 hours. Then each diff is > manageable in a review, and it is technically easier to revert. > > Lars has a point that it can improve your workflow when you need to > think small, self-contained steps. B

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | I propose that LyX adopts a direct-commit policy for developers who | have demonstrated that they know the rules AND are competent, AND can | commit time to work on LyX. Knowing the rules are not enough. You must at least try to follow them as wel

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:39:32PM +0200, Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > John Levon wrote: > > No review is done > > This is better than code does not get committed, given that the > developer is competent. There really is no developer I've ever met who doesn't need review, and I work with some v

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
John Levon wrote: > No review is done This is better than code does not get committed, given that the developer is competent. > > 3) Commit early and often. But as I understand it, this is the bone of contention anyway. If they need to do this, it is not a huge burden to get patch review, su

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 10:45:11AM +0200, Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > The main risks are: > > - There will be a known problem which the developer does not have time > to fix until a week or two later. Then something happens, and it never > gets done This is still a risk even with review. Revi

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-04 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
I propose that LyX adopts a direct-commit policy for developers who have demonstrated that they know the rules AND are competent, AND can commit time to work on LyX. Each commit results in a diff sent to the list for post-festum review mainly as a sanity check and such that Lars and others can

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Michael Gerz
Jose' Matos wrote: For those who don't know Lars in this list, Lars is a very reasonable person with a clear set of principles. The problem is that email is not the best channel to transmit this. There is always loss of information in the transmission. :-( A couple of years ago, I used a c

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Stephen Harris
Hello, I'm writing to you from the perspective of a LyX user. This notion of a meritocracy jeopardizes LyX development. The fact of the matter is that not all of the developers are equal in ability. The project needs a director to set a common denominator standard. Most can't know as much about

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 July 2006 14:03, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > But when I say something you take everything as gospel? Actually it is easy for someone who does not know you personally. For those who don't know Lars in this list, Lars is a very reasonable person with a clear set of principles. Th

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lets not turn lyx management into a bureaucrazy where rules must be | followed mostly for their own sake. You have good arguments | for "one patch - one feature" in general, but please check | that they really apply to _this_ particular case before reje

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > | - With patch oriented review style, it is easier to review a patch | > | that does only one thing. We are talking here about deep review, here, | > | not only code sanity review. | > I look at almost all patches, sure what I most often point at i

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> (But if you then also add -> "and change emit to emitSignal" then >> that is not the case anymore.) Abdelrazak> If you really think what you are saying here then you Abdelrazak> should have said it before. For me this "emit" p

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Helge Hafting
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 12:46:07PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Lars, all, > | > | I would like to propose a way forward for new development. Just jump > | to the conclusion if this mail seems too long to read :-) > | [...] > | - The SVN

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars, all, | | I would like to propose a way forward for new development. Just jump | to the conclusion if this mail seems too long to read :-) | | Basically, I would like the decision process to be smoothed and based

Re: LyX development, the way forward (IMHO)

2006-07-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars, all, | | I would like to propose a way forward for new development. Just jump | to the conclusion if this mail seems too long to read :-) | | Basically, I would like the decision process to be smoothed and based | on merit. There are some adv